Draft and UDFA Thread 2018-19: Part V (Lottery 04/09 8PM EST)
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Dude, I like to be the Debbie Downer of the pessimist class as much as anyone, but really?
Buchnevich has raised his level of play to a top 6 forward.
Strome has shown that he is a legit NHL player with middle 6 potential. And possibly more.
Nametstnikov is a third liner. That is still a position in the NHL.
Fast and Vesey have shown that they are NHL players.
The Rangers lack a second line, but that does not mean that there aren't any legit forwards. And if they had two strong top lines and a strong third line, they they are probably not rebuilding.
So again, what are you looking for?
offdacrossbar
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comments above. seems to confirm my belief that we are void of talent.
they have no top 75 player in the league save for maybe 93.
they have no true top line forward save for 93
they have no top pair dman. maybe 77 ? who knows.
and i dont see any one in the pipeline to fill those voids right now. miller, kravtsov ?? who knows.
offdacrossbar... I don't think you know what the word "fringe" means
Buchnevich has been our best player since around the trade deadline. He's also still just 23 - maybe, just maybe he took a permanent step in the right direction? The injury derailed him which is to be expected. He's not going anywhere despite what you predict
We are lacking in high end talent, but that's why we've been hoarding first round picks this year and last... to get as many chances as possible to draft those guys.
Buchnevich has been our best player since around the trade deadline. He's also still just 23 - maybe, just maybe he took a permanent step in the right direction? The injury derailed him which is to be expected. He's not going anywhere despite what you predict
We are lacking in high end talent, but that's why we've been hoarding first round picks this year and last... to get as many chances as possible to draft those guys.
hence a rebuild. If you had all that talent, you would not be rebuilding.
And like it or not, Kreider. And Buch has been playing at a level of a top 4 line forward.
Can we give some of the defensive prospects a year or two to develop? Or just throw in the towel now?
The rebuild is 1.25 years in and you are having a tantrum due to lack of pipeline? That is what happens when you go all in for 5 years and trade the farm away. And now you spend time rebuilding. That is the natural order of things. I may have hated the trades and didn't think them necessary, but generally that is what teams that are all in do
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By July of 2020 the Rangers will probably have taken between 8 and 11 players in the 1st round including multiple top 10 picks in 4 years plus the rest of the draft and the players acquired through trades.
The talent will be there.
Dark days but hopefully with some sunlight at the end of the dark tunnel. There are no other options right now other than to get as many cracks at the draft as possible and DEVELOP that talent. Some players will make it some will not. There is some direction at least (I don't know about Hartford hopefully that gets fixed somehow).
We didn't have a first round pick for how many consecutive years? 4?!? That's NHL suicide in today's game. Think about that 4 consecutive years without a first rounder. Heck before that Skjei was our first rounder at #28 so that's almost like picking in the second round. in fact some of those years we didn't even have a second rounder. we are now reaping what we sowed with out those picks from 2013-2017
Based off of what I've seen Krebs has superior vision to Turcotte, like it's not even close.
Turcotte is great with the puck on his stick, but if hes opening up those lanes, he isn't threading passes through when those lanes are there. It's not like he does this sometimes, he does it ALL the time.
That is a hockey sense thing, and something that worries the hell out of me. Rick Nash to some extent had an issue with this and he never grew out of it. Sure he still carved out an excellent career, but he was also 6'4" and had the reach of an orangutan. When the physical limitations are there, it's a bigger issue.
Also Krebs' shot volume is pretty decent (around 3 per game, not exceptional, but not bad.) Turcotte is almost a full shot under that. Some of that is because there is only one puck and all that talent on that team, but that isn't the only reason.
It will be there and if it isn't in the end we are royally f***ed for a decade probably
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I mean, Modano is one of the best skaters ever, so I’m not gonna go that far. I’m sticking to my comp of physical Dylan Larkin.
We clearly disagree on it, so I’ll spare the back and forth banter. We can revisit this when they’re both on a bigger stage next month and playing with the best of their peers.
My last comment will be this: Krebs’ shot rate is higher because his team sucks and has to force feed him the puck. A lot of his assists aren’t generated from threading passes through needles either.
Yeah let them tank it next year and all should be good.
Especially if they land in the top 2.
If we ended up with the 5th overall I think Byram could be there so I'm guessing we would have to go with two forwards if we got lets say two more first round picks at 25ish and 31. So would you guys prefer Byram, Lavoie, Hoglander OR Turcotte/Dach, Heinola, Hoglander? Probably the first is a more talented bunch but second might fit our needs ? Doesn't matter anyway because we are landing the number 1 or 2 and getting Kakko
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If we look at the Bruins who we faced last night---they are one of the best teams in the league--at least top 5. They have 3 legit 1st line players--Krejci is a very good 2nd liner and DeBrusk and their puck moving D are really McAvoy and Krug--the steady guy is Chara. Other than that there isn't really anything special about them and McAvoy is their best D but he's not quite Ryan McDonagh good at the same age. Because of Bergeron, Marchand and Pastrnak and Krejci as a for real 2nd line threat though everything else falls into place. Guys on their bottom lines like Wagner, Kuraly and Acciari fall right into roles and are effective because of the working class ethic of the team. So it is important that your 3rd and 4th liners are put into the right situations so they can thrive. That is how a team is made. There are your top guys and then everyone else has to find and fit into their roles.
offdacrossbar
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when we step up to draft these kids i sure hope we swing for the fences and take kids who can skate like the wind and have enormous offensive upside.
smart, fast and talented.
avoid any dman in the first round and god help us if we draft a goalie or make a reach pick ala McIlrath.
take the most talented forward and then repeat that again and again.
no SAFE picks and no character guy and no 2 way responsible players. all code words for less talented imo.
swing for the fences.
smart, fast and talented.
avoid any dman in the first round and god help us if we draft a goalie or make a reach pick ala McIlrath.
take the most talented forward and then repeat that again and again.
no SAFE picks and no character guy and no 2 way responsible players. all code words for less talented imo.
swing for the fences.
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ADA, Georgiev, Lemieux also 23 seem to have taken some big steps this season.
I kind of think that is just how it goes. Most of these prospects are going to take a while and that is why entry level contracts exist, others may develop quicker yet personally all I am really looking for with the youth is glimpses.
Out of the whole NHL, among players who have played 5 or more NHL games, Chytil is the 10th youngest, Lias 21st, Howden and Hajek early 40s.
3 of 4 of them have shown some good glimpses of possibly becoming decent to good players. If by 22-23 they are taking steps as the current 22-23 year old did this season, that is a something.
No idea what Rykov, Shesterkin would look like in the NHL yet if they are taking that step too, also good.
And really I'm not even sure if those are the Rangers best prospects, I kind of think the 2018 and 2019 draft classes may provide them.
Sure it is not pleasant to see the Rangers be outmatched, yet that is kind of how rebuilds go under the CBA.
As far as high end talent, I sure would rather have the Rangers cap structure than that of Chicago or LA who are just as bad if not worse than the Rangers yet also have long term 10-11M cap hit contracts to elite players who are now on the wrong side of 30.
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Totally see where you're coming from with going forward heavy especially with our first rounders but let's say Heinola or another d man like that falls to our third first rounder (tampa pick) you wouldn't take him? Totally agree with the goalie pick unless Knight falls to the third round which he won't.
offdacrossbar
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if i draft a dman i would look at broberg over byram.
i like our first pick to be one of the uber talented forwards and then perhaps come back with broberg in mid teens area if he falls. i can live with that to be honest.
prefer forwards with the 1st 2 picks though.
give me one of these scenarios and im stoked with the 1st round.
cozens and newhook
cozens and boldy
cozens and kaliyev
i like our first pick to be one of the uber talented forwards and then perhaps come back with broberg in mid teens area if he falls. i can live with that to be honest.
prefer forwards with the 1st 2 picks though.
give me one of these scenarios and im stoked with the 1st round.
cozens and newhook
cozens and boldy
cozens and kaliyev
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Turcotte is a fantastic player. His decision making with the puck across center is incredibly advanced.
I’d go even further and say he’s smarter with the puck than Hughes but a hair below Zegras and Dach.
Injuries shouldn't be too much of a concern. Nolan Patrick is healthier in two full NHL seasons than half his draft year.
I’d go even further and say he’s smarter with the puck than Hughes but a hair below Zegras and Dach.
Injuries shouldn't be too much of a concern. Nolan Patrick is healthier in two full NHL seasons than half his draft year.
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C'mon Negative Nancy.
How do you propose increasing the talent level and building a winner? How about accumulating first round picks and drafting talented kids. I don't know what you are proposing. They are doing what they must in order to eventually compete.
I don't see how we are getting Newhook, Boldy (especially) or Kaliyev with the 25ish pick. Those guys will be gone. Maybe Newhook drops like a Veleno did but not that much.
I think we have to be realistic. Like last year some thinking we could get Dobson and a Kravtsov.
I also don't see any chance at Cozens unless we take him at 3! I don't think he will fall to 5 which is where we pick best scenario other than top 3. So if we pick 3 we grab Cozens other than that don't see it happening unfortunately.
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offdacrossbar
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i believe this place over values a few guys specifically byram.
i dont think he goes top 5
the forwards are too sexy this draft.
having said that, newhook flies low under the radar. low exposure and failure to make tourney teams but hes not a secret here. hes a dynamic pivot who is one of best skaters in the entire draft.
i like both the kids committed to BC him and boldy both.
i would look to move up for a dropper or if some surprises and theres a guy there, i would make a hard play for one of kaliyev or newhook after our 1st pick.
if cozens is gone, i avoid byram and look to the next best forward with wheels and skills.
theres just too much forward talent to pass on.
If you want the most talented, the why do you constantly avoid Byram? Do you know how he has done offensively this year?
Your hysteria is getting the best of you now. NO ONE would make such a choice.
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