Draft and UDFA Thread 2018-19: Part VII (No Kakko/Hughes Talk)

[True Blue]

I guess it depends on where they have him rated.

If the Rangers have him third, and they have a chance to come away with two of their three highest rated players, I don't think they balk.

Having said that, I'd be very surprised if Podkolzin is their target.

It is also very possible that netting Kakko may well have changed how they view things. It could well be that Byram is now the target. And not just because I have been cheerleading for him, but having a high end forward prospect may change their view on looking at a high end defensive prospect.

I too would be surprised if Podkolzin is the target. Though one never knows. With Kravstov and soon to be Kakko in fold, they may be fine on waiting on Podkolzin to come over.

 

[Gardner McKay]

Korczak is a guy I was eyeing with Tampa's pick or our second, especially if we go high-octane offense with our first two picks (wherever they may fall).

Let's say by same amazing fortune that Kakko is the pick at 2, and the Rangers find a way to get a Dach/Cozens/Turcotte/Zegras as well. Korczak is definitely a kid I'd love to come away with in the second.

You sound less sure of this than you did a week ago

 

[Edge]

It is also very possible that netting Kakko may well have changed how they view things. It could well be that Byram is now the target. And not just because I have been cheerleading for him, but having a high end forward prospect may change their view on looking at a high end defensive prospect.

I too would be surprised if Podkolzin is the target. Though one never knows. With Kravstov and soon to be Kakko in fold, they may be fine on waiting on Podkolzin to come over.

And the reality is that while we can say with some confidence the Rangers want a second pick in the top 10, just about everything afterwards is up in the air.

We suspect Turcotte, Zegras, Cozens and Dach, but it could very well be Boldy, Caufield, Newhook and Kaliyev.

It could be one of Byram, Broberg, Soderstrom or York.

Now the scuttlebutt has them interested in centers, but I don't know how concrete that is.

 

[Edge]

You sound less sure of this than you did a week ago

Sorry, I should've written that to sound collective --- as in a package deal of Kakko and one of the centers.

I have no doubt Kakko is their guy if he's there at two.

Either way I think the Rangers would love to come away with a center-wing combo from the top 10.

 

[Polar Bear]

Sorry, I should've written that to sound collective --- as in a package deal of Kakko and one of the centers.

I have no doubt Kakko is their guy if he's there at two.

Either way I think the Rangers would love to come away with a center-wing combo from the top 10.

It's obvious we're taking whoever is left of Kakko/Hughes, but I am curious how getting number 1 would have played out in deciding between the two. Kakko seems like the type of prospect the Rangers absolutely adore. I wonder if there is a chance we would have taken him at 1 if we had that pick.

 

[Edge]

It's obvious we're taking whoever is left of Kakko/Hughes, but I am curious how getting number 1 would have played out in deciding between the two. Kakko seems like the type of prospect the Rangers absolutely adore. I wonder if there is a chance we would have taken him at 1 if we had that pick.

I tend to think the Rangers would've taken Hughes first overall if it was their pick.

 

[True Blue]

I have to say, based purely on profile alone, Seider intrigues me. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the only RHD with size projected in the first round, no? Presuming his stock isn't being inflated for that reason alone, he could slot very nicely into the team's portfolio of prospects...

Seider MAY be the dropper that is around with out first second. And would be a solid pick there.

 

[Polar Bear]

I tend to think the Rangers would've taken Hughes first overall if it was their pick.

Very possible and probably likely, but I am sure Kakko would have made it a conversation at least. I'm sure they are quite giddy that their "consolation" prize is Kakko.

 

[True Blue]

And the reality is that while we can say with some confidence the Rangers want a second pick in the top 10, just about everything afterwards is up in the air.

We suspect Turcotte, Zegras, Cozens and Dach, but it could very well be Boldy, Caufield, Newhook and Kaliyev.

It could be one of Byram, Broberg, Soderstrom or York.

Now the scuttlebutt has them interested in centers, but I don't know how concrete that is.

Yeah, I would be very suprised if the choice was not Byram, Dach, Cozens, Turcotte, Zegras. I would not be shocked if it were boldy. I do have a hard time imagining it's one of the other names you mentioned. But what do I know?

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

I have to say, based purely on profile alone, Seider intrigues me. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the only RHD with size projected in the first round, no? Presuming his stock isn't being inflated for that reason alone, he could slot very nicely into the team's portfolio of prospects...

I was thinking last night that he lack of D is going to push Seider up the boards. I kind of think of him as a less developed Jacob Trouba.

My best guess is he starts getting looks in the early 10s and is gone by 20.

 

[Edge]

Very possible and probably likely, but I am sure Kakko would have made it a conversation at least. I'm sure they are quite giddy that their "consolation" prize is Kakko.

Yeah, I don't think they've lost a wink of sleep wondering "what if" over the last week.

If anything, the reaction that seemed to come out almost immediately was that they were hungry for another pick as well.

 

[Edge]

Yeah, I would be very suprised if the choice was not Byram, Dach, Cozens, Turcotte, Zegras. I would not be shocked if it were boldy. I do have a hard time imagining it's one of the other names you mentioned. But what do I know?

My gut tells me it's one of the four we're talking about. And beyond that, I have a feeling Zegras might be a guy they have fourth in the draft. But I've not been able to get anyone to confirm a name for me, other than I know they liked Cozens.

 

[Tawnos]

I'm not really sure what trading for Kreider does for the Oilers. Draisaitl plays McDavid's LW. I think Draisaitl did a better job playing away from McDavid this season when the Oilers tried to distribute their scoring but in previous season, Draisaitl's scoring dried up away from McDavid. If they went with Kreider-McDavd-? and Draisaitl-Nugent Hopkins-? maybe maaaaaybe if Yamamoto and Pool Party can finally step up they'll have two lines but they really should let those two come up when they are ready. But at the end of the day, Kreider is only signed for 1 year. I'm doubting Edmonton has what it takes to keep Kreider from going UFA. At their draft pick, I totally see them picking one of the top four defensmen. Byram, Soderstrom, Broberg, Harley. One of them will be available. I'm just not seeing it...

The Oilers lack offensive wingers outside of Draisaitl and they lack team speed.

 

[brians1128]

If all the seconds remain seconds (Dallas, Tampa) that leaves us at 37,49,58 or something around that, It seems most are on board with using the 22 to move up to target a center, and the 2nd ov is a rather easy decision. The second is where to me it gets rather interesting whats your 3 choices?

 

[lucky13]

If you can get to 8, I think you take one of the centers.

Personally I’d like them to put them selves in a position to grab Newhook... It wouldn’t cost as much as moving into the top 10 and the kid may well be just as good as the other Centers people are talking about...
This is all predicated on NJ taking Hughes...If they take Kakko and we grab Hughes then the plan shifts...

 

[Edge]

If all the seconds remain seconds (Dallas, Tampa) that leaves us at 37,49,58 or something around that, It seems most are on board with using the 22 to move up to target a center, and the 2nd ov is a rather easy decision. The second is where to me it gets rather interesting whats your 3 choices?

I think all the seconds might be in play for different purposes.

One second could be in play to move up in the first, either from the Jets pick, or potentially a higher pick. I think that pick could also be in play to move up in the second, if the Rangers like a guy.

I think another second round pick could be in play for Fox.

 

[offdacrossbar]

kakko>slight move up for newhook >Björnfot or heinola

hughes>hold or move up for one of boldy or brink > Björnfot or heinola

thats my 1st round right there.

kakko or hughes.

kakko then my highest rated centerman still left.

if hughes then its one of those 2 snipers whos ever still there at 22 or with a slight move up again.

i love tobias Björnfot end of round 1

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I was thinking last night that he lack of D is going to push Seider up the boards. I kind of think of him as a less developed Jacob Trouba.

My best guess is he starts getting looks in the early 10s and is gone by 20.

Wayyyy less developed.

I love the idea of what he can be, I'm not sure he can get close enough to being that guy to pick him in the top 20.

 

[offdacrossbar]

I was thinking last night that he lack of D is going to push Seider up the boards. I kind of think of him as a less developed Jacob Trouba.

My best guess is he starts getting looks in the early 10s and is gone by 20.

hes taken 20 or higher at best. not before though. no way.

jake trouba and seider is a tough comparison at this stage of the game.

 

[Ghost of jas]

I think all the seconds might be in play for different purposes.

One second could be in play to move up in the first, either from the Jets pick, or potentially a higher pick. I think that pick could also be in play to move up in the second, if the Rangers like a guy.

I think another second round pick could be in play for Fox.

I said elsewhere I would use each 2nd to move up in the first. I ‘d be totally fine with 3 of the top 15 players in this draft. Plus, no goalies in the 2nd round.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Can someone explain to me how everyone is so extremely confident that Newhook will be as good as the top 10 centers but will also be available with Winnipeg's pick? Do you know something teams don't know? Or are you suggesting trading up for something just outside the top 10?

 

[lucky13]

Can someone explain to me how everyone is so extremely confident that Newhook will be as good as the top 10 centers but will also be available with Winnipeg's pick? Do you know something teams don't know? Or are you suggesting trading up for something just outside the top 10?

I’m thinking that trading into that 13-16 range he’d be available right around there... that’s just me tho

 

[Edge]

Can someone explain to me how everyone is so extremely confident that Newhook will be as good as the top 10 centers but will also be available with Winnipeg's pick? Do you know something teams don't know? Or are you suggesting trading up for something just outside the top 10?

Speaking for myself, short answer is that it's all a big maybe.

From a portfolio standpoint, Newhook has a lot in common with guys like Turcotte and Zegras. Similar size, similar wheels, hands, vision, etc.

Or so it would seem...

And that's the rub. Newhook hasn't quite been playing in the same scenarios as guys like Turcotte and Zegras, nor has he had the same quality of talent around him. So it becomes difficult to judge. On the one hand, he hasn't necessarily lit the world on fire in spotlight situations. On the other hand, there are some potential factors behind that.

So for Newhook, part of the appeal is that you might have a guy who is every bit as good as some of the names in the top 10, but who could, for a variety of reasons, see himself go in the mid-teens or possibly the 20s. Of course, with all that said, if someone truly believes in the talent level, he very well could go just outside the top 10.

So with Newhook there's that potential "value" appeal that's driving interest, but we really don't know where he might go. He's not quite the "consensus" pick that a guys like Zegras and Turcotte seem to be, and so that makes him a bit of a wildcard.

And wildcards can be fun to speculate about.

 

[Off Sides]

If it were me at this point, if I'm spending big to move up, it's going to be for Byram, Cozens, Dach, Turcotte, Zegras, Krebs

I see walking away with #2 and any of those players as their 2nd pick in the draft as awesome to the point I'd pay a bunch.

Podkolzin, Boldy, Caufield, Kaliyev, Newhook being those I'd still move up for, yet am not going to pay as much to do so, although I think there are decent odds I'd really regret not paying a little more than I should.

Depending on how the draft breaks, maybe some of them are there for the taking, maybe not. Maybe the cost is super high, maybe I could find the right combo.

Rangers may feel totally differently, maybe they like someone else way more or less than I do, feel the draft is going to break differently than I do, maybe I'm an idiot or just have draft fever, yet I do think they are going to explore the moving up options.

 

[True Blue]

If it were me at this point, if I'm spending big to move up, it's going to be for Byram, Cozens, Dach, Turcotte, Zegras, Krebs

And I believe that if you take out Krebs, those 5 names are the ones that would be the target. No ruling out Boldy, but those 5 are the ones.