Draft and UDFA Thread 2018-19: Part V (Lottery 04/09 8PM EST)

[ManUtdTobbe]

WE ARE NOT DISCUSSING WHAT PEOPLE THOUGHT IN MID APRIL. We are discussing rankings AVAILABLE in mid April. You responded to a post about rankings AVAILABLE in mid April.

Sure, move the goal post.

Also, that’s the only part of the post you respond to, ofcourse it is.

 

[Ola]

A lot of them did and I sent you the proof

I don’t know about a lot (2 of 20?), but thanks for that, and its still very very far from all.

But my bad for sure. I actually think I looked at Eliteprospscts and their summery of the rankings when I compared to where I had mine, and in relation to them nobody (IIRC) had him top 15. I do apologize for that, just tries to keep things straight.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

Correct, i never said that. I said, and i quote "I'm on my phone so i can't search for stuff, none of your links are from mid april"

No, you are misquoting me, so who's the liar? If you are going to quote me, then actually quote me or don't write anything at all. Did i remember wrong though? You are yet to show me a single shred of evidence that contradicts my statement that he was top 15 pretty much everywhere by mid April.

I haven't lied and you are the one who personally attacked me, so who's the liar again? I'm not twisting words, that's you, i'm actually quoting myself when you're trying to put words in my mouth.

How can January-March rankings matter when i specifically said that he was top 15 by MID APRIL?!

And again with the personal attacks, grow up.

WE ARE NOT DISCUSSING WHAT PEOPLE THOUGHT IN MID APRIL. We are discussing rankings AVAILABLE in mid April. You responded to a post about rankings AVAILABLE in mid April.

 

[FireGerardGallant]

I don’t know about a lot (2 of 20?), but thanks for that, and its still very very far from all.

But my bad for sure. I actually think I looked at Eliteprospscts and their summery of the rankings when I compared to where I had mine, and in relation to them nobody (IIRC) had him top 15. I do apologize for that, just tries to keep things straight.

There were 5 and one that averaged the ranking from 11 different sources where guess what he was 15th. If thats not enough proof that he was considered a top 15 pick by most in mid april idk what would

 

[Ola]

There were 5 and one that averaged the ranking from 11 different sources where guess what he was 15th. If thats not enough proof that he was considered a top 15 pick by most in mid april idk what would

Yeah, but this is how you and Tobbe play it.

Mckeen Hockey (14):
McKeen's 2018 NHL Draft Ranking - April 9th, 2018 - Top 31
Dobber (12):
Cam Robinson’s 2018 NHL Draft Rankings: Top 115 – April 2018
The draft anaylst (12) it says June but those were from April:
NHL Draft prospect rankings: Rasmus Dahlin or Andrei Svechnikov? It's 1A vs. 1B atop 2018 class
Nhl draft central (14):
Canucks army did a consolidated ranking of the media and he was on average 15.7 if you wanna get specific thats 16 but that's just semantics: 2018 NHL Draft: Consolidated Industry Rankings for April 2018
All these people had Kotka in the top 15 and I didn't mention people who have already been mentioned.
Found those all on a simple google search

1. The consolidated ranking has him 16th, not 15th. I am sorry but that don’t go well with everyone had him 15, with rankings from 10 to 26.

Why do you write 15 when it’s 16?

2. Cam Robinson’s ranking is 26th April, ie after I posted my ranking. 26 April is not mid April.

3. Steve Ks article is said to be published 9 June. Is that mid April?

McKeens is the only valid ranking that has him 14th.

4. You say 5 sources, I only see 4. Why do you say 5 when it’s 4?

Why? I don’t get it. Well youhave almost been successful running me off the boards with the false info and then the reporting. But is it that fun or what?

 

[FireGerardGallant]

1. The consolidated ranking has him 16th, not 15th. I am sorry but that don’t go well with everyone had him 15, with rankings from 10 to 26.

Why do you write 15 when it’s 16?

2. Cam Robinson’s ranking is 26th April, ie after I posted my ranking. 26 April is not mid April.

3. Steve Ks article is said to be published 9 June. Is that mid April?

McKeens is the only valid ranking that has him 14th.

Why? I don’t get it. Well you have almost been successful running me off the boards with the false info and then the reporting. But is it that fun or what?

1. Its 15.7 are you really going to be that annoying over a .7 difference? He was in the area of 15
2. Fair but its still april though
3. Those Rankings are from april it says it here
2018 NHL Draft Rankings
4. Nhl draft central, Dobber, Steve K, Canucks army, McKeens. Thats 5
I havent said all cuz there are no consensus outside of like the top 2 in most draft, but by April Kotka was considered a top 15ish pick.

 

[ManUtdTobbe]

Sooooooo it got drowned out before...

How does the NA people here feel about the NA D-men behind Byram? I got Harley edging out York, not sure behind them

 

[FireGerardGallant]

Man, this is a year off but I seriously hope he signs here. Wonder if well have any advantage since he grew up being a fan of us

 

[Ola]

1. Its 15.7 are you really going to be that annoying over a .7 difference? He was in the area of 15
2. Fair but its still april though
3. Those Rankings are from april it says it here
2018 NHL Draft Rankings
4. Nhl draft central, Dobber, Steve K, Canucks army, McKeens. Thats 5
I havent said all cuz there are no consensus outside of like the top 2 in most draft, but by April Kotka was considered a top 15ish pick.

Of course he must have been considered to be that high, look at the subsequent rankings in June, but in the published rankings by mid April he was very far from in everyone’s top 15. In that link he is 17 and 18. McKenzie has him 19. In the cases he is top 15 he is 12. In the consensus ranking his average is 16.

I am sorry but it’s just a fact that it’s very very far from lolz he was certainly ranked top 15 by everyone. No actually he was not.

 

[Edge]

Sooooooo it got drowned out before...

How does the NA people here feel about the NA D-men behind Byram? I got Harley edging out York, not sure behind them

Personally, I like York more than Harley at this point. I think his game is a little more refined.

Beyond then you have Robertson, who is steady but doesn’t necesssrily have stand-out offense. I feel like he’s got more to his game than he’s showed this year.

Warren is a kid I have higher than most. He’s more of a longer-term prospect, a little on the smaller side, and isn’t a guy who is going to put up jaw dropping numbers, but I think there’s good two-way potential there.

Korczak is a steady, “keep it simple” RHD who I’d consider in the late first or early second.

 

[Edge]

Man, this is a year off but I seriously hope he signs here. Wonder if well have any advantage since he grew up being a fan of us

From an interest standpoint, that should be a no-brainer for the Rangers.

For Adam Fox, if he wants to be a Ranger, his timing is about as close to ideal as one can get.

 

[brians1128]

Personally, I like York more than Harley at this point. I think his game is a little more refined.

Beyond then you have Robertson, who is steady but doesn’t necesssrily have stand-out offense. I feel like he’s got more to his game than he’s showed this year.

Warren is a kid I have higher than most. He’s more of a longer-term prospect, a little on the smaller side, and isn’t a guy who is going to put up jaw dropping numbers, but I think there’s good two-way potential there.

Korczak is a steady RHD who I’d consider in the late first or early second.

I like Korczak's game, he's a reliable dman with good size. We dont really have much size on the right side so adding that into the prospect pool would be nice.

 

[Edge]

I like Korczak's game, he's a reliable dman with good size. We dont really have much size on the right side so adding that into the prospect pool would be nice.

While he doesn’t have the highest ceiling, he’d be a fairly unique player within our organization. He becomes even more appealing if the Rangers go with high skill for their first and/or second selection.

 

[Joey Bones]

Watch #54 close on Dorofeyev here. 80 and 81 catch up to him pretty easily too and 74 did not seem to have a hard time staying in front of him.

You could easily tell that he was delaying time so his other teammates could go for a line change, which he ultimately did after stealing the puck back. Most likely winded from a long shift. Sometimes highlight videos don't show the bigger picture. I'd refer to a shift-by-shift in that regard then. I'll see if I can find one....

 

[Joey Bones]

I wouldn't criticize his coaching at all - didn't mean for it to come off that way. I think he's probably one of the best around - maybe the best.

I was questioning the goalies drafted. I don't know how much input, if any, that he has in that. I was just mentioning some misses that they've had using premium picks. You make a good point on Talbot and Raanta. If he's consulting on the draft picks then he's also probably consulted on free agency / pros who have been mostly positive.

Oh okay, then yes I agree with where you're going with that!!

 

[Joey Bones]

Bobby Carpenter was one of the worst if not THE worst Ranger player ever. It’s hard to think of a more brutal acquisition than Carpenter. I am glad his demon seed isn’t a Ranger.

 

[Joey Bones]

Because my opinion of this draft is that it's kind of weak after the top 2 and a player like Kreider should fetch more of a sure thing together with a late 1st.

I mean, maybe for 3-5 if you twist my arm.

IDK, it might be really tempting to trade up for Byram!!

 

[Lays]

Sooooooo it got drowned out before...

How does the NA people here feel about the NA D-men behind Byram? I got Harley edging out York, not sure behind them

For my top 2 rounds I have this

Byram-5
Soderstrom-14
Heinola-16
York-17
Seider-18
Robertson-28
Harley-29
Broberg-30
Bolduc-32
Kokkonen-34
Bychkov-39
Bjornfot-43
Kolyachonok-45
Thomson-47
Vlasic-48
Knyazev-51
Nousiainen-52
Moberg-53
Bergeron-54 (second year eligible)
Johnson-57
Honka-58
Korczak-60

Edit-didn’t see you were only asking for NA dmen, bolded them

 

[AlternateSideParking]

Kotkaniemi rise for most began with last year’s February Five Nations. His Liiga play stagnated after a hot start, but he was great in Plymouth in front of a zillion NHL scouts and execs. The April U18’s cemented him as a possible top-five pick. I started dropping him because his skating looked clunky and I was obsessed with Farabee, Smith and Veleno.

Turned out to be an excellent pick but we’ll just have to see if he’ll have a better career than several guys picked after him. Namely Tkachuk, Zadina and Hughes.

 

[Joey Bones]

Some 2nd rounders to look into!!

 

[Lays]

Some 2nd rounders to look into!!

For sure, I’m a huge fan of both. Hoglander was actually the first 2019 eligible I knew of and I’ve been following him since

Cajkovic is someone there’s very little talk of, before the season he was considered a 1st rounder but since coming over and playing in the Q he’s dropped off for some. He plays on a bad team so it explains his production but he’s very skilled and has a rocket of a shot. Unlike typical snipers Cajkovic plays a really good all around game and has a pesty side. I feel like I heard somewhere he has attitude problems and I wouldn’t doubt it. Has the tendency to take dumb penalties as well. He’s not a high IQ player or a good playmaker but he works hard which is a good sign, plays all situations. I would really like him with our 2nd, don’t know if Hoglander drops there

 

[Trxjw]

Was wondering when Cajkovic would get some attention around here. Intriguing skill set.

 

[bl02]

Some 2nd rounders to look into!!

Would you be mad with Cajkovic with our 31st overall if tampa wins rather than risking waiting another 6 or 7 picks into the second round??? If he hits his potential kinda checks off some boxes we need. Right handed, good shot, winger. And hey we need a Slovakian prospect

 

[bl02]

J

For my top 2 rounds I have this

Byram-5
Soderstrom-14
Heinola-16
York-17
Seider-18
Robertson-28
Harley-29
Broberg-30
Bolduc-32
Kokkonen-34
Bychkov-39
Bjornfot-43
Kolyachonok-45
Thomson-47
Vlasic-48
Knyazev-51
Nousiainen-52
Moberg-53
Bergeron-54 (second year eligible)
Johnson-57
Honka-58
Korczak-60

Edit-didn’t see you were only asking for NA dmen, bolded them

Just curious why you have Broberg so low? Would you take him if he was there with our Jets pick at mid 20's? i guess he has struggled after the new year

 

[brians1128]

Would you be mad with Cajkovic with our 31st overall if tampa wins rather than risking waiting another 6 or 7 picks into the second round??? If he hits his potential kinda checks off some boxes we need. Right handed, good shot, winger. And hey we need a Slovakian prospect

With the season he is having it seems like a stretch. He has really fell in his draft year, but he does have upside and a great shot. Hoglander seems much more likely at the 31st overall, hes undersized but there is alot to like in what he is doing in a mens league. You look at some of these other players who get overlooked and drafted in the 2 or 3 round and then boom in the NHL, Cajkovic fits that mold to the T. There are quite a few lesser forwards names that are talked about here that will be available throughout the second round. @Joey Bones I do like and would be happy with grabbing both of them in the second round.