Draft and UDFA Thread 2018-19: Part V (Lottery 04/09 8PM EST)

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Quick off topic question
Is the Draft selection going to be televised or announced a week from today? Is it live? Etc
 
Patrick had a major hip injury that's affected his skating ability. The guy has hernia issue. He wasn't slow before that.
Didn’t know he was dealing with a hernia. That’s a big deal, took Grabner like two to three years to get back into form after his.
 
Didn’t know he was dealing with a hernia. That’s a big deal, took Grabner like two to three years to get back into form after his.

I'm not sure if Patrick ever does, but he was much quicker on pucks, and had separation speed in his D-1 year. If Patrick does recover fully, then the Flyers have a 65-70 point RHC. If not, he's a 20-20 guy on a good year imo.
 
I'm not sure if Patrick ever does, but he was much quicker on pucks, and had separation speed in his D-1 year. If Patrick does recover fully, then the Flyers have a 65-70 point RHC. If not, he's a 20-20 guy on a good year imo.

Didn’t know that, still, speed in juniors is something completely different than speed in the NHL.

The NHL game is so fast. Everyone can have high top speed, but to not just keep up with the pace but to be able to push it, be ahead of it, that just takes something else. Extremely few guys Dach’s size can do that.
 
Some people aren’t sure about Cozens as a center. I look at him and wonder how they don’t see him as a center.

It’s really tough to make it in the NHL, it’s very easy to be marginalized. Especially at center. Look at a kid like Howden this season, he is skating so hard, he makes good reads, he can separate people from the puck — but how often does he get offensive chances? How many more pts would be have if he had Cozens finishing ability?

If you can get Cozens involved enough, sure he could function as a center. Otherwise it might be better to move him to the wing, get him higher up the ice and next to a center who is a strong possession driver.

It functions with a Ryan Strome to have a deep sitting role, focus on being a balance player. When he gets involved it’s in high quality chances and you love it. But if it’s one of your more high taltented players in that role, instead of appreciating the times he gets involved you are going to ask where he is when he isn’t...

It’s always a tricky balance.
 
Is it starting to become clear which kids we will see in the U18 and which kids that still will be in the POs in the CHL?
 
We've drafted only 2 Canadians in the whole of the last 3 drafts, and they were both in the 6th round (Barron, Fontaine) I feel like that's a coincidence, but still.
 
Dach is an underrated playmaker. People notice the size, and there's certainly a desire to see him shoot more, but he's arguably one of the better playmaking forwards in this draft. He does a very good job of finding the open man and creating space for his linemates.

Though not nearly as physical as a guy like Getzlaf, there are more than a few similarities from an offensive styling standpoint.

The key for Dach will be consistency. There are times he looks like the best center in this draft after Hughes, and other times he looks like like the fifth best option. He's probably been the most up and down forward prospects for me the last two years. I wasn't blown away by what I saw last year, but then I saw some great things to start this year, then it cooled off considerably and I saw some things I wasn't crazy about --- consistent engagement, skating with the intent of really driving the play, not using his size to his advantage there's less room to maneuver, a few other things. Then he'd turn it back on again.

But if there's one criticism I have about Cozens and Dach both, it's that they don't play like guys who are 6'3 or 6'4. When I say that, I don't necessarily mean throwing big checks and rattling the boards, I mean using their size to back smaller players up. Frankly, they both play like smaller forwards who just happen to be bigger. And if they could both consistently tap into their size, dare defenders to try and stop them more consistently, they could both be considerably more dangerous.

I agree with you for the most part, but the fact that he doesn't play like a 6'4 man-amongst-boys type of prospect is actually one of the things I really like about him. He shields the puck very well, but for the most part he's not asserting himself physically over smaller opponents and yet he's still able to dominate games. If one of the biggest questions is whether or not he can learn to use his size, well, he's going to be a hell of a player when he figures that out.

The playmaking is of course elite and right up there in the conversation with the best in the draft. However I think his hands are his most underrated asset. He has incredibly smooth and quick hands for a player of his size and he can stickhandle in a phone booth. Perhaps the most impressive part is that it doesn't matter how far the puck is from his body, he can make a move with it. It doesn't matter if it's tight in his feet or if he's shielding it from a defender, he can keep it on a string.

I also think he's one of the most complete centers in the draft. I agree he could be a bit more engaged from night to night, but he's fantastic in the slot in his own end and on the back check. Every time I see him I feel like he picks 4 or 5 pockets a night.

It comes down a bit to ceiling with Dach and Zegras for me. I can see both guys as top echelon first line centers, but Dach could be that all situations type of player where Zegras has a longer way to go on the defensive side of the puck.
 
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Some people aren’t sure about Cozens as a center. I look at him and wonder how they don’t see him as a center.
I agree with this. All the tools are there to be a center in big boy hockey. He's insane in the neutral zone and on entries. I think he's going to form a hell of a 200 foot game.

He's the first player to come to mind when I talked about natural centers.

To me, he screams Kevin Hayes but with the skating and finish to produce at an elite level. Who here wouldn't sign up for an 85-point Kevin Hayes?
 
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I agree with you for the most part, but the fact that he doesn't play like a 6'4 man-amongst-boys type of prospect is actually one of the things I really like about him. He shields the puck very well, but for the most part he's not asserting himself physically over smaller opponents and yet he's still able to dominate games. If one of the biggest questions is whether or not he can learn to use his size, well, he's going to be a hell of a player when he figures that out.

The playmaking is of course elite and right up there in the conversation with the best in the draft. However I think his hands are his most underrated asset. He has incredibly smooth and quick hands for a player of his size and he can stickhandle in a phone booth. Perhaps the most impressive part is that it doesn't matter how far the puck is from his body, he can make a move with it. It doesn't matter if it's tight in his feet or if he's shielding it from a defender, he can keep it on a string.

I also think he's one of the most complete centers in the draft. I agree he could be a bit more engaged from night to night, but he's fantastic in the slot in his own end and on the back check. Every time I see him I feel like he picks 4 or 5 pockets a night.

It comes down a bit to ceiling with Dach and Zegras for me. I can see both guys as top echelon first line centers, but Dach could be that all situations type of player where Zegras has a longer way to go on the defensive side of the puck.

Tattoo the bolded on the inside of everyone's eyelids.
 
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Dach will get slower as he bulks up, but he definitely makes up for it in every other area.

The 2015 team was considered fast, but they were perfect at the touch first-pass for breakouts, usually from a winger on the half wall. That traps the forwards and sometimes the pinching d. If you watch Dach, he exectues this perfectly — an immediate counter off something subtle like a stick check below the circles. Even though he needs 4-5 strides to reach top speed, he usually has quite a bit of room in the neutral zone, and knows how to turn that defender around or gravitate towards the strong side.

The thing is, Zegras and Turcotte do the same exact thing, but at an incredibly faster rate.
 
Some people aren’t sure about Cozens as a center. I look at him and wonder how they don’t see him as a center.

I agree but at worst he’s a monster right shot winger. That’s why I have him so valuable. He can do a lot of things for this current core imo.
 
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