Confirmed with Link: Dorion fired. Staios interim GM.

[Mingus Dew]

I doubt that. He’ll get a scouting role or AGM next I’m thinking.

We’ll see. I’m guessing the fact that he committed fraud is a black mark but I could be wrong.

Still stunned by the stupidity of that whole transaction. Call the agent. Anything I need to know about the no trade clause? Yes, it's not valid for Anaheim or other sunbelt team. Really, Dorion said the opposite. He's wrong. Ok, thanks.

GMs don’t expect other GMs to intentionally misrepresent facts to trick them lol.

 

[SpezDispenser]

We’ll see. I’m guessing the fact that he committed fraud is a black mark but I could be wrong.



GMs don’t expect other GMs to intentionally misrepresent facts to trick them lol.

Doesn't matter what they expect, it's a phone call or a text to an agent to confirm details. I do it for MUUUUUCH smaller amounts than a trade involving a multi-million dollar sports player.

There's so much laziness and stupidity in this it actually hurts.

 

[Mingus Dew]

Doesn't matter what they expect, it's a phone call or a text to an agent to confirm details. I do it for MUUUUUCH smaller amounts than a trade involving a multi-million dollar sports player.

There's so much laziness and stupidity in this it actually hurts.

If Vegas called the agent and confirmed the NTC we’d still lose the 1st because Dorion lied to another organization to trick them into doing the deal. That’s what the punshiment is for - the willful attempt to mislead in order to gain a competitive advantage. It’s cheating.

The moment Dorion lied on that phone call the die was cast. Period.

 

[Ice-Tray]

If Vegas called the agent and confirmed the NTC we’d still lose the 1st because Dorion lied to another organization to trick them into doing the deal. That’s what the punshiment is for - the willful attempt to mislead in order to gain a competitive advantage. It’s cheating.

The moment Dorion lied on that phone call the die was cast. Period.

I don’t think we know that he intentionally lied do we?

 

[Mingus Dew]

I don’t think we know that he intentionally lied do we?

I’m not sure how it can be anything else given the facts we do know and the punishment that was handed down. The severity suggests foul play.

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

This is a really weird hill to die on, my dude. Hindsight can absolutely make a move terrible.

Not a hill…. Just reminding the poster who posted

That …. At the time….. it was considered a great salary dump by the GM…. Of course no one ….at the time…. Knew of the preventable mistake that has now cost the organisation a severe penalty.

 

[PoutineSp00nZ]

At the time, the Dadonov trade was heralded in thread or two, as a brilliant move, for the unloading of a terrible contract, which created $4.425 in Cap space.

little did anyone know, at the time, about the omission/mistaken understanding of the LNT clause


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It wasn't about capspace. They didn't need cap space.

It was about saving Melnyk money and everyone knew it. People were surprised that Dorion was able to move Dadonov for sure. But I don't think anyone was ecstatic about it.

 

[jhutter]

Not a hill…. Just reminding the poster who posted
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That …. At the time….. it was considered a great salary dump by the GM…. Of course no one ….at the time…. Knew of the preventable mistake that has now cost the organisation a severe penalty.

A great salary dump for a player that he signed to said salary, lol. It's just like people celebrating PD for managing to dump Murray. It's no different than being praised for buying a lemon for $10,000 and managing to get rid of it for $5,000. The issue should be the initial purchase of the lemon for $10,000.

 

[Tuna99]

Can’t see Dorion having a bright future in radio/media.

It wasn't about capspace. They didn't need cap space.

It was about saving Melnyk money and everyone knew it. People were surprised that Dorion was able to move Dadonov for sure. But I don't think anyone was ecstatic about it.

Dorion must of been telling Vegas from the beginning of trade talks Dadonov hadn’t filed his NTC because Vegas wouldn’t of waited for the contract details until the actual trade call - so misrepresentation probably started early in the process

 

[Burrowsaurus]

It wasn't about capspace. They didn't need cap space.

It was about saving Melnyk money and everyone knew it. People were surprised that Dorion was able to move Dadonov for sure. But I don't think anyone was ecstatic about it.

I actually didn’t hate dadanov. At the salary obviously not good but I thought he was just a fine vanilla dude who didn’t ruin his lines.

That was at that stage of our rebuild tho.

 

[Cosmix]

We’ll see. I’m guessing the fact that he committed fraud is a black mark but I could be wrong.



GMs don’t expect other GMs to intentionally misrepresent facts to trick them lol.

I don't think Dorion committed fraud because I doubt that he intentionally lied about the No Trade and Movement issue.

However, he was negligent in not checking and ensuring he had the information correct. I also think there is more to this story than both the NHL and Senators have told the public.

I actually didn’t hate dadanov. At the salary obviously not good but I thought he was just a fine vanilla dude who didn’t ruin his lines.

That was at that stage of our rebuild tho.

I did not hate him either; however, I did not think we needed a winger at his age at that time. Rather we needed a younger playmaking puck possession center.

 

[Cosmix]

Dorion very likely is a head scout somewhere in the next year

I think a scouting roll is a realistic possibility, unless the NHL has issued a secret directive.

 

[IpsoPostFacto]

The NHL has not issued any media releases about Formenton and not issued any public directives as far as I know. The courts have not found anyone guilty of a crime. Meanwhile the London Police have been at the donut shop a lot!

you laugh, but something will happen at the donut shop, and they'll be there.

 

[Cosmix]

Doesn't matter what they expect, it's a phone call or a text to an agent to confirm details. I do it for MUUUUUCH smaller amounts than a trade involving a multi-million dollar sports player.

There's so much laziness and stupidity in this it actually hurts.

Given the fact that Dorion apparently told the other team and NHL trade people that Dadonov "did not submit his list to the Senators on time", I would certainly check with the player's agent to discuss that aspect. It should not have been ignored.

you laugh, but something will happen at the donut shop, and they'll be there.

I think I will apply for a police job.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Given the fact that Dorion apparently told the other team and NHL trade people that Dadonov "did not submit his list to the Senators on time", I would certainly check with the player's agent to discuss that aspect. It should not have been ignored.


I think I will apply for a police job.

Or is it possible PD saw the list, and went nothing to worry about to Vegas, (Vegas not on it)
not thinking he might be traded a year later again to a team on the list.
Whatever it was incompetence, but that doesn’t stop Vegas from also checking with the agent, before the trade, or over the next 9 months.

 

[Cosmix]

Or is it possible PD saw the list, and went nothing to worry about to Vegas, (Vegas not on it)
not thinking he might be traded a year later again to a team on the list.

Yes that is one possibility to explain what might have happened. However, due to the NHL and team coverup, its likely we will never know.

 

[SpezDispenser]

Or is it possible PD saw the list, and went nothing to worry about to Vegas, (Vegas not on it)
not thinking he might be traded a year later again to a team on the list.
Whatever it was incompetence, but that doesn’t stop Vegas from also checking with the agent, before the trade, or over the next 9 months.

It sure as f*** doesn't.

 

[Ice-Tray]

I’m not sure how it can be anything else given the facts we do know and the punishment that was handed down. The severity suggests foul play.

I think the punishment suggest negligence that cause roster issues for Vegas and Anaheim.

Failure to be diligent would deserve the same punishment in my opinion.

Willfully lying I think would land a much harsher punishment, including direct punishment from the league towards Dorion.

Or is it possible PD saw the list, and went nothing to worry about to Vegas, (Vegas not on it)
not thinking he might be traded a year later again to a team on the list.
Whatever it was incompetence, but that doesn’t stop Vegas from also checking with the agent, before the trade, or over the next 9 months.

It could simply be that PD checked the evening of the deadline to submit the new list, and it wasn’t submitted and so he did a few air punches and figured on making some trades.

He never bothered to check again at the deadline.

That is negligence, but not malicious, nor lying. Just dumb.

 

[Mingus Dew]

I think the punishment suggest negligence that cause roster issues for Vegas and Anaheim.

Failure to be diligent would deserve the same punishment in my opinion.

Willfully lying I think would land a much harsher punishment, including direct punishment from the league towards Dorion.


It could simply be that PD checked the evening of the deadline to submit the new list, and it wasn’t submitted and so he did a few air punches and figured on making some trades.

He never bothered to check again at the deadline.

That is negligence, but not malicious, nor lying. Just dumb.

The last time they took a first was the Arizona thing which was an intentional attempt to gain a competitive advantage by “cheating”.

Kovalchuk before that which was an intentional circumvention of the salary cap.

If this was just a mistake/incompetence/negligence then I don’t think this is the punishment. But we’ll never know either way as the NHL will not publish their report.

 

[Ice-Tray]

The last time they took a first was the Arizona thing which was an intentional attempt to gain a competitive advantage by “cheating”.

Kovalchuk before that which was an intentional circumvention of the salary cap.

If this was just a mistake/incompetence/negligence then I don’t think this is the punishment. But we’ll never know either way as the NHL will not publish their report.

The problem here that makes it different was that there were two teams arguing that they could have and would have done things differently that could have netted them better results past the deadline and into the post season.

Hell Vegas could have been pushing that it could have cost them a chance at the cup.

That’s a lot different than summer time testing and attempts at cap circumvention.

Two teams had their seasons directly, and negatively affected by negligence in Ottawa’s end. Thats a higher punishment regardless of how it happened.

I think the league would have hit PD directly if he had been caught lying.

 

[BigRig4]

0-2 without Dorion /s

 

[Mark Stones Spleen]

The last time they took a first was the Arizona thing which was an intentional attempt to gain a competitive advantage by “cheating”.

Kovalchuk before that which was an intentional circumvention of the salary cap.

If this was just a mistake/incompetence/negligence then I don’t think this is the punishment. But we’ll never know either way as the NHL will not publish their report.

If they're taking a first round pick away, I'm certain that they've got enough information to suggest it wasn't a mistake or incompetence.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

0-2 without Dorion /s

Bring him back

 

[Mingus Dew]

The problem here that makes it different was that there were two teams arguing that they could have and would have done things differently that could have netted them better results past the deadline and into the post season.

Hell Vegas could have been pushing that it could have cost them a chance at the cup.

That’s a lot different than summer time testing and attempts at cap circumvention.

Two teams had their seasons directly, and negatively affected by negligence in Ottawa’s end. Thats a higher punishment regardless of how it happened.

I think the league would have hit PD directly if he had been caught lying.

It’s possible. I’m not sure what personal punishment would have been levied - once the first was taken it was more or less a certainty that Dorion would lose his job. I suppose they could have instituted a life time ban on serving in management positions or something? But is there any precedent for that? I have no idea.

There are a lot of odd facts. Dorion taking the trade call alone. McTavish leaving right after the trade went down. Vegas and the league pursuing this so aggressively.

I think Dorion rolled the dice and hoped that Vegas just wouldn’t trade him to someone on the list. He learned from Melnyk after all.

 

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