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Proposal: Binnington for Skinner+

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MicronMega said:
To Edmonton

Binnington
Suter

To St Louis

Skinner
Skinner
Vinni
Akey
Edm 1st
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This is probably too much for Binnington. St. Louis would never get an offer like this unless the team they are dealing with is desperate. I think the Oilers are desperate, so I wouldn't be shocked at a huge package like this going for a goalie though. Who knows.

I don't imagine J. Skinner will waive his NMC though. He wants to play in the playoffs and St. Louis might not be there this year.

Is Binnington even really available right now? St. Louis is still only 4 points out from overtaking Calgary for the 2nd wild card spot. They aren't so far out that they should be selling.

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So basically a few cap dumps and spare parts for Binn.
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A 1st round pick isn't spare parts. Beau Akey is a good prospect, and certainly not spare parts. I wouldn't consider Stu Skinner a cap dump either, he's just a young backup goalie being prematurely elevated to a starter's role right now, and it isn't doing him favors. J. Skinner is cap, but his contract is up this year, it's not long term, so there are no long term cap issues with him.
 
Fixed to Ruin said:
Binnington isn't going to be any better at stopping 2-3 breakaways per game and shots from then slot where the opponents are wide open.
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He won't stop them all, but he can't be worse than what we have, and at least he can come up big when it counts. When have Skinner or Pickard ever bailed the team out? Never. Or rarely, because it probably actually has happened. It won't fix all the issues, but trading for any one player won't. So you focus on the biggest 1 or 2 and hope the team sorts out its boneheaded mistakes. Those breakaways and blown coverage issues are mental mistakes, not ones you can fix by trading for different players. Those types of things should be repairable with some confidence and good coaching. Confidence is hard to come by when the goalies are out there f'ing the dog.
 
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ManofSteel55 said:
He won't stop them all, but he can't be worse than what we have, and at least he can come up big when it counts. When have Skinner or Pickard ever bailed the team out? Never. Or rarely, because it probably actually has happened. It won't fix all the issues, but trading for any one player won't. So you focus on the biggest 1 or 2 and hope the team sorts out its boneheaded mistakes. Those breakaways and blown coverage issues are mental mistakes, not ones you can fix by trading for different players. Those types of things should be repairable with some confidence and good coaching. Confidence is hard to come by when the goalies are out there f'ing the dog.
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With limited assets to trade the best bang for the Oilers buck is to improve on guys up front and in the blueline rather trade than go get a new goalie because he might maybe make a couple more big saves.

Furthermore, realistically we aren't getting a goalie because every team with a goalie who would be considered an upgrade plays on a team in a playoff position or on a team still in contention. They won't be trading their #1 guy anytime soon.
 
People can say that offer is a ton, but like the Ryan Miller trade, Halak and Stewart were pure cap dumps that we just needed off the roster, they offered no value, that's both Skinner's in this deal. Maybe 1st+Akey+Vinni is too much for some, but Suter probably has 3rd round pick value based on how he's played.

I don't think the Blues do it, but in theory 1st+Akey is around where his value would be.
 
Bluesnatic27 said:
Tage was part of the O’Reilly deal.

Miller was traded for a 1st, Carrier, and Chris Stewart. Unless you’re referring to a random pick the Blues got that somehow turned into Tage through other trades. I’m not sure if that actually happened as I’m going strictly from memory while typing this.
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You are right! I did not remember it accurately. Thanks!
 
Fixed to Ruin said:
With limited assets to trade the best bang for the Oilers buck is to improve on guys up front and in the blueline rather trade than go get a new goalie because he might maybe make a couple more big saves.

Furthermore, realistically we aren't getting a goalie because every team with a goalie who would be considered an upgrade plays on a team in a playoff position or on a team still in contention. They won't be trading their #1 guy anytime soon.
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It's not just making a couple more big saves. It's not letting in a bad goal every 2 or 3 games. The number of games we have lost this year because of a bad goal is astonishing. I agree getting a goalie isn't likely, the only non-playoff team that has one is Anaheim, and Verbeeks seems to want the sun and moon for him. Plus there's the cap issue, ugh. We can still trade for a defenseman and a goalie as well. The blueline doesn't need a complete overhaul. We need a #4 who can play beside Nurse. As for trading for upgrades at forward, I don't think that's realistic either. There are very few guys available that are upgrades on what we have, who we could fit into our cap structure. With adding Frederic, our forward core is likely set. The only upgrading we could really do, would involve trading other forwards out, or sitting some fairly expensive players. We need more from those forwards in the locker room. Too many are underacheiving, but we can't trade them, so we have to deal with what we have. So we work to cut down on goals against by giving Nurse a better partner, and by getting a goalie who will help us to be at least average in net.
 
GrumpyKoala said:
The perceived value of Markstrom at the time was much higher than what Bennington currently hold.
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Disagree. The previous 2 seasons Markstrom had before his trade was horrific and then around average. Binnington last season was around a top 5 goalie in the league, and this season a bit below his typical form, but before 4 nations and after the break, he's been great, and obviously riding the high from the 4 nations final.
 
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bleedblue1223 said:
Disagree. The previous 2 seasons Markstrom had before his trade was horrific and then around average. Binnington last season was around a top 5 goalie in the league, and this season a bit below his typical form, but before 4 nations and after the break, he's been great, and obviously riding the high from the 4 nations final.
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I think Bennington is better than what most team will be willing to pay. And that Markstrom was over hyped and much more sought after than his actual value.

It's not a jab a Benner, but I don't think the return will be a first.
 
GrumpyKoala said:
I think Bennington is better than what most team will be willing to pay. And that Markstrom was over hyped and much more sought after than his actual value.

It's not a jab a Benner, but I don't think the return will be a first.
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That's fair, don't think he's traded then. If he's available, it'll probably go how when Buchnevich was "available" last deadline and if a price isn't met, we just hold.
 
BleedBlue14 said:
Am I the only one that likes Akey and thinks this would be a pretty smart move to make given we aren't exactly contenders?

The downside is Binnington can absolutely steal a series or two. But our chances to make the playoffs as is aren't great.

I don't care for Skinner x 2 or Vinni much for that matter. But it checks alot of boxes and assuming there is no retention here it gives us a pathway to make sure Hofer/Ellis is our guy while we figure our consistency issues out.
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I do think Akey is a solid prospect but I don't see him being very enticing in a Binnington deal. I've been on record saying I don't think he is moved at all but it will take a huge haul to move him especially with the little run they are currently on. My post was just referring to the proposal that the only thing moving the needle was the 26 1st, would need more for Army to consider moving him.
 
Even though Skinner may have provided some of the worst goaltending in NHL history for a team making it to the Stanley Cup finals last season, the Oilers seem to like him and think he is good enough regardless of how often the opposing goalie outperforms him and how lousy his stats consistently are. Although to be fair, if they can only make one more deal work, a d-man is probably the priority.
 
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I'd definitely consider Binnington for Akey and a first...but there's no way I'd ever want Jeff Skinner on my team. Stuart Skinner, I'd consider to bury him in the minors or use as a vet goalie when we potentially flip Hofer (I think Colten Ellis is more than ready, and Zherenko isn't far behind.), but I have hated Jeff Skinner ever since he kicked at one of our guys with his skate and got suspended for two games for it.

I'd consider any other cap dump, but not Jeff Skinner under any circumstances. Anyone who uses their skate as a weapon doesn't deserve to share the same ice as my team.
 
ManofSteel55 said:
He won't stop them all, but he can't be worse than what we have, and at least he can come up big when it counts. When have Skinner or Pickard ever bailed the team out? Never. Or rarely, because it probably actually has happened. It won't fix all the issues, but trading for any one player won't. So you focus on the biggest 1 or 2 and hope the team sorts out its boneheaded mistakes. Those breakaways and blown coverage issues are mental mistakes, not ones you can fix by trading for different players. Those types of things should be repairable with some confidence and good coaching. Confidence is hard to come by when the goalies are out there f'ing the dog.
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Yes, replacing a .897 SV% goalie by a .899 SV% is the answer to the Oilers issues.

Whille Binnington was big in the last game of the tournament, I would not sell the farm for one game.
 
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nturn06 said:
Yes, replacing a .897 SV% goalie by a .899 SV% is the answer to the Oilers issues.

Whille Binnington was big in the last game of the tournament, I would not sell the farm for one game.
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It's funny that some people still think sv% matters that much
 
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