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Draft and UDFA Thread 2018-19: Part III

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JG and GC have their list prepared.

the draft combine and interviews and such will sharpen that list. guys who have terrific end of season runs and playoffs further sharpen things.

in the end, just like last year, the one guy whos highest on their list when its their time to walk to the podium will be the pick.

after that first pick, assuming they didnt move up, i can see another attempt to move up with our next pick like they did to grab k'andre miller- the dman with perhaps the highest boom potential in last years draft.

its a simple formula.

oh, AND DONT DRAFT A GOALIE.
 
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ManUtdTobbe said:
LOL at taking Dach/Cozens over any of the 2018 top 9 (barring Hayton maybe) with hindsight, that's a WOOOOOOF comment right there.
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okay, could you give some insight as to why?

definitely not gonna claim I’m an expert or anything, to me it just seems like Cozens/Dach have higher upside than any of those guys sans Quinn Hughes. I could definitely be wrong.
 
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I'm thinking Nashville wins the division. I'm hoping St. Louis only passes the Jets, but, beats them in round 1, too.
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Don't see both happening. Nashville needs to win division then unless I'm off they play Winnipeg round 2. As long as the Jets lose before round 2 its all good. I mean of course St. Louis could beat them round 1 but gotta give bit of an edge to the Jets.
 
offdacrossbar said:
JG and GC have their list prepared.

the draft combine and interviews and such will sharpen that list. guys who have terrific end of season runs and playoffs further sharpen things.

in the end, just like last year, the one guy whos highest on their list when its their time to walk to the podium will be the pick.

after that first pick, assuming they didnt move up, i can see another attempt to move up with our next pick like they did to grab k'andre miller- the dman with perhaps the highest boom potential in last years draft.

its a simple formula.

oh, AND DONT DRAFT A GOALIE.
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Huh Spencer Knight doesn't intrigue you are 7th or 8th overall? Or at very least 23rdish overall?? :sarcasm:
 
I already know it's not going to be goalies that infuriate us this year in the 2nd round, it's going to be that they pick three overage left-handed defenseman ! ;)
 
I rate Dach so highly because of what I project him to become, not by how he relates directly to his peers right now. He's a bit of a project pick, sure, but IMO he's a project with a floor of Kevin Hayes and a ceiling of an elite playmaking center.

I think his skating is overblown as a negative. It's a work in progress but is better than Dylan Strome at the same age, IMO.
 
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okay, could you give some insight as to why?

definitely not gonna claim I’m an expert or anything, to me it just seems like Cozens/Dach have higher upside than any of those guys sans Quinn Hughes. I could definitely be wrong.
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Because i find Dach and Cozens overrated because they’re big C’s from CHL. Their scoring isn’t top 10 worthy and bot have flaws in their games from an eye test POV aswell.

If we want to ”gamble” on a high upside C in the top 10 then go for Zegras/Turcotte/Newhook.

Going for BIG WHL C’s early is usually not great
 
Trxjw said:
I rate Dach so highly because of what I project him to become, not by how he relates directly to his peers right now. He's a bit of a project pick, sure, but IMO he's a project with a floor of Kevin Hayes and a ceiling of an elite playmaking center.

I think his skating is overblown as a negative. It's a work in progress but is better than Dylan Strome at the same age, IMO.
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Dylan Strome put up insane numbers in comparison to his peers, Dach is putting up meh numbers, where is this insane upside showing?
 
I get it with Dach, i too can see the Getzlaf ceiling, i really do... But i just don’t think the probability that he hits his ceiling is very high at all, i think the likelyhood he’s a 3C is higher then that he’s a future top 10 C in the league
 
offdacrossbar said:
JG and GC have their list prepared.

the draft combine and interviews and such will sharpen that list. guys who have terrific end of season runs and playoffs further sharpen things.

in the end, just like last year, the one guy whos highest on their list when its their time to walk to the podium will be the pick.

after that first pick, assuming they didnt move up, i can see another attempt to move up with our next pick like they did to grab k'andre miller- the dman with perhaps the highest boom potential in last years draft.

its a simple formula.

oh, AND DONT DRAFT A GOALIE.
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Jeff Gorton is pretty telling as an individual. More then Sather ever was to the fanbase. I personally like the idea of adding as many players via draft as they can, however I think this draft will be a differnt one. I think they are going to look to move one of the firsts, or maybe a 2nd rounder for an NHL player based off his recent comments.

He said the team was going to lose some familiar faces. He was going to rebuild it. - He is doing as he said.

He said they will be focusing on adding young players that combine speed, skill and character- He is doing as he said. Kravtsov, Lias, Chytil, Miller, Lundqvist, Howden, Lindgren, Hajek, Barron, and now Lemieux

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He said at some point with all of our draft picks, we’re going to have to look at the possibility of maybe “Moving some”, and “getting some” NHL players in here. The “moving some” I think is telling here. One would think Namestnikov here. One would hope one of the top 4 Dmen can me moved. Im including Skjei on this one even though he has been playing better.

He said the plan is to have some “Cap flexibility” when asked about adding NHL players- Reading between the lines, the Rangers are going to be active in free agency, or even look to add NHL player for the now via trade.

I really think at the draft, pick, plus a prospect, maybe a roster player for an NHL player? Lot's of options for Gorton here. Opens thing up for a team in a cap Crunch (Tampa, Toronto) or I would think that a team without a 1st in this years draft, or a club on the rebuild might be listening. Columbus, St Louis, San Jose, Toronto[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]
 
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Jeff Gorton is pretty telling as an individual. More then Sather ever was to the fanbase. I personally like the idea of adding as many players via draft as they can, however I think this draft will be a differnt one. I think they are going to look to move one of the firsts, or maybe a 2nd rounder for an NHL player based off his recent comments.

He said the team was going to lose some familiar faces. He was going to rebuild it. - He is doing as he said.

He said they will be focusing on adding young players that combine speed, skill and character- He is doing as he said. Kravtsov, Lias, Chytil, Miller, Lundqvist, Howden, Lindgren, Hajek, Barron, and now Lemieux

Looking ahead…
He said at some point with all of our draft picks, we’re going to have to look at the possibility of maybe “Moving some”, and “getting some” NHL players in here. The “moving some” I think is telling here. One would think Namestnikov here. One would hope one of the top 4 Dmen can me moved. Im including Skjei on this one even though he has been playing better.

He said the plan is to have some “Cap flexibility” when asked about adding NHL players- Reading between the lines, the Rangers are going to be active in free agency, or even look to add NHL player for the now via trade.

I really think at the draft, pick, plus a prospect, maybe a roster player for an NHL player? Lot's of options for Gorton here. Opens thing up for a team in a cap Crunch (Tampa, Toronto) or I would think that a team without a 1st in this years draft, or a club on the rebuild might be listening. Columbus, St Louis, San Jose, Toronto
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I expect Kapanen to be a Ranger next year.

I wouldn't expect a big UFA signing. That would effectively end the cap flexibility.
 
The hardest guy to scout is from my POV the kids that manage to break the norm. A Theo Fleury is of course a classic example, as is MSL, Chara and so forth.

For every Benn and Wheeler types, there have been a boatload of kids of that stature and with some skill that haven’t even come close. I would never have pointed at Anders Lee in juniors and said wow that kid can score 40 goals in the NHL.

The best way to try to get a read on someone like Dach is to take three kids like Puljujärvi, Nolan Patrick and Serron Noel. From my POV he moves worse than Patrick and is about as talented, he is a little bit more impactful than Noel, he is behind someone like Pulju in most areas, but thrives more than Pulju playing a physical style. Nolan Patrick is of course really young, but he isn’t looking that fantastic for Philly, right?

At least I can’t pretend that I can spot a kid that can come in and do what Anders Lee have scoring 40 goals, Ferland and the likes. Hence I can of course not say that I am 120% sure that Dach won’t be able to do the same. But I definitely have to admit that I in Dach see a kid who I am not at all sold on will be able to come in and be around the puck a lot be a strong offensive factor in the NHL.

And while Cozen is a bit different type, more or less the same applies. Will he be the next Pavel Zacha or the next Rich Nash?
 
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The hardest guy to scout is from my POV the kids that manage to break the norm. A Theo Fleury is of course a classic example, as is MSL, Chara and so forth.

For every Benn and Wheeler types, there have been a boatload of kids of that stature and with some skill that haven’t even come close. I would never have pointed at Anders Lee in juniors and said wow that kid can score 40 goals in the NHL.

The best way to try to get a read on someone like Dach is to take three kids like Puljujärvi, Nolan Patrick and Serron Noel. From my POV he moves worse than Patrick and is about as talented, he is a little bit more impactful than Noel, he is behind someone like Pulju in most areas, but thrives more than Pulju playing a physical style. Nolan Patrick is of course really young, but he isn’t looking that fantastic for Philly, right?

At least I can’t pretend that I can spot a kid that can come in and do what Anders Lee have scoring 40 goals, Ferland and the likes. Hence I can of course not say that I am 120% sure that Dach won’t be able to do the same. But I definitely have to admit that I in Dach see a kid who I am not at all sold on will be able to come in and be around the puck a lot be a strong offensive factor in the NHL.

And while Cozen is a bit different type, more or less the same applies. Will he be the next Pavel Zacha or the next Rich Nash?
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Well said.

I don't think you have to worry about Cozens being Zacha though. Zacha has no hockey sense and failed to put up numbers even in Junior.
 
ManUtdTobbe said:
I get it with Dach, i too can see the Getzlaf ceiling, i really do... But i just don’t think the probability that he hits his ceiling is very high at all, i think the likelyhood he’s a 3C is higher then that he’s a future top 10 C in the league
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I think that if Getzlaf is his upside, then Holik is his floor.
 
Kirby Dach

I like the player, and if the NYR’s select him somewhere between 8-12 (which is where I think they will land), I will not be disappointed at all because there is so much to like about the prospect. So much footage on him he’s pretty easy to get a good look at him.

Getzlaf Comparable, NO!

One thing that actually bothers me about Dach is the player comparison to Getzlaf. This is not a good comparison. Ryan Getzlaf in his Hitmen days was far more physical then Kirby Dach has been for the Blades. In fact, Getzlaf was actually an intimidating player for the opposition. Just a nasty guy in general, that imposed his will both at the Jr level as well as the NHL level. If anyone is going to use him as a player comparable, I think they are getting it wrong. Dach is a tremendous player, and while he is a tough player to contain at the Jr level, he really doesn’t impose his will on the opposition.

Hayes to me is much more of a Comparable player to Dach. Big bodied, and uses his strength to his advantage. I think he is deceptive when he has the puck, much in the same way Hayes can be. He’s really effective moving the puck through traffic, and makes some really creative passes when it doesn’t appear to have room to make a play. Protects the puck well with his size, and reach like Hayes does too. Not so concerned with his skating, seems like he does lack high end speed but he does move pretty good. He also to me looks really solid in his awareness as a two-way type of Centerman.
 
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Kirby Dach

I like the player, and if the NYR’s select him somewhere between 8-12 (which is where I think they will land), I will not be disappointed at all because there is so much to like about the prospect. So much footage on him he’s pretty easy to get a good look at him.

Getzlaf Comparable, NO!

One thing that actually bothers me about Dach is the player comparison to Getzlaf. This is not a good comparison. Ryan Getzlaf in his Hitmen days was far more physical then Kirby Dach has been for the Blades. In fact, Getzlaf was actually an intimidating player for the opposition. Just a nasty guy in general, that imposed his will both at the Jr level as well as the NHL level. If anyone is going to use him as a player comparable, I think they are getting it wrong. Dach is a tremendous player, and while he is a tough player to contain at the Jr level, he really doesn’t impose his will on the opposition.

Hayes to me is much more of a Comparable player to Dach. Big bodied, and uses his strength to his advantage. I think he is deceptive when he has the puck, much in the same way Hayes can be. He’s really effective moving the puck through traffic, and makes some really creative passes when it doesn’t appear to have room to make a play. Protects the puck well with his size, and reach like Hayes does too. Not so concerned with his skating, seems like he does lack high end speed but he does move pretty good. He also to me looks really solid in his awareness as a two-way type of Centerman.
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I think Dach likely goes before the 8-12 range, but yeah would be super happy to have him.

I've never really like the Getzlaf comparison myself. Dach's still pretty raw too. As good as he's been, and he's been very good, he's a guy I think fairs better when you compare him to his peers in 2022 or 2023 than he does in 2019.
 
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