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Draft and UDFA Thread 2018-19: Part V (Lottery 04/09 8PM EST)

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Kovalev27 said:
I agree but at worst he’s a monster right shot winger. That’s why I have him so valuable. He can do a lot of things for this current core imo.
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I also wonder how appealing that might be to a team like Buffalo. He potentially gives them some different options, despite having some talent already in place at center.
 
Bluenote13 said:
I don't have him too far behind Newhook, same tier, preference for Centers and skilled Dmen knocks him back a few spots.
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I see your preference, but I'd argue that Caufield is the BPA between the three despite position....

Newhook has looked unengaged in the defensive zone and is barely physical to support it. He supposedly has been a stereotypical pre-draft "head case" that could make or break his development. Although he is posting very exciting numbers, he's doing so in the BCHL. I don't want to view this as a league superiority thing, but add to the fact he hasn't made much noise on international play. Not so sure I want to spend a top 10 pick on him. I think most rankings have him right in the early 20's of the draft. Lot's of question marks.

Caufield has proven he could score without a supporting player and has become the best goal scorer in USNTDP history surpassing the all time record set previously by Phil Kessel and is 1 goal away from tying the single season goals record set by Auston Matthews. He isn't a slouch, either. He gets in the corners and can grind a puck out. Kid is unreal!!
 
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Joey Bones said:
I see your preference, but I'd argue that Caufield is the BPA between the three despite position....

Newhook has looked unengaged in the defensive zone and is barely physical to support it. He supposedly has been a stereotypical pre-draft "head case" that could make or break his development. Although he is posting very exciting numbers, he's doing so in the BCHL. I don't want to view this as a league superiority thing, but add to the fact he hasn't made much noise on international play. Not so sure I want to spend a top 10 pick on him. I think most rankings have him right in the early 20's of the draft. Lot's of question marks.

Caufield has proven he could score without a supporting player and has become the best goal scorer in USNTDP history surpassing the all time record set previously by Phil Kessel and is 1 goal away from tying the single season goals record set by Auston Matthews. He isn't a slouch, either. He gets in the corners and can grind a puck out. Kid is unreal!!
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I like what I see with Newhook, I have no problem with the bchl, and all things considered I see them as really close. Caulfield at #9 would not shock me, nor would it upset me, he's a really good player and was ranked around that spot about a year ago in early rankings.
 
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If we don't win the lottery and we get both Dallas' and TB's 1 RDP, I think the scenario I'm finding most appealing at the moment would be
#6-8 Turcotte
#~17 Newhook (edit: i keep forgetting, if we get Dallas' pick it is going to be in the last four and no way Newhook falls to 23 and Caufield falls to 31 RIP my dreams)
# ~23 Caufield
#31 Cajkovic
# 37 Dorofeyev

also intrigued by the D-Finns Heinola, Kokkonen, and Honka (doubt the later two fall to our 3rd pick)
(now i want a D-FINNS! D-FINNS! chant :laugh:)

Edit2: reality, Rangers win the lottery and at #1 they select Podzolkin :facepalm:
 
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If we don't win the lottery and we get both Dallas' and TB's 1 RDP, I think the scenario I'm finding most appealing at the moment would be
#6-8 Turcotte
#~17 Newhook (edit: i keep forgetting, if we get Dallas' pick it is going to be in the last four and no way Newhook falls to 23 and Caufield falls to 31 RIP my dreams)
# ~23 Caufield
#31 Cajkovic
# 37 Dorofeyev

also intrigued by the D-Finns Heinola, Kokkonen, and Honka (doubt the later two fall to our 3rd pick)
(now i want a D-FINNS! D-FINNS! chant :laugh:)

Edit2: reality, Rangers win the lottery and at #1 they select Podzolkin :facepalm:
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There is no alternate universe at all where Podkolzin goes 1st overall in 2019. Even Chiarelli wouldn't do that
 
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So I guess at this point the best we can hope for is to finish 5th from the bottom. If we lose out and Detroit beats Buffalo in their final game. Don’t know how likely that is to happen. It’s also very possible we screw ourselves and jump the Oilers and Ducks and finish 8th.
 
It’s probably too much to ask for them to lose tonight even if this game isn’t exactly a gimmie.

I’m marking them down for a L on Friday, that game will mean too much for CBJ. Hopefully the Pittsburgh game means something to the Pens.
 
My ideal scenario is to lose tonight and against Columbus, and then beat Pittsburgh in their own barn to knock them out of the playoffs.
 
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The St Louis and Leaf games were nuts. I still can't believe those two 'cup contenders' dropped those games. Especially the Leafs at home...wow.

The difference between the bottom feeders is coaching and Quinn gets a lot out of this lineup to his credit and to our drafting detriment. Look at the Sabres - unreal that staff can't get those guys to show-up to one freaking game. Detroit on the other hand has seen some major growth from their young talent, so perhaps they will keep winning.
 
If they don't get a top 3-5 pick I can see them going off the board and drafting Victor Soderstrom. Based off the Rangers recent drafts they love drafting europeans who play in mens leagues and that's what Soderstrom is. Soderstrom I think is one of the most underrated players in the draft. He has great hockey IQ, he’s a gifted skater who controls all three zones. I also think he has tremendous upside. He also plays for Brynas IF which is where Boqvist played.
 
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Joey Bones said:
I see your preference, but I'd argue that Caufield is the BPA between the three despite position....

Newhook has looked unengaged in the defensive zone and is barely physical to support it. He supposedly has been a stereotypical pre-draft "head case" that could make or break his development. Although he is posting very exciting numbers, he's doing so in the BCHL. I don't want to view this as a league superiority thing, but add to the fact he hasn't made much noise on international play. Not so sure I want to spend a top 10 pick on him. I think most rankings have him right in the early 20's of the draft. Lot's of question marks.

Caufield has proven he could score without a supporting player and has become the best goal scorer in USNTDP history surpassing the all time record set previously by Phil Kessel and is 1 goal away from tying the single season goals record set by Auston Matthews. He isn't a slouch, either. He gets in the corners and can grind a puck out. Kid is unreal!!
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interesting take.

the consensus seems to be there was no reason for his being cut from the national team other than a numbers thing and playing in the lesser bchl (lack of exposure), by most accounts i have read or heard, his being cut wasn't based upon his play or attitude or anything like that. cozens, dach and krebs all made it and look where they play. he was a bchl kid and he was the guy who was cut.

his rankings suffered when he was cut from that team and hes suffering the effects of that now.

not sure where this narrative about his defensive play is coming from. when I've seen the kid play hes dominant in all zones and has never appeared "unengaged" anytime hes on the ice. the barely physical thing is also confusing. hes hardly a physical force out there but he doesnt shy away from contact anytime ive watched him. the "head case" thing is also something new. ive yet to read or hear of anything indicating hes a "head case".

having been chosen to be team captain at 17 yrs of age doesnt scream out to me stereotypical "headcase".

had he been chosen for the u18 team my suspicion is that he would have made a lot of noise in international play. skills wise, hes right up there with anyone who made that team. this kid is perhaps the fastest skater in the entire draft and right behind jack hughes as the best skater. his feet are special.

the bchl has produced some very solid players who all played against that same "lesser" competition.

well find out later this month how he does in international play.

admittedly, ive had him ranked higher than many here and still believe hes the gem of the draft and will be the biggest boom pick. his upside is drool worthy and if hes avail mid teens i grab him without hesitation.
 
GOAT Zibby said:
If they don't get a top 3-5 pick I can see them going off the board and drafting Victor Soderstrom. Based off the Rangers recent drafts they love drafting europeans who play in mens leagues and that's what Soderstrom is. Soderstrom I think is one of the most underrated players in the draft. He has great hockey IQ, he’s a gifted skater who controls all three zones. I also think he has tremendous upside. He also plays for Brynas IF which is where Boqvist played.
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Maybe if they end up picking like 10th, but I don’t see it, after the top 2 you’re looking at a group of (no particular order)
Turcotte
Zegras
Podkolzin
Byram
Cozens
Dach
So take out any of those 3 and you’ll still have 3 left to pick from. I do really like Soderstrom, just not as much within the top 10
 
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Ill be there tonight in a NYR jersey cheering every goal we score but secretly praying for a loss. Losing tonight makes up for one of those TOR/STL wins.

We’ve got to drop all 3 of these games. Hanks playing 2 of them with the way he’s going that helps.
 
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If we lose this game I’m convinced Detroit passes us and we end up 5th. Buffalo won’t sniff another point disgusting as they are. But those games against Columbus and Pitt are important games for them. Those teams won’t give those away.
 
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High hopes for Winnipeg dropping the Central title.

They've basically been a .500 team during the stretch run and could easily get knocked out in the first round. (Though they are 6-2 against Nash and Stl combined this season)

That pick for Hayes which we once thought would be a late first rounder no earlier than 24th, may turn out to be around 20-23, but they need to lose the division. Root for Nashville and the Blues this week.
 
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