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Draft and UDFA Thread 2018-19: Part VIII (No Kakko/Hughes Talk)

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True Blue said:
Why wouldn't Chicago take Byram? One can make a very strong case that he is the third best prospect in the entire draft. Also disagree on Dach. If he falls, he is not falling that far.
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1) I think there are players at #3 that are really close but i don't think Byram has enough to sway the Hawks to go D over some of the forwards available. I like Byram. There's not a lot to dislike about him. I dont think the Hawks will draft him.

2) Hawks haven't drafted a forward in the first 2 rounds since 2016 where they selected DeBrincat. Last year they grabbed Boqvist and Beaudin. 2017 they selected Jokiharju and Mitchell. 4 Dmen.

I think the Hawks pick will be Zegras, but not ruling out Cozens and Krebs
 
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offdacrossbar said:
button always goes off the rails


Kirby Dach is going to go top 10. hes not falling anywhere. kids captaining the canadian team and playing like a stud. he's on the worlds biggest stage and hes been strong. his game is very technical with plenty of skill. skating is not a problem at all.

turcotte wont be around either. hell go top 10

zegras and newhook can both be had after pick 12

i think byram goes pick 3-5. i think broberg goes top 12 and i think there will be one surprise reach in there as well.

names like krebs, lovoie, caufield or kaliyev may well go sooner. podkolzin anywhere from 5 to 12 may be called.

i think well have a shot at newhook and zegras if were willing to push up to 12-14 range\

always watch the hot kids who play well on the big international stage. late risers and kids who show well. lots of scouts and attention at the u18's . kids who do well will get the buzz.
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I agree Dach goes top 10. I just don't think he is drafted top 5.
 
Bluenote13 said:
I'm pretty sure Button didn't even have Kravtsov in the first round at this time last year.

But I hope he's right about Turcotte, Zegras, Newhook all outside the top 10.
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II can't remember if he did. Redline was one of the first to put Kravtsov in the first round. I think they had him at like #12 earlier then most in one of their pieces. Blackbook also had him high.
 
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If Craig Button really knew what he was doing/talking about he'd still be working for an NHL team.

I appreciate his passion and the coverage he provides, though. He's opinionated and has his favorites. Just don't put a whole lot of stock into his rankings.
 
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Draft Guru said:
If Craig Button really knew what he was doing/talking about he'd still be working for an NHL team.

I appreciate his passion and the coverage he provides, though. He's opinionated and has his favorites. Just don't put a whole lot of stock into his rankings.
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If he really knew what he was talking about, he would know that draft picks 16-19 are not yet set.

Button's list is probably as random as any individual team.

McKenzie's list is always the closest to reality because he gets information directly from teams and does not rank the players himself. His list is great but it is the work of other scouts that he borrows and parses. Nothing wrong with that.
 
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Lion Hound said:
Depends...I think there are clubs that have him higher then this board in particular does.
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Possible, but that is still VERY high. I could see someone reach at 9 or 10. But 3? As far as forwards go, I could not justify taking him ahead of Dach, Cozens, Zegras or Turcotte. Or even a Boldy.
 
Lion Hound said:
II can't remember if he did. Redline was one of the first to put Kravtsov in the first round. I think they had him at like #12 earlier then most in one of their pieces. Blackbook also had him high.
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Kravtsov was in my top 20 since the mid season and only rose from there. Everyone really took notice when he had the great playoffs. I think this year, someone like Daniil Misyul can also possibly go 1st round as well due to his playoffs. Was meh in MHL play when I saw him but in the KHL playoffs he’s been a complete beast. I wouldn’t mind taking him with our second or even if we get another late 1st. Gives me K’Andre vibes but more aggressive
 
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Ola said:
JMO, but I don't think Kaliyev really fits what we should be looking for. Of our long-term assets, most are pretty big.
Buch 6'3
Ziba 6'2
Chytil 6'3
Kakko 6'2
Kravtsov 6'4
Kreider (if he is here after this summer) 6'3

That is 5-6 guys that certainly could make our top 6 down the road, and all are 6'2 and bigger. Look, I am going to paint with a pretty broad brush here, but that is just to illustrate an observation that I am pretty comfortable about for several reasons, especially after watching games. I.e., I am not "just" of the opinion I am of because what I state in the following, I base it on a ton of things. But if we look at the top 3 team's in this league, it sticks out how few forwards 6'2 or bigger they have in their top 6 and on their roster:

Tampa Bay Lightnings -- 0 (zero) forwards 6'2 or bigger in their top 6 and 0 (zero) forwards 6'2 or bigger on their roster
Boston Bruins -- one forward 6'2 or bigger in their top 6 and 2-3 forwards 6'2 or bigger on their roster
Calgary Flames -- two forward 6'2 or bigger in their top 6 and 3-4 forwards 6'2 or bigger on their roster

The issue is not about size in itself, that you are better the smaller you are, but the game is darn fast nowadays and its tremendously important to have players that can get going really fast in either direction when the play turns. Its pure physics that a smaller guy can turn around faster than a bigger guy everything else equal.

In addition, making it in this league -- given how tough the competition is out there -- is so much about getting the right opportunity. Finding a spot in the NHL in which you can play to your strengths, while growing into the NHL game which you only can do in the NHL. And I think we have a -- PERFECT spot -- for one of those midget play-makers that can skate and transport the puck. Can we find the next Tyler Johnson? The next Marty Straka?

I would love getting Newhook. But I have a hard time seeing Gorton getting much of an opportunity to trade up to where he will go. But who knows. Bobby Brink and Karl Henriksson are two guys who I think would fit this mold really well, but I do think that BB should go a bit later. He is pretty raw. Unless you feel that he really is underdeveloped and can take a big step in the near future.
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Um what? We wouldnt be drafting Kaliyev for size, wed draft him for his wicked goal scoring abilities. Its not like were drafting a bunch of big burly forwards who do nothing but park in front of the net, all those guys have other great assets to their game.
 
Rangers743 said:
Um what? We wouldnt be drafting Kaliyev for size, wed draft him for his wicked goal scoring abilities. Its not like were drafting a bunch of big burly forwards who do nothing but park in front of the net, all those guys have other great assets to their game.
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They all skate really well too, so I’m not concerned about it.
 
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True Blue said:
Possible, but that is still VERY high. I could see someone reach at 9 or 10. But 3? As far as forwards go, I could not justify taking him ahead of Dach, Cozens, Zegras or Turcotte. Or even a Boldy.
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Yes, i have him higher then most. I look at Krebs this year the same way i looked at Farabee last year. I was all over him in the draft thread last year. Had him top 10 and even up as far as 7 OA. This year i see Krebs as a far greater competitor then i do some of the of the players ranked ahead of him. I do think there are a few clubs that feel the same way.
 
I can definitely see Edmonton and Buffalo going for Boldy and Caufield. They are probably gonna be desperate for finding McDavid and Eichel linemates.
 
bobbop said:
Point of interest (for a few of us) -- Cole Caufield is the grandson of former Eastern Hockey League (Jersey Devils-Long Island Ducks-Syracuse Blazers) player and coach Wayne Caufield.
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Just happens to be Wayne Caufield's birthday today !

Caufield's have always known the Granatos, Don(Blackhawks) and Tony(U of Wisc) as well.
 
Rangers743 said:
Um what? We wouldnt be drafting Kaliyev for size, wed draft him for his wicked goal scoring abilities. Its not like were drafting a bunch of big burly forwards who do nothing but park in front of the net, all those guys have other great assets to their game.
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The best teams in this league have a bunch of forwards who are tremendously speedy and like glue on the puck for long parts of a shift.

We don’t have anyone like that. Is Kaliyev that guy? Nope, he is the complete opposite.
 
Ola said:
The best teams in this league have a bunch of forwards who are tremendously speedy and like glue on the puck for long parts of a shift.

We don’t have anyone like that. Is Kaliyev that guy? Nope, he is the complete opposite.
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For all the other ones speed is one of their best assets, who cares about height? Kaliyev isnt a great skater but his goal scoring more then makes up for it
 
Ranger Ric said:
What seems to be missing in the discussion about trading Kreider is a possible contract extension. If, for example, Kreider wants $8 million for 8 years, then he is going to be traded. If he is willing to do a JVR type deal, $7 million for 5 years, then I think the Rangers think harder about how he fits into the rebuild. I think it was Jeff Gorton who said last year you can't just have all young players.
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$7m for five years is probably a good guess on Kreider's price tag. I don't think the Rangers would do that though. Maybe four years. Just my guess, of course.
 
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