Draft and UDFA Thread 2018-19: Part V (Lottery 04/09 8PM EST)

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Kotkaniemi rise for most began with last year’s February Five Nations. His Liiga play stagnated after a hot start, but he was great in Plymouth in front of a zillion NHL scouts and execs. The April U18’s cemented him as a possible top-five pick. I started dropping him because his skating looked clunky and I was obsessed with Farabee, Smith and Veleno.

Turned out to be an excellent pick but we’ll just have to see if he’ll have a better career than several guys picked after him. Namely Tkachuk, Zadina and Hughes.

Wasn’t crazy about Kotkaniemi last year, and I’m probably still not today.

I viewed him as a guy who could step in early and produce at a solid rate, but who was also the type that could stay close to that rate and not necessarily hit some of the higher production levels.

My view hasn’t really changed much.
 
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I think we are in line to draft at 5th (before the lottery) at the highest. We are in full tank mode now with lots of injuries and dressing a dismal AHLish squad without any remorse. Both New Jersey and Detroit have a slim chance to pass us - but the dead bison carcass upstate is a bit concerning.
 
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I think we are in line to draft at 5th (before the lottery) at the highest. We are in full tank mode now with lots of injuries and dressing a dismal AHLish squad without any remorse. Both New Jersey and Detroit have a slim chance to pass us - but the dead bison carcass upstate is a bit concerning.
The sabres are a f***ing train wreck right now, if they were to win the lottery it would be pathetic
 
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Would you be mad with Cajkovic with our 31st overall if tampa wins rather than risking waiting another 6 or 7 picks into the second round??? If he hits his potential kinda checks off some boxes we need. Right handed, good shot, winger. And hey we need a Slovakian prospect :)

I’ve seen him play some insane games. I don’t think I ever would be mad if we gambled on a talented kid like that. But I think he is the type you really want to do your due diligence on off the ice. Is the compete level really there? The sufficient focus?

When he is on his game he is 1st round material. I don’t think Cajkovic is great value around 31. Preferably he is the type you get after falling a bit.
 
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I think we are in line to draft at 5th (before the lottery) at the highest. We are in full tank mode now with lots of injuries and dressing a dismal AHLish squad without any remorse. Both New Jersey and Detroit have a slim chance to pass us - but the dead bison carcass upstate is a bit concerning.

You gave me a nice half minute laugh, thank you ;)
 
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Sorry for all the spamming, after a pneumuthorax and pleuritis resulting in 5 weeks in intensive care, 2 large surgeries and another handful of smaller ones, and ordered sick leave for another 6 weeks I have way to much time on my hands. ;)

A few thoughts.

Dylan Cozens is the big forward that skates well and has a great shot. I am not that keen at all on that concept. Looking at like a Pavel Zacha and many others, when they don’t hit it off they aren’t contributing much at if at all. The game is soooo much about speed, high intensity and especially offensive creativity. There are many things. You always have to pay a premium for the guys with size and a draft position when you negotiate their contracts. Or so it seems like at least.

BUT, Cozens not only have serviceable flash and dash highlight moves, like so many dominating junior players develop. He has very very good technique overall.

I think you can start to see in these kids how the ‘summer camp’ thing has been taken to the next level. You just don’t hit the ice for a few weeks here and there and work some on your game. It’s many many hours of very focused hard work. Say 10-15 years ago you could see that outstanding drilled technique on like the Russian kids coming out of those elite hockey schools like Kovalchuk and co. Now all of a sudden you see Brady effin Skjei drive up the puck from his own end without so much as glancing down at the puck. You can be Wayne Gretzky, nobody is born with that ability, it takes hours and we aren’t talking about an hour per day for three months. It’s much more than that.

For a kid like Cozens that can certainly be a difference maker in the end. Before goalies worked 24/7 on angles, strategies, pre-set moving patterns for all situations etc. Forwards, they worked on their shot. Accuratcy and velocity. Release. Period. That has changed too. So many forwards has started to work on goal scoring in the same way goalies are working on their game. When is a goalie vunerable? Where should you place the shots in different situations? A shot is often preceded by a little deke, the shooter moves like he is going for one corner and then goes somewhere else. They work a lot on those combinations. How can you make it as hard as possible for the goalie? I know that many experts at this feel that it’s a not that insignificant part of why scoring is up the last years. That can be debated, but it does make a lot of sense.

You can see that Cozens really have put in the work in these areas.

I am never going to be Cozens biggest fan. My initial reaction was to place him more like towards the late single digits or even slightly outside it, even 10-12. But looking more closely at him these stuff are just catching my attention. No matter what, sooner rather than later in this draft you are coming to a point where you just can’t pass on Cozens, whether it’s 3rd or 5th or 7th, it’s so hard to say. But I do think that he is — very — relevant in the range we likely will pick in. Either he goes before it’s our turn meaning that someone else drops to us, or we can take him and get a real quality kid.

I don’t buy the notion that this is a weak draft after the top 2. From my POV it’s the Hughes draft, with Turcotte, Kakko, vPod, Byram, Cozens and Zegras being really interesting players (give or take a name or two, I don’t have perfect track of everyone). That is 7 names, that is good for us. It’s a draft I certainly rather would pick 5-7 instead of 8-9. JMHO.
 
Sorry for all the spamming, after a pneumuthorax and pleuritis resulting in 5 weeks in intensive care, 2 large surgeries and another handful of smaller ones, and ordered sick leave for another 6 weeks I have way to much time on my hands. ;)
Yowza. Get better soon. Best wishes from the Orient, matey.
 
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Sorry for all the spamming, after a pneumuthorax and pleuritis resulting in 5 weeks in intensive care, 2 large surgeries and another handful of smaller ones, and ordered sick leave for another 6 weeks I have way to much time on my hands. ;)

Sounds really scary, but at least it sounds like you are well on your way to recovery which is good to hear. All the best!
 
Still can't believe we beat Toronto on the road...

Boston L 1- 4- Full momentum blowout tonight
Blues L/OT 1-2- Playing great and playing us full rest - I'm actually nervous we surprise here
Flyers L 1-3- They always play tough in the last games when they're out of the picture
Devils W 4-3 - Such an awful team. Half the stadium may be Ranger fans. Might be hard not to win this one
Ottawa W 3- 2- Young guys are playing with a chip but the D and G are brutal
Columbus L 1- 5- The game should count and we should get bumb rushed
Pittsburg L 2-5 - Even if players rest it would be shocking to take this one on the road

2-3-1 in this stretch but hopefully worse, sigh
 
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USA Today Mock has us taking Zegras - NHL mock draft for draft lottery teams: Stock rising, Cole Caufield draws Alex DeBrincat comparison

I get the feeling NJ fans might prefer Byram, and I think Sabres fans prefer Turcotte. So even if you flip them with Anaheim, 5 isn’t an unreal spot.
I can see that. But I would be really disappointed if Byram was not the pick. And would still probably take Dach.

Also simply calling Byram an "offensive defenseman" is offensive. The kid plays both ways and in his prime should be exactly who you send out against the opposition's top lines.
 
I can see that. But I would be really disappointed if Byram was not the pick. And would still probably take Dach.

Also simply calling Byram an "offensive defenseman" is offensive. The kid plays both ways and in his prime should be exactly who you send out against the opposition's top lines.

I continue to believe that most "observers" don't fully grasp how good Byram is.

We'll see how scouts view him, but I continue to believe Byram is the most underrated player at the top of this draft. I'd put Zegras second in that category.
 
Yeah that mock has a few problems, but every year like clockwork the heights and weights are not updated. Takes a minute to find the most current height and weight for a player if you know how to use google.

Bowen Byram he has at 185, yet he's closer to 195 right now. Hey, every little bit matters ! ;)
 
I continue to believe that most "observers" don't fully grasp how good Byram is.

We'll see how scouts view him, but I continue to believe Byram is the most underrated player at the top of this draft. I'd put Zegras second in that category.

Its been a weird season of prospect watching. In November I saw us at #9 and zeroed in on Zegras. Then we were around 7 later in the season and my attention started to shift towards Turcotte. Now with us closer to 3-5, Byram is looking pretty good.

10 days until the draft lotto, gotta quote old RJ:

  • [talking into tape recorder] I'm gonna hide this tape when I'm finished. If none of us make it, at least there'll be some kind of record. The draft's been hitting us hard now for months. We still have nothing to go on. [turns off tape recorder and takes a drink of whisky.] Nobody... nobody trusts anybody now, and we're all very tired. Nothing else I can do, just wait... R.J. MacReady, helicopter pilot, US outpost number 31. [turns off recorder]
 
Yeah that mock has a few problems, but every year like clockwork the heights and weights are not updated. Takes a minute to find the most current height and weight for a player if you know how to use google.

Bowen Byram he has at 185, yet he's closer to 195 right now. Hey, every little bit matters ! ;)

When push comes to shove, Byram will easily play at 6’1, 200+.

From a development standpoint, he’s also a bit on the younger side. He won’t turn 18 until just before the draft.
 
I think its clear we need both Byram and an offensive stud.

Edge use your creepy muppet magic and make it happen.
 
I think its clear we need both Byram and an offensive stud.

Edge use your creepy muppet magic and make it happen.

Trust me, if I could work my will...

Still a bit annoyed that Buffalo is actually a thing right now.

There’s just one of those sad sack franchises where you feel like enough is enough.
 
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I can see that. But I would be really disappointed if Byram was not the pick. And would still probably take Dach.

Also simply calling Byram an "offensive defenseman" is offensive. The kid plays both ways and in his prime should be exactly who you send out against the opposition's top lines.

I am catching up on this year’s draft class, especially the Canadian kids. Many games available out there.

I like Byram better than both Bouchard and Dobson. But I am not sure where the additional hype is coming from to be perfectly honest. He is a very solid and poised D. A little stronger overall than many of the higher touted kids we have seen the last year, but OTOH he is very far from punishing physically and he isn’t unique in any way offensively (like compared to guys like Adam Boqvist and Quinn Hughes).

Byram is probably the top D in this year’s draft. He is behind Broberg physically, but ahead of him in terms of smarts. McAvoy is an obvious comparison.

What I kind of miss is the risk factor when this kid is evaluated. When you get those bigger very talented Ds, sometimes they don’t work out and you get a Jay Bouwmeester, sometimes they do and you get like an OEL. Byram isn’t Ekblad II, a lot does have to fall in place for him to become the next McAvoy. There are no guarantees. Rebuilding team, he would be exposed back there, a lot of pressure. Would be surprised if he is a pick that you regret making, but it’s not a given that he will become a very good No 1 either.

I don’t really object against Bowen being in the top 10, up towards 5. But don’t get why he is supposed to run away from the others and put distance between him and the others. JMHO.
 
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Trust me, if I could work my will...

Still a bit annoyed that Buffalo is actually a thing right now.

There’s just one of those sad sack franchises where you feel like enough is enough.

I feel like Buffalo has never been good in my lifetime even though that's not remotely true.

They were somewhat competitive during the Turgeon Andreychuk and Howsley and also the Lafontain, Moginley and Hawerchuck years. And they were really competitive during the Hasek and Peca then Drury and Briere years.

The last decade has just been such a disaster.
 
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