Speculation: Draft and UDFA Thread 2018-19: Part IX (No Kakko/Hughes Talk)

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My hope is that Bjornfot drops to the 2nd because I believe he's a player NYR will have on their board. A little concerned we reach for him at 20 over other better options.

York or Seider would be ideal, if we don't end up trading up to grab a Zegras or Newhook.
 


Tomasino has really grown on me as I watched more and more of his play. Im definitely on the Seider or Newhook train (Not counting on moving up into the top 10 but would love that) if they were there at 20 or in the mid to late teens. Tomasino would be my next pick after that scenario at 20. I saw our mock 20th and ended with York, I think hes gone before that, the only other forward that I can see challenge our fanbase has been Dorofeyev, but scouts will probably add into that group McMichael, Brink, etc.. Im really hoping they can add a mid teen pick without giving up the 20. I also really like Korczak in the second if you miss out on Seider but think he goes earlier in the second, could see a depth player plus one of the seconds to move up and grab him.
 
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Seider is a weird prospect for me.

There are times I've seen him and he looks great. There are other times I've seen him and I haven't been impressed at all.

But the weird thing it's hard to pinpoint the cause for the difference. Sometimes you have a kid who struggles against unfamiliar competition and eats up the opponents he is familiar with. Other times you might have a kid who operates on cruise control and steps up against a challenge.

In Seider's case there hasn't always been a clear pattern for the differential in his play. He's performed great in situations where I thought he might struggle, but also struggled in situations where I felt like he should be firmly in the driver's seat.

He's intriguing because he can do things you don't often see from a 6'4 defenseman - he can move, he has complete control of the puck, he can move the puck, he can shoot it, etc. But there's a certain thought process that isn't always there and at times I wonder if his unique combination and athleticism helps him mask certain deficiencies in his game. As a result, he's been one of my biggest challenges to nail down in this draft. I see components that make me think this kid could play on a top pair in the NHL, and then I've seen other instances where I start to question the upside a little.

I will say that when you start getting into the late teens and early 20s, his upside becomes very appealing --- not unlike how a lot of teams viewed Miller last year. And like Miller, there's some talk about him potentially going earlier --- maybe just outside the top 10 or so. But I honestly have no idea what the final result will be. I could see him going just about anywhere outside of the top 8 or 9 picks.
 
Are you saying in that order?

Am I off base for being very excited about Seider?
Not off base at all. I think most of us on here would love Seider! I would take him easily over any other dman left at 20. All along most have felt Broberg/Soderstrom will be gone before 20 so I figured it would be between those other 6. Unfortunately, Seider has been rising and hate to say it ottawa at 19 probably feels the same way we feel about him (damn San Jose should have never bumped our pick to 20).
For Me please give me one of Seider-Tomasino-York if we stay at 20.
 
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Seider is a weird prospect for me.

There are times I've seen him and he looks great. There are other times I've seen him and I haven't been impressed at all.

But the weird thing it's hard to pinpoint the cause for the difference. Sometimes you have a kid who struggles against unfamiliar competition and eats up the opponents he is familiar with. Other times you might have a kid who operates on cruise control and steps up against a challenge.

In Seider's case there hasn't always been a clear pattern for the differential in his play. He's performed great in situations where I thought he might struggle, but also struggled in situations where I felt like he should be firmly in the driver's seat.

He's intriguing because he can do things you don't often see from a 6'4 defenseman - he can move, he has complete control of the puck, he can move the puck, he can shoot it, etc. But there's a certain thought process that isn't always there and at times I wonder if his unique combination and athleticism helps him mask certain deficiencies in his game. As a result, he's been one of my biggest challenges to nail down in this draft. I see components that make me think this kid could play on a top pair in the NHL, and then I've seen other instances where I start to question the upside a little.

I will say that when you start getting into the late teens and early 20s, his upside becomes very appealing --- not unlike how a lot of teams viewed Miller last year. And like Miller, there's some talk about him potentially going earlier --- maybe just outside the top 10 or so. But I honestly have no idea what the final result will be. I could see him going just about anywhere outside of the top 8 or 9 picks.
If Seider was there at pick 15-17 would you say he is worth trading up for?
 
My hope is that Bjornfot drops to the 2nd because I believe he's a player NYR will have on their board. A little concerned we reach for him at 20 over other better options.

York or Seider would be ideal, if we don't end up trading up to grab a Zegras or Newhook.
He would have been perfect with the Dallas pick (if they won in overtime vs the Blues) or even our second rounder we traded for Fox. Gonna be interesting to see where Bjornfot goes.
 
If Seider was there at pick 15-17 would you say he is worth trading up for?

Gosh, it's so hard for me to answer that question without knowing who is on the board.

Personally, I think there are probably players I like more in that range and I'm not sure that Seider would be the guy I'd trade up for.

Having said that, I don't think the concept is out of line by any means.
 
Gosh, it's so hard for me to answer that question without knowing who is on the board.

Personally, I think there are probably players I like more in that range and I'm not sure that Seider would be the guy I'd trade up for.

Having said that, I don't think the concept is out of line by any means.
Who do you like more in that range right now? And are you thinking BPA over need?
 
I went five rounds:

2: R1P2 RW KAAPO KAKKO
TPS

20: R1P20 C ALEX TURCOTTE
U.S. U-18

49: R2P18
D MORITZ SEIDER
ADLER MANNHEIM

58: R2P27 C JOHN BEECHER
U.S. U-18

68: R3P6 D TOBIAS BJORNFOT
DJIRGARDENS

112: R4P19 LW SAMUEL FAGEMO
FROLUNDA

130: R5P6
RW YEGOR CHINAKHOV
OMSK
 
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Who do you like more in that range right now? And are you thinking BPA over need?

I feel like once you get past a certain point, BPA tends to become a plural concept. For me, there are usually players who are somewhat interchangeable, with different pros and cons.

Taking Seider over guys like York, Dorofyev, Soderstrom would be difficult if they were on the board at 20. It would probably a bit of a coin toss with someone like Kaliyev. I might prefer Brink over him at that range.

If he's the pick at 20, I don't have a particular mind. If we're trading up and getting into that 16 range, eh.
 
Here’s how mine went
This would be incredible, unfortunately it’s totally unrealistic

#2 Kaapo Kakko RW
#20 Alex Newhook C
#49 Moritz Seider D
#58 John Beecher C
#68 Tobas Bjornfot D
#112 Samuel Fagemo LW
#130 Patrick Moynihan RW
#161 Ryan Siedem D
#205 Kevin Wall RW
 
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