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Kupo said:
I was hoping Seider would be available around 20 but he’s really been rising the last few weeks.

Shame. I think he’s exactly the kind of RHD our prospect pool needs.
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He might just be rising in the court of public opinion, teams have been doing their homework on these guys for a long time
 
Kupo said:
He’s a top-10 talent in the draft and the scouts following him have been doing so for years and realize he’s going to be a quality player.

Most of these kids are years away from being NHL ready So I don’t see it impacting his draft position by more than a couple of spots, If any.
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I know he is young and like you said he's not NHL ready next year anyway it is quite possible the repaired tendon could create issues like strength/ function of the gastroc-soleus complex (as well as Ankle plantar flexion/Dorsiflexion range of motion). Now at 20 I wouldn't pass over him but if lets say a team picking top 10 maybe I would have second thoughts.
 
Kupo said:
I was hoping Seider would be available around 20 but he’s really been rising the last few weeks.

Shame. I think he’s exactly the kind of RHD our prospect pool needs.
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I know figures so many impressive LHD...wish there were a few more RHD with Seider's size and abilities.
 
1. NJ: Jack Hughes
2.NYR: Kaapo Kakko
3. CHI: Alex Turcotte
4. COL: Bowen Byram
5. LA: Dylan Cozens
6. DET: Trevor Zegras
7. BUF: Cole Caufield
8. EDM: Philip Broberg
9. ANA: Kirby Dach
10. VAN: Spencer Knight
11. PHI: Matthew Boldy
12. MIN: Victor Soderstrom
13. FLA: Moritz Seider
14. ARI: Alex Newhook
15. MON: Vasily Podkolzin
16. COL: Peyton Krebs
17. VGK: Ville Heinola
18. DAL: Raphael Lavoie
19. OTT: Bobby Brink
20: NYR: Cam York
21. PIT: Arthur Kaliyev
22. LA: Matthew Robertson
23. NYI: Thomas Harley
24. NSH: Tobias Bjornfoot
25. WSH: Vlad Kolyachonok
26. CGY: Samuel Poulin
27. TB: Nils Hoglander
28: CAR: Lassi Thomson
29. ANA: Kaeden Korczak
30. BOS: Philip Tomasino
31. BUF: Ryan Suzuki

I sleep like a baby as a Rangers fan in two weeks if they come away with Kakko and York in the first round.
 
GeorgeKaplan said:
He might just be rising in the court of public opinion, teams have been doing their homework on these guys for a long time
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Ehhh, look a year back. A lot of people didn’t know who he even was. Even scouts.

At the start of the year he was on peoples radar. Late 1st. Early 2nd.

Now? He could easily go top 8-12 and it wouldn’t shock anyone.

bl02 said:
I know he is young and like you said he's not NHL ready next year anyway it is quite possible the repaired tendon could create issues like strength/ function of the gastroc-soleus complex (as well as Ankle plantar flexion/Dorsiflexion range of motion). Now at 20 I wouldn't pass over him but if lets say a team picking top 10 maybe I would have second thoughts.
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It’s ultimately a bad thing instead of a good thing, and all these things factor in when GM’s are making decisions on draft day so it wouldn’t surprise me much if he dropped a few positions.

I don’t see him slipping much though.

bl02 said:
I know figures so many impressive LHD...wish there were a few more RHD with Seider's size and abilities.
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This may sound stupid but I see him as a poor man’s Hedman if he reaches his ceiling. He’s a tough kid. He has size and he uses it. I love the snarl in his game.

But he’s not a Blackhole offensively either. He’s a modern day dmen that’s physically gifted. He has those two way instincts.

I know a lot of people would disagree, by the only dman I would take over him this draft Is Byram.
 
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I Eat Crow said:
1. NJ: Jack Hughes
2.NYR: Kaapo Kakko
3. CHI: Alex Turcotte
4. COL: Bowen Byram
5. LA: Dylan Cozens
6. DET: Trevor Zegras
7. BUF: Cole Caufield
8. EDM: Philip Broberg
9. ANA: Kirby Dach
10. VAN: Spencer Knight
11. PHI: Matthew Boldy
12. MIN: Victor Soderstrom
13. FLA: Moritz Seider
14. ARI: Alex Newhook
15. MON: Vasily Podkolzin
16. COL: Peyton Krebs
17. VGK: Ville Heinola
18. DAL: Raphael Lavoie
19. OTT: Bobby Brink
20: NYR: Cam York
21. PIT: Arthur Kaliyev
22. LA: Matthew Robertson
23. NYI: Thomas Harley
24. NSH: Tobias Bjornfoot
25. WSH: Vlad Kolyachonok
26. CGY: Samuel Poulin
27. TB: Nils Hoglander
28: CAR: Lassi Thomson
29. ANA: Kaeden Korczak
30. BOS: Philip Tomasino
31. BUF: Ryan Suzuki

I sleep like a baby as a Rangers fan in two weeks if they come away with Kakko and York in the first round.
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good list. My main change would be to swap Suzuki and Kaliyev. I like Suzuki much more and Kaliyev much less. I think Korczak is the only name on there I'm not familiar with. Colorado is gonna have a sick draft. They are probably gonna end up with two top 10 players (top 10 on at least someone's list). I would hope we could trade up to 14 if Newhook is still there.
 
1. NJD - Hughes
2. NYR - Kakko
3. CHI - Byram
4. COL - Turcotte

That's all I've got.
 
Edge said:
A Kakko- Dorofeyev first round at 2 and 20 would certainly check the boxes for skill and upside.
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However, it doesn't address our lack of organizational high level center prospects. I'm not suggesting that they don't go BPA, but I'd prefer to move to a position where a C is BPA. I'd be a lot happier with Dorofeyev if that Kreider for a 3rd 1st worked out and became a Krebs or Newhook (I'm kind of resigned to Zegras being out of reach).
 
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bl02 said:
I know he is young and like you said he's not NHL ready next year anyway it is quite possible the repaired tendon could create issues like strength/ function of the gastroc-soleus complex (as well as Ankle plantar flexion/Dorsiflexion range of motion). Now at 20 I wouldn't pass over him but if lets say a team picking top 10 maybe I would have second thoughts.
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I would definitely pass on Krebs at 20 after achilles problems. Who likes Krebs? The same people who thought Olli Wahlstrom was the second coming?
 
Barnaby said:
However, it doesn't address our lack of organizational high level center prospects. I'm not suggesting that they don't go BPA, but I'd prefer to move to a position where a C is BPA. I'd be a lot happier with Dorofeyev if that Kreider for a 3rd 1st worked out and became a Krebs or Newhook (I'm kind of resigned to Zegras being out of reach).
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100 percent agree.

Right now I am basing my approach on what we have, with an eye toward what I hope we have on that day.

Personally, I’d love a trifecta with a wing (Kakko), a center and a defenseman. Second to that scenario, two wings and a center.
 
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We lack elite talent: number 2 pick should take care of that finally.

We lack one high end RHD and size on defense: Seider could take care of both. Highly doubtful he's there at 20. Would you trade up a few spots with one of the later 2nds? Pick one of the other big D available with the 20th? With some luck we could end up with him. There is enough competition.

Still I feel, we definitely lack sniping most. Kakko should help in that regard, but we need more and I don't think it's good value to trade up for any guy other than Caufield, considering the asset would be Kreider.

Though spot, we can still fill out next year. To me, we keep the picks as is. Maybe some minor deals to secure certain players. Kreider stays, no brainer to me.
Get Kakko, Seider, Dorofeyev in the 2nd. Next year draft a center and another sniper. Top 5 next year seems to be jackpot territory and the 1st rd is stacked.

Ps.: Would you trade Kreider for a late 1st this year and a late 1st next year? This would be a kind of deal, where I'd have to bite.
 
Ola said:
I would definitely pass on Krebs at 20 after achilles problems. Who likes Krebs? The same people who thought Olli Wahlstrom was the second coming?
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Krebs is kind of known as a 200' player--really good skater--more a playmaker than a shooter. Some grit. I've seen comparisons to Toews with him. Hard not to see him becoming a pretty good NHL player--at least if he makes a decent recovery from his injury. If he's still around at 20 he'd be a great addition. I thought of him pretty much in the 10-15 range and more towards the 10. He's already pretty well rounded. Kind of a better skating pass first version of Lias.
 
Kupo said:
Ehhh, look a year back. A lot of people didn’t know who he even was. Even scouts.

At the start of the year he was on peoples radar. Late 1st. Early 2nd.

Now? He could easily go top 8-12 and it wouldn’t shock anyone.
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That’s the thing though, a year back is still all public stuff. Guys like Button and Pronman aren’t getting paid to go watch German junior leagues.

What I mean, is like, The Rangers were following Chytil closely since he was like 15, teams do way more work and for way longer than networks or magazine scouts, I’d be shocked if Seider was a complete unknown to most of the teams at the start of the year even if he was more of an unknown to the public prospect following community
 
The Crypto Guy said:
A fake shot to a pass? I'm just not seeing how that is one of the more impressive plays by a prospect this season. Nice pass, but a top play is reaching quite a bit IMO.
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Welcome to disagree. I'm not saying it's the flashiest play, I'm saying it's one of the plays that most demonstrates to me the ability to be an effective player at higher levels. For me, it's about the way he manipulates the defense and the hockey sense that reveals. I think most players, even the really good ones, essentially focus on beating the player in front of them and react to what they see. What Brink does in this play is understand the potential for a high end scoring opportunity that's not there but could be, then manipulate the defense into opening it up, anticipate their reactions, and make the play. What impresses me is the ability to think 2 steps ahead of everyone else, the ability to manipulate defenders to do what he wants them to, and the ability to do it at a large scale, not just to one defender in front of him but to an entire defense that's in good position at the start of the play.
 
chosen said:
Isn't the problem on defense more lack of ability than lack of size?
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On the prospect front, we lack right d with size, someone who can pk and play the harder minutes. It would be nice if they could grab a mbile guy or two in the later rounds to fill that need but they definitely shouldn’t force it. Ryan Seidem could fit that role and not waste a high pick. Max Crozier, Hellesom are a couple of others.
 
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Isn't the problem on defense more lack of ability than lack of size?
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We do have offensively able defensive prospects. Many of our prospects are rather two-way type of d-men, so yes, there is also a lack of ability defensively. I think it's both

We need crease-clearers. K'Andre, Rykov, Lindgren, maybe Hajek. Those guys could be that? We can add a big kid like Vlasic, Harley or Robertson.
Seider is more of a two-way type and quite raw.
 
Joey Bones said:
Partial tear. Will still need a lot of time to recover. He'll most likely be at the draft on crutches....
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That may well be enough for him to drop out of top 15 or so. Question is, will that scare away Gorton as well?
 
NYRFANMANI said:
Ps.: Would you trade Kreider for a late 1st this year and a late 1st next year? This would be a kind of deal, where I'd have to bite.
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Late? No. I would begrudgingly deal him for 10-14 this year, 20+ next year and a Lemieux/Howden type of prospect.
 
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NYRFANMANI said:
We need crease-clearers. K'Andre, Rykov, Lindgren, maybe Hajek. Those guys could be that? We can add a big kid like Vlasic, Harley or Robertson.
Seider is more of a two-way type and quite raw.
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While I agree in theory, got to say that I am with Edge on this one. Add BPA and you can always figure out what to do with excess talent. The franchise is not at that level. Yet.
 
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