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If Zadina is still there at 9, I don’t think the Rangers can get to the podium fast enough. Zadina is a player I’ve mentioned that I can see the Rangers targeting to trade up and get.
 
Sarge13 said:
Back it up with substance.

He doesn't have the speed he doesn't drive the play when he doesn't have the puck if he doesn't find the right places to go he looks clueless. That didn't happen this much watching him this year because he was afforded a lot of space and a lot of time and I think that has to do with the competition when he gets into the pros he's going to have to take it up a notch.

And I'm not saying he will never be able to do it I agree with the Filip Forsberg comparisons if he hits his ceiling. And what I'm saying is the same thing they said about forsberg back then that's why he dropped out of the top 10.

Again I'm not saying I wouldn't take him I'm just saying there is red flags, I'm putting this to words so that people don't have revisionist history on this draft. Facts always seem to change a couple years down the road from a draft....
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Facts also seem to change in the month before the draft when no one is playing and everyone wants to over think things. There hasn’t been one person this whole year that’s described Zadina as just a shot. He’s a really good 200 foot player which is why he’s getting Hossa comparisons.

He’s probably ‘dropping’ the past week or so for 2 reasons: teams at the top drafting for positional need and teams at the top drafting for players who can step in right away. I’ve said all year that I think Zadina won’t be able to make the NHL full time next year and after a poorish combine, it seems like other teams are thinking that as well. It’s not the end of the world, but when you’re a team that needs to put people in the seats, you need to give them something after a season bad enough to be at the top of the draft. My only real complaint I have with Zadina is actually the same one I had with Middlestadt, and it’s that both of their go-to moves is trying to dangle people, but dangling people is much more effective against younger players and doesn’t really work in the NHL all that often, so there’s going to be more of a learning curve there
 
HatTrick Swayze said:
Zadina chatter is getting my hopes up too much.

His game screams pro. He’s got a pretty good motor, great hands, and a lethal shot. Probably second only to Wahlstrom in that category but his complete game is just flat out better. And this is from someone who loves OW.

Another fun little comparison to think about is with Drouin. Top picks from Halifax. It’s not hard to see how much more transferable Zadina’s game looks. Easy to say now, perhaps. But I will stand by the observation no matter how things go in the future.

Add in the Chytil connection...HF needs a heart eyes emoji.
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Could not agree more.
 
Edge said:
I'll respectively disagree on this one --- big time.

Zadina is unique in the sense that he plays all three zones and is much better defensively than you'd expect an offensive forward to be.

He's surprisingly a three zone, pretty darn complete player. I'm almost surprised it isn't mentioned more often that it is. If he were a center, people would be really hyping the two-way play.

I'm also curious to see how he performs with better talent around him. Because I don't know if he was necessarily surrounded by talent that completely maximized his abilities.

If I were being nitpicky, I'd probably argue that Wahlstrom is more of the one trick pony of this top ten.
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I think you should use some of the philosophy you use against Koktaniemi - who's almost a year younger than Zadina.

You said Koktaniemi shows he can dominate his own age group, but Zadina is playing in the Q at almost a full year older, how does he get a pass, and Kokt doesn't (no pun) ?
 
Go Away Staal said:
It's going to be a ball buster when Zadina goes 7 to Vancouver, Wahlstrom goes 8 to Chicago and we take Bouchard over Boqvist.
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That's my nightmare.

Koktaniemi is like Johansen in 2010, slotted around 10 for months, goes 4th.

I still say stick with 9, take Boqvist if he's there.
 
Gardner McKay said:
Was listening to NHL Network Radio this morning during my 90 minute commute to work. One of the guys that Stelleck and Simmer had on was talking about Ottawa giving the 4th overall pick to Colorado. The theory is to start fresh, don't have this hanging over your head and could you really live with yourself if Ottawa wins the lottery next year and has to give up Jack Hughes?

In all honesty, if I am Pierre Dorion, I have to at least be considering it. Ottawa won't be any better next year. Matt Duchene wanted to go to a contender. He will likely be pouting through the season as Ottawa proves to be a joke of a franchise (ownership/GM wise) - I do feel bad for their fans, they deserve better. Karlsson will likely be traded. I doubt Hoffman has a good year next year with all this crap hanging over his head. Anderson is 37, he can't carry the team anymore. Ottawa will be hilariously bad, like less than 50 points bad. They will still have a top 4 pick next year. Give 2018 to Colorado.
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At the end of the day they are in a bad spot. Giving up the 4OA this year really hurts. But keeping that and thinking about the possibility of having to give up a top 3 pick next year is probably keeping management up at night. You could argue they will be the worst team in the league next season. Certainly bottom 3. So as much as I'd want to keep the '18 pick you are probably looking at another top 4 selection next June, with a pretty good chance of having a top 3 selection.
 
Go Away Staal said:
It's going to be a ball buster when Zadina goes 7 to Vancouver, Wahlstrom goes 8 to Chicago and we take Bouchard over Boqvist.
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Could absolutely see it. But as far as “worst case scenarios” go this one is pretty ok. Bouchard is not my favorite but if it breaks this way, wouldn’t be an end of the world pick.
 
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HatTrick Swayze said:
Could absolutely see it. But as far as “worst case scenarios” go this one is pretty ok. Bouchard is not my favorite but if it breaks this way, wouldn’t be an end of the world pick.
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It's not McIlrath, but Bouchard is going to end up as a slightly better Cody Franson IMO.

Not a guy I want at 9. Praying that he is off the board by the time the Rangers pick.
 
Ottawa might try to go in and make next year’s 1st not be a top three pick. Karlsson is gone, and Vegas is prepared to take Ryan’s contract to get the deal done. Supposedly, Brannstrom is part of the package.
 
jas said:
Ottawa might try to go in and make next year’s 1st not be a top three pick. Karlsson is gone, and Vegas is prepared to take Ryan’s contract to get the deal done. Supposedly, Brannstrom is part of the package.
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Where did it say Brannstrom? Last I knew, the hold-up was Glass
 
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GeorgeKaplan said:
Facts also seem to change in the month before the draft when no one is playing and everyone wants to over think things. There hasn’t been one person this whole year that’s described Zadina as just a shot. He’s a really good 200 foot player which is why he’s getting Hossa comparisons.

He’s probably ‘dropping’ the past week or so for 2 reasons: teams at the top drafting for positional need and teams at the top drafting for players who can step in right away. I’ve said all year that I think Zadina won’t be able to make the NHL full time next year and after a poorish combine, it seems like other teams are thinking that as well. It’s not the end of the world, but when you’re a team that needs to put people in the seats, you need to give them something after a season bad enough to be at the top of the draft. My only real complaint I have with Zadina is actually the same one I had with Middlestadt, and it’s that both of their go-to moves is trying to dangle people, but dangling people is much more effective against younger players and doesn’t really work in the NHL all that often, so there’s going to be more of a learning curve there
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That's a fair assessment, I can agree with a lot of things you said here except for maybe the Hossa comparisons, but overall I think people really get hung up on comparisons.
 
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broadwayblue said:
At the end of the day they are in a bad spot. Giving up the 4OA this year really hurts. But keeping that and thinking about the possibility of having to give up a top 3 pick next year is probably keeping management up at night. You could argue they will be the worst team in the league next season. Certainly bottom 3. So as much as I'd want to keep the '18 pick you are probably looking at another top 4 selection next June, with a pretty good chance of having a top 3 selection.
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Bingo. The problem becomes ticket sales/fans/players.

If you do this and the more I think about it, the more I believe it is a smarter move, you signal to your team and to your fans that you are 100% certain that they will be HORRIBLE next year.

When you have an owner that is so cheap that the phrase "cheap bastard" doesn't quite do him justice, it makes me think they will opt to keep this years pick and give up 2019's - as to not hurt ticket/season ticket sales.
 
If both Vancouver and Chicago go with forwards over dmen then both GMs gotta go. I know you're supposed to pick BPA but there is no consensus BPA at those spots if you have Boqvist Wahlstrom both available, they are both amazing players in different areas, and you might as well fill a need with Boqvist. This is me trying to logic through why there should be a shooter available for us at 9 lol.
 
I know that prospect of Ottawa dumping everything was floated out there a few days ago. The only way I could see it happening is if they made a trade to get back into the top-10 this year. Like if they said, "Okay, everything is on the table and we're nuking it" and got back a top pick plus-plus for Stone, or Chia gives up the #10++ for Karlsson? Yeah, then they let the Avs have the #4 and they hope for Hughes next summer.

Either way, it's an absolute fiasco for that organization.
 
TheKingsCourt said:
If both Vancouver and Chicago go with forwards over dmen then both GMs gotta go. I know you're supposed to pick BPA but there is no consensus BPA at those spots if you have Boqvist Wahlstrom both available, they are both amazing players in different areas, and you might as well fill a need with Boqvist. This is me trying to logic through why there should be a shooter available for us at 9 lol.
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What if the GM is scared off by a guy who might have medical issues? Boqvist was ranked 4 or 5 a few months back...he could drop out of the top 10.
 
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