Draft and UDFA Thread 2018-19: Part VII (No Kakko/Hughes Talk)
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Ghost of jas
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My question in that regard is, do you think the Rangers like one of the centers in this draft that we’ve discussed more than say, Andersson, Skjei or Buchnevich? And, if they do, how likely are they to pull the trigger on that type of deal?
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I don't know for sure.
I think all those guys could be in play. But I don't know if the Rangers would move Kreider for 14, and then move 14 and one of those assets for 8.
I feel like at some point it becomes Kreider, Skjei, Buch or Andersson, but not two of the four. Of that grouping, I think Kreider is the most likely to be moved, if someone is going to be moved.
I would definitely be on board for that. The question is whether Anaheim has enough interest in Kreider to pull the trigger.
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In theory, it's not a far-fetched offer for Anaheim to consider.
They still have a first round pick, and can either extend Kreider, use him as a boost to get into the playoffs --- where anything is possible it seems, or flip him at the TDL if it doesn't work out.
If it doesn't work out, they're probably in a similar spot next draft and would have a top 10 pick, along with another first for Kreider, and potentially a prospect from a Kreider deal as well.
So they move the 9th pick, and they get the 22nd pick and Kreider
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the 22nd pick, another pick in a similar range next year, and a Brendan Lemieux level prospect, along with the shot to make the playoffs it did work out.
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They have the additional pick from the Montour trade as well. They have an excellent scouting department, so if there’s anyone that will identify the proper talent in the 20-31 range, it’s their guys.
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I mean worst case scenario, it doesn't work out, they have four first round picks in two years, and a solid prospect.
Best case scenario, it works, they make the playoffs, resign Kreider, and still have 3 first round picks in a two year span.
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Kreider is a great fit for many teams in the late single numbers. I could see him reviatlizing Getzlaf, helping make McDavid even more insane, or being an excellent compliment to Pettersson and Boeser. All of those teams are desperate to make the playoffs NEXT season. Particularly Edmonton or Vancouver. I would think Jimbo’s job is on the line this coming season - he’s ripe for the picking.
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Anaheim is also more likely to either not be on his movement list, or negotiable.
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Not that I would know what Kreider wants, but I think Edmonton and Vancouver are good situations for Kreider - he can stick it out a year in Edmonton and have McDavid pad his stats a bit, and therefore his upcoming contract as well. Vancouver is a beautiful city and as questionable as Benning is that team has a lot of young talent, they should be considered an up and comer IMO. Pettersson, Q. Hughes, Boeser, Horvat, all studs. They have a great core, and Kreider would be an excellent beginning to a great group of complimentary players.
Even if those teams are currently on his no trade list, I could see him waiving for either.
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The McDavid angle is intriguing and something I've considered as a possibility as well.
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Honestly, I kinda hope we trade Kreider to Edmonton because I really want to see a Kreider-McDavid-Draisaitl line. I think it could be a modern legion of doom.
I would be very happy to take him in the second.I think calling him a 2nd rounder is seriously underestimating him in this draft.
That said, good for us if that's the average sentiment, let him drop to our 2nd
Like I said, there are a few names that I like with the early second. Poulin, Nikolaev, Seider. Rangers do not dip into the Q often, which makes me look at Nikolaev or Seidner. Maybe a Vlassic if he drops.
I also like Beecher in the second round range. But not as much as I like the above. Nussbaumer & Hoglander also come to mind in the second.
Am with you. Just cannot see three, but can envision several scenarios where there are two. Have also come full circle on the fact that top-15 is not as good as another top-10, but is still pretty good.
Still, with all that said, I am not sure that I would not stay put with 2 & 22, and then obtain a likely top-15 in 2020. I think that a 5 & 15 next year would also do wonders for the franchise. Yeah, now that I write it out maybe 2 & 22 this year and 5 & 15 next year is debatable to moving into top-15 this year.
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This year's 2nd and 3rd rounds are going to be interesting. With goalies and defenseman aplenty, forwards will fall through the cracks. Plus there are overagers who will start to get looks in the 3rd at the least.
Not next year. Sorry, that is still a lottery team. Eventually, sure the potential is there. But if we look at nothing but next year, that is still lottery.
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In theory, there's some room to maneuver next season if Zucc resigns in Dallas.
So while it's still a great, big unknown, swinging big this season doesn't inherently mean next season is off the table.
Hell, I mean I'd love to pick 2 and 8 this season, and then follow that up with 1 and 15 next season.
I think Vancouver would just be a phenomenal fit for Kreider. He's the perfect guy to line up next to Boeser and EP at ES and on the PP.
Their fan base is very much in the "prospects, prospects, and more prospects" frame of mind but Benning has said in a presser recently that he'd like to add a scoring winger.
Wouldn't we all? I just don't know if that's possible. In theory, moving into the 8-10 range this year may cost you the capital you would need to add a 10-15 next year.
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Do you mean providing that Zucc resigns there? I meant more of trading into that area.
If Zucc resigns with Dallas, I would have no problem with sticking at 2 & 22 this year, and having 3 top-15 picks in next year's draft. That draft is shaping up to rival 2003.
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