Draft and UDFA Thread 2018-19: Part VII (No Kakko/Hughes Talk)

[Off Sides]

And I believe that if you take out Krebs, those 5 names are the ones that would be the target. No ruling out Boldy, but those 5 are the ones.

I like Krebs as a LW

Sure I'd prefer center which he also has some of, yet between Kakko, Krebs, Kravtsov, Chytil, Buchnevich, the very plausible top 6 wings is getting better. Maybe I don't even have to hear about Panarin anymore.

 

[Joey Bones]

This one will rise on draft day!!

 

[Edge]

I like Krebs as a LW

Sure I'd prefer center which he also has some of, yet between Kakko, Krebs, Kravtsov, Chytil, Buchnevich, the very plausible top 6 wings is getting better. Maybe I don't even have to hear about Panarin anymore.

I like Krebs, a lot. But I don't know if he's a guy I target with a move-up.

Right now, he seems like a superior support player. A guy who works with the guy, and in that sense, he might very well be an ideal fit on the left side for the Rangers moving forward.

I don't know if he has that "drive a line" type upside that some of the other forward options have. He and Boldy both give off that "ultimate wing-man" kind of vibe. And that's not a bad thing by any stretch. But Krebs kind of feels like the type of pick that's solid, but not necessarily spectacular. If the goal is to land a support guy to compliment Kakko, he could very well be in play. But if the goal is to really go for the home run swing and see if you can't come away with two picks who are instrumental to driving, or at least steering the offense, I don't know if he's that guy.

 

[Off Sides]

I like Krebs, a lot. But I don't know if he's a guy I target with a move-up.

Right now, he seems like a superior support player. A guy who works with the guy, and in that sense, he might very well be an ideal fit on the left side for the Rangers moving forward.

I don't know if he has that "drive a line" type upside that some of the other forward options have. He and Boldy both give off that "ultimate wing-man" kind of vibe. And that's not a bad thing by any stretch. But Krebs kind of feels like the type of pick that's solid, but not necessarily spectacular. If the goal is to land a support guy to compliment Kakko, he could very well be in play. But if the goal is to really go for the home run swing and see if you can't come away with two picks who are instrumental to driving, or at least steering the offense, I don't know if he's that guy.

I'll defer to your opinion as you know much more about these prospects than I do,

With that said if he could be like a Jaden Schwartz, I see that as a player worth moving up for in this rebuild.

Perhaps not quite pay as much to move up for, yet still it would be nice to have a LW who is capable of being in the 50-60 point range who is a 200 foot dependable player too as the system seems a little lacking there too. If he does similar as a center, while I know they probably hoped Lias could be that, I think doubling up there may still turn out to be the right idea.

 

[Edge]

I'll defer to your opinion as you know much more about these prospects than I do,

With that said if he could be like a Jaden Schwartz, I see that as a player worth moving up for in this rebuild.

Perhaps not quite pay as much to move up for, yet still it would be nice to have a LW who is capable of being in the 50-60 point range who is a 200 foot dependable player too as the system seems a little lacking there too. If he does similar as a center, while I know they probably hoped Lias could be that, I think doubling up there may still turn out to be the right idea.

And he could be. Having said that, I think I'd be far more comfortable with Krebs in the teens than I would in a top 10 spot if one of the other centers is still there.

If they're all off the board by say the 9th pick, sure I can live with Krebs being picked there. But I will admit that it would feel at least somewhat disappointing considering how close that pick is to names I like more.

 

[Off Sides]

And he could be. Having said that, I think I'd be far more comfortable with Krebs in the teens than I would in a top 10 spot if one of the other centers is still there.

If they're all off the board by say the 9th pick, sure I can live with Krebs being picked there. But I will admit that it would feel at least somewhat disappointing considering how close that pick is to names I like more.

Sure if the trade is for #9 really any pick, and the other centers we often talk about are there I'd much prefer to see them go that route

Yet if not and they see too much risk in guys like Newhook, Caufield, Kaliyev, etc I guess I could still see Krebs even if I too think the offensive ceiling is probably lower.

If it were me I'd likely still go ceiling there, but I'd definitely question the risk.

 

[Ghost of jas]

And he could be. Having said that, I think I'd be far more comfortable with Krebs in the teens than I would in a top 10 spot if one of the other centers is still there.

If they're all off the board by say the 9th pick, sure I can live with Krebs being picked there. But I will admit that it would feel at least somewhat disappointing considering how close that pick is to names I like more.

I’d rather have Newhook than Krebs. I’d prefer taking the risk.

 

[Edge]

I’d rather have Newhook than Krebs. I’d prefer taking the risk.

Personally, if I'm on the clock, and the 4 centers are off the board, Newhook is probably my pick.

Higher risk than some of the other options, but I have to take that big swing there.

 

[Trxjw]

I would've felt a lot more comfortable with Newhook if he hadn't been snubbed from the U18 squad. On the flip side, that could be the thing that ultimately keeps him out of the top-10.

Rangers trade Kreider for a pick in the teens and a decent prospect. If they can't get up to Zegras et all then their consolation prize is Newhook and a D with the Jets pick. Three top-20 selections in this draft certainly sets us up very nicely.

 

[Edge]

I would've felt a lot more comfortable with Newhook if he hadn't been snubbed from the U18 squad. On the flip side, that could be the thing that ultimately keeps him out of the top-10.

Rangers trade Kreider for a pick in the teens and a decent prospect. If they can't get up to Zegras et all then their consolation prize is Newhook and a D with the Jets pick. Three top-20 selections in this draft certainly sets us up very nicely.

Well, Newhook should be on the short list of players with whom the Rangers should be extensively familiar.

 

[Ghost of jas]

I would've felt a lot more comfortable with Newhook if he hadn't been snubbed from the U18 squad. On the flip side, that could be the thing that ultimately keeps him out of the top-10.

Rangers trade Kreider for a pick in the teens and a decent prospect. If they can't get up to Zegras et all then their consolation prize is Newhook and a D with the Jets pick. Three top-20 selections in this draft certainly sets us up very nicely.

I’d be totally okay with that scenario.

 

[Trxjw]

Well, Newhook should be on the short list of players with whom the Rangers should be extensively familiar.

Very true. Always slips my mind that Hughes is playing with him. I trust the Rangers if they go with him. Not like I get a ton of BCHL games here in Western PA either.

 

[Edge]

I’d be totally okay with that scenario.

I'm okay with that as a very solid Plan B.

Though, I freely admit that some of the defenseman in the early 20s aren't players that I'm overly crazy about --- unless someone freefalls a bit.

Otherwise, I'm think I'm actually more partial to go with a forward again and take a look at some of the defenseman who might be around in the early second.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

I'm okay with that as a very solid Plan B.

Though, I freely admit that some of the defenseman in the early 20s aren't players that I'm overly crazy about --- unless someone freefalls a bit.

Otherwise, I'm think I'm actually more partial to go with a forward again and take a look at some of the defenseman who might be around in the early second.

I think starting in the late teens is the time to give some real thought to a guy like Ryan Suzuki. Rangers liked his brother in 2017 too

 

[Bluenote13]

I would've felt a lot more comfortable with Newhook if he hadn't been snubbed from the U18 squad. On the flip side, that could be the thing that ultimately keeps him out of the top-10.

Newhook was snubbed? Didn't he just have a hat-trick the other day?

 

[Ghost of jas]

I'm okay with that as a very solid Plan B.

Though, I freely admit that some of the defenseman in the early 20s aren't players that I'm overly crazy about --- unless someone freefalls a bit.

Otherwise, I'm think I'm actually more partial to go with a forward again and take a look at some of the defenseman who might be around in the early second.

What if Podkolzin is there at the second 1st? What if the haul turns out to be Kakko, Podkolzin and Newhook? Say Kreider gets you to 14, the Rangers move up to 9, and Podkolzin is the best player on the board, and then they also able to get Newhook with the Jets pick? Thoughts?

 

[MetalJaws]

Does anyone here in the know project Podkolzin, Turcott, Zegras, Dach, Cozens or Newhook to be better prospects than Chytil or LA? Podkolzin sure seems like the most skilled of the bunch. I don't know if he'll fall, would be nice to have GM's think he's too much of a risk and trade down for him.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

I'm okay with that as a very solid Plan B.

Though, I freely admit that some of the defenseman in the early 20s aren't players that I'm overly crazy about --- unless someone freefalls a bit.

Otherwise, I'm think I'm actually more partial to go with a forward again and take a look at some of the defenseman who might be around in the early second.

This has to be one of the weakest first rounds for defenseman that I can remember in quite some time.

After Byram the quality drops significantly.

It’s why I wouldn’t be shocked if a guy like Soderstrom or York snuck into the top-10.

 

[Edge]

Very true. Always slips my mind that Hughes is playing with him. I trust the Rangers if they go with him. Not like I get a ton of BCHL games here in Western PA either.

I've seen Newhook live twice over the last years, and many times digitally.

There's a lot to love there, and that's why I had him in my preseason top 10. I've slid him to just outside the top 10, but that's primarily based on the play of other prospects in more competitive leagues.

I think the skating, play making and hockey sense are all high. He plays with a lot of energy, and I think he's going to have a solid frame to go with it. I'd like to see him shoot more, and I'm curious as to how he does against stiffer competition, but also with a better supporting cast.

I think he can be very hard on himself, but I also think he's so far ahead of a lot of the players he's surrounded with that it becomes a source of frustration.

I honestly don't think there's a lot of difference in the inherent talent that Newhook possesses compared to Dach, Turcotte, Zegras and Cozens. But he didn't play in the CHL, and he didn't play for the US Team, so it's all hypothetical at this point. But I think his skill set would've excelled in either of those environments.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

@Edge how would you say Newhook compares to Jost? Higher upside?

 

[Fugazy]

Well, Newhook should be on the short list of players with whom the Rangers should be extensively familiar.

I would be very pleased if the Rangers traded up to get Newhook on pick 10 and up. I love his game.

 

[Edge]

Does anyone here in the know project Podkolzin, Turcott, Zegras, Dach, Cozens or Newhook to be better prospects than Chytil or LA? Podkolzin sure seems like the most skilled of the bunch. I don't know if he'll fall, would be nice to have GM's think he's too much of a risk and trade down for him.

At the same point in development? Yes, I believe they are. Though they are different prospects than Chytil and LA as well, so it's not quite apples to apples.

This has to be one of the weakest first rounds for defenseman that I can remember in quite some time.

After Byram the quality drops significantly.

Broberg, Soderstrom, and York are intriguing to me. None of them jumps out as the top prospect in this draft, but they are somewhat under the radar because of the strength of the forward class.

It's when I start getting to names like Harley, Robertson and even Seider that I start to get a less enchanted. I think all of them have their strengths and their potential, but I don't know if I look at them and really feel wowed either. To me, they're the guys who are getting more attention because of the lack of clear-cut defensive prospects in the first. Again, not bad prospects, but not necessarily guys I look at and say, "Oh yeah, there's the prospect I want at 22!"

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Yeah, I was gonna use Seider as an example of why this D class is underwhelming - I like him a lot, he’s one of my favorite prospects in the draft. But I feel like in an average defensive class he’s an early 2nd rounder, not a guy who will likely go top-20.

 

[Trxjw]

Newhook was snubbed? Didn't he just have a hat-trick the other day?

Holy crap you're right. All this time I had it in my head that he was bounced and it was actually the Hlinka he was cut from. Ive been so swamped at work that I haven't even checked in on the U18 at all.

I need a vacation.

 

[Edge]

@Edge how would you say Newhook compares to Jost? Higher upside?

This one comes up a lot and it's easy to see why. Both guys are similar sized players, with similar production, in the same league.

I'd give Newhook the advantage on natural talent, play making and overall hockey IQ.

I think Jost was the more natural goal scorer at the same stage in development.

I will say that what Newhook has done in the playoffs is nothing short of spectacular. I mean he is COMPLETELY dominating.

I think Newhook's ceiling is higher and he's the better prospect. But I think, fair or unfair, Jost is definitely going to be used as a measuring stick by teams.