Management Don Sweeney V

[DKH]

I don't understand what this has to do with my post.

Captain Sone says all the prospects suck and I'm assuming he's a hockey savant

So if that's true we keep Chara and reup him

Plus reading this thread it sounds like Sweeney's getting fired.

If Sweeney gets fired and the prospects all blow maybe Chara can play and coach

Red Kelly did it

Chara speaks 5 languages and is great with young players I would love to see them think of this if Jacobs decisions are influenced by this thread

 

[Number8]

The looney quotient is very very high in this thread right now. Holy smokes!

 

[jgatie]

How long you been watching the Bruins?

You said you watched the 1981 Islanders play yet you want this guy fired before 2 years.

You Are telling me you been watching Bruins hockey for at least 35 years and you think this guy is doing a crap job

I'm wondering why Sweeney doesn't know what he knows like CHIARELLI did.

 

[DKH]

The looney quotient is very very high in this thread right now. Holy smokes!

Speaking of Don- I'm watching Bjork

Scouts in section 1

Haven't seen Boston guys but recognize one East scout

Forgot Michael Babcock on Merrimack

 

[22Brad Park]

Who should he have sold and for what return? Playoff teams dont trade nhl ready talent.

Dougie may been able to be shopped for a more nhl ready player but the return as a whole was a great grab.

If we are trying not to "waste the core" who gets traded for any real returns?

Prospects are the answer, which we NOW have an abundance of. Before a trade for a guy like landeskog, duchene etc wouldve gutted our pool, now we have currency(picks, many prospects, players like spooner etc) who can be packaged to get reinforcements for the core to make a run.

While signing a supporting cast(backes, moore) and spooner, pasta, czarnik and vatrano filling that youth/speed/secondary scoring we have been missing while adding other pieces needed for a run (penalty kill grit guys) who can skate and score more than some other past 4th line staples.

Fancy stats say we are one of if not the best possession and least lucky scoring team in the league.

Tuukka is carrying the team and he sent the vet (dobby) down to let youth back him up, and mcintyre looks better and if he is playing poor at least him is learning against nhlers and growing rather than loosing games and being washed up like dobby looked to be.

The top 6 is getting crowded with vatrano scoring again and spooner-czarnik add valuable depth scoring. We are one (year) top4 d (mcavoy) away from having an awesome balance with shut down(chara, carlo) and speed(mcavoy and krug). Even if mcavoy struggles colin miller is looking like a growing 4-5 who is getting better quick.


Questioning action is ok. we clearly need a few moves, but until now i dont think we had the currency to make the moves. Sweeney has done 3/4 of the work now he needs to cash in some prospects and make sure the right ones can stay and grow into impact players.

REALLY.??you mention a pile of names and secondary scoring Then right behind it mention they are one of the least lucky scoring teams in NHL...McAvoy better be a stud and I mean top pairing. .We are wasting core yrs of good players during the wait.

 

[22Brad Park]

Captain Sone says all the prospects suck and I'm assuming he's a hockey savant

So if that's true we keep Chara and reup him

Plus reading this thread it sounds like Sweeney's getting fired.

If Sweeney gets fired and the prospects all blow maybe Chara can play and coach

Red Kelly did it

Chara speaks 5 languages and is great with young players I would love to see them think of this if Jacobs decisions are influenced by this thread

We shall see.3 years no playoffs will bother JJ.

 

[DKH]

We shall see.3 years no playoffs will bother JJ.

Wasn't Chiarelli the GM year one or do we do the HF math and just add it to Sweeney

I read your constant complaints and you clearly have Sweeney in year 3

 

[DKH]

Not one of JFK, Senyshyn, Bjork, DeBust, Heinen, Gabrielle will ever be top-6 or maybe even top-9 forwards.

Doesn't the constant pimping of all these over-drafted Ruins prospects, only to see almost all of them fail miserably,
get tiring after a while?

Nancy, I saw Bjork play tonight looked like a top 6

That DeBust is awesome

 

[reffree]

Not one of JFK, Senyshyn, Bjork, DeBust, Heinen, Gabrielle will ever be top-6 or maybe even top-9 forwards.

Doesn't the constant pimping of all these over-drafted Ruins prospects, only to see almost all of them fail miserably,
get tiring after a while?

1st, while our prospect are terribly overrated here, it's like this everywhere. Go on every teams board and you'll see some fans pencil in the top 6 offense and top 4 defense all with prospect and saying how the future looks good and 5 years later half those guys won't even be playing in the league. But, while there is absolutely no garantee about every prospect you name being future top 6, we would have to be unlucky to have none of them doing it imho and I absolutly think a couple of them will be top 9 guys.

The problem is those guy will have to replace Chara, Bergeron, Krejci and of course there's a really high % the team will loose alot in that transition. Thinking about it now it's sad to have lost Seguin and Hamilton, but I really enjoyed this team for almost the last decade. We even won a Cup with this team. In 2013 I start to realise that might actually be the best Bruins core I would ever see and I should enjoy every game and every playoff round. That's what I did and even if the future doesn't look too bright, I'm glad I could have see that 2008-2014 team played almost every day.

 

[Era of Sanity]

1st, while our prospect are terribly overrated here, it's like this everywhere. Go on every teams board and you'll see some fans pencil in the top 6 offense and top 4 defense all with prospect and saying how the future looks good and 5 years later half those guys won't even be playing in the league. But, while there is absolutely no garantee about every prospect you name being future top 6, we would have to be unlucky to have none of them doing it imho and I absolutly think a couple of them will be top 9 guys.

The problem is those guy will have to replace Chara, Bergeron, Krejci and of course there's a really high % the team will loose alot in that transition. Thinking about it now it's sad to have lost Seguin and Hamilton, but I really enjoyed this team for almost the last decade. We even won a Cup with this team. In 2013 I start to realise that might actually be the best Bruins core I would ever see and I should enjoy every game and every playoff round. That's what I did and even if the future doesn't look too bright, I'm glad I could have see that 2008-2014 team played almost every day.

good post, I have noticed the same patterns with other fan bases. More than likely a few will make it and contribute, some that the organization has hopes for in their junior and college careers won't. I do think the prospect pool looks pretty good overall but yes we will need some hits to maintain even our current level as some of our best players have teed off on the back nine.

 

[DKH]

1st, while our prospect are terribly overrated here, it's like this everywhere. Go on every teams board and you'll see some fans pencil in the top 6 offense and top 4 defense all with prospect and saying how the future looks good and 5 years later half those guys won't even be playing in the league. But, while there is absolutely no garantee about every prospect you name being future top 6, we would have to be unlucky to have none of them doing it imho and I absolutly think a couple of them will be top 9 guys.

The problem is those guy will have to replace Chara, Bergeron, Krejci and of course there's a really high % the team will loose alot in that transition. Thinking about it now it's sad to have lost Seguin and Hamilton, but I really enjoyed this team for almost the last decade. We even won a Cup with this team. In 2013 I start to realise that might actually be the best Bruins core I would ever see and I should enjoy every game and every playoff round. That's what I did and even if the future doesn't look too bright, I'm glad I could have see that 2008-2014 team played almost every day.

awesome timing



Watching Bjork at Merrimack I was told I OFTEN under rate them

It was pointed out

1. Carlo- I said and posted 60-100 AHL games and even though gushed about him last April watching him live in the AHL playoffs I said would need at least tell February

Wrong and undervalued

2. Pastrnak- thought needed more strength and consistency. My assessment was 20-25 goals IF everything went right and in next 2 years 30 is reasonable. Goal slump aside I'm lying if I thought he would be as good he is.

Wrong and undervalued

3. Vatrano- after watching him in Providence in October light it up and impressed I wondered if he could get his shot off in NHL - bigger D with better mobility and sticks could curtail that. I also said about him being a tank and playing in dirty areas he was 'small tank' who I wasn't sure could handle the terrain

Wrong and undervalued

4. Czarnik- loved in Providence but thought to small and a gear less than Johnson or Gudreau. Wasn't sure would stick

Wrong and undervalued

5. Blidh- same view of like ability as Czarnik but wasn't sure his skating was good enough. I figured maybe 10 games but his skating a likely bad penalty or two and lack of scoring ability would very quickly hsve him heading South past Gillette

Wrong and undervalued

I can go on from my view is Marchand

4th liner 7 goal **** sturber

As someone who played on multiple state champs and captain of HS team said to me last night - you don't over rate you DEFEND them from those bleep holes

I notice a lot of comments with zero backup

Apparently the new way is to say something like

'Everyone overrates our prospects and doesn't tell us who or why

please add something to this pompous quote

 

[BNHL]

awesome timing



Watching Bjork at Merrimack I was told I OFTEN under rate them

It was pointed out

1. Carlo- I said and posted 60-100 AHL games and even though gushed about him last April watching him live in the AHL playoffs I said would need at least tell February

Wrong and undervalued

2. Pastrnak- thought needed more strength and consistency. My assessment was 20-25 goals IF everything went right and in next 2 years 30 is reasonable. Goal slump aside I'm lying if I thought he would be as good he is.

Wrong and undervalued

3. Vatrano- after watching him in Providence in October light it up and impressed I wondered if he could get his shot off in NHL - bigger D with better mobility and sticks could curtail that. I also said about him being a tank and playing in dirty areas he was 'small tank' who I wasn't sure could handle the terrain

Wrong and undervalued

4. Czarnik- loved in Providence but thought to small and a gear less than Johnson or Gudreau. Wasn't sure would stick

Wrong and undervalued

5. Blidh- same view of like ability as Czarnik but wasn't sure his skating was good enough. I figured maybe 10 games but his skating a likely bad penalty or two and lack of scoring ability would very quickly hsve him heading South past Gillette

Wrong and undervalued

I can go on from my view is Marchand

4th liner 7 goal **** sturber

As someone who played on multiple state champs and captain of HS team said to me last night - you don't over rate you DEFEND them from those bleep holes

I notice a lot of comments with zero backup

Apparently the new way is to say something like

'Everyone overrates our prospects and doesn't tell us who or why

please add something to this pompous quote

For me,evaluating every one of those players right now is premature. Carlo is probably the most certain evaluation at this time,but he's mostly had the benefit of Chara.

 

[ODAAT]

For me,evaluating every one of those players right now is premature. Carlo is probably the most certain evaluation at this time,but he's mostly had the benefit of Chara.

sure he has but a strong argument can be made that having a partner like Carlo who, on most shifts/nights can be trusted to make the right play has definitely benefited Z.

It`s simply allowed him (Z) to focus on his game and not be nearly as concerned about having to slide over to rescue his partner which I found to be the case far too often last year with Trotman

 

[BNHL]

sure he has but a strong argument can be made that having a partner like Carlo who, on most shifts/nights can be trusted to make the right play has definitely benefited Z.

It`s simply allowed him (Z) to focus on his game and not be nearly as concerned about having to slide over to rescue his partner which I found to be the case far too often last year with Trotman

Maybe true,I noticed that when Chara went down for a few games,the GAA of the team went down and Carlo was playing well. Then Chara came back and the first few games the GAA went up and Carlo's struggles began. Might be coincidence.

 

[ODAAT]

Maybe true,I noticed that when Chara went down for a few games,the GAA of the team went down and Carlo was playing well. Then Chara came back and the first few games the GAA went up and Carlo's struggles began. Might be coincidence.

hard to know, I continue to be amazed that I`m watching a barely 20 year old competing, and not looking lost. Also amazed that a 6`5 kid is that mobile.

I know things are frustrating right now for most of us, but envisioning a future with McAvoy, Carlo and some other nice looking kids back there is exciting

 

[BNHL]

hard to know, I continue to be amazed that I`m watching a barely 20 year old competing, and not looking lost. Also amazed that a 6`5 kid is that mobile.

I know things are frustrating right now for most of us, but envisioning a future with McAvoy, Carlo and some other nice looking kids back there is exciting

I like Carlo,I don't see the mind boggling mental errors I saw with Hamilton. I see a more tempered,intelligent player. I'm looking forward to see what he becomes. I'd like a little more nasty.

 

[ODAAT]

I like Carlo,I don't see the mind boggling mental errors I saw with Hamilton. I see a more tempered,intelligent player. I'm looking forward to see what he becomes. I'd like a little more nasty.

Me too but I`m not sure that`s part of his game? Julien insulated his minutes a bit over the last few weeks, I think moving him down to the 5/6 pairing and what I loved about Carlo was his response, and for my money, I would bet Hamilton wouldn`t have either understood why he was being pushed down the depth chart nor respond the way Carlo has

 

[BNHL]

Me too but I`m not sure that`s part of his game? Julien insulated his minutes a bit over the last few weeks, I think moving him down to the 5/6 pairing and what I loved about Carlo was his response, and for my money, I would bet Hamilton wouldn`t have either understood why he was being pushed down the depth chart nor respond the way Carlo has

Doesn't look like "nasty" is a natural attribute. Very difficult to ask players to bring what they don't naturally have,on a consistent basis.

 

[ODAAT]

Doesn't look like "nasty" is a natural attribute. Very difficult to ask players to bring what they don't naturally have,on a consistent basis.

agreed, I remember having issues years ago with Gill, big body, no nasty. I dismissed him and his game and lost zero sleep over him not wearing a spoked B who went on to be a solid NHL`er who played valuable roles for other teams

 

[BNHL]

agreed, I remember having issues years ago with Gill, big body, no nasty. I dismissed him and his game and lost zero sleep over him not wearing a spoked B who went on to be a solid NHL`er who played valuable roles for other teams

In Gill's case,he was much maligned for things beyond his control. He was probably a #4 defenseman who was put into a top defenseman role. I liked him and appreciated the fact that he was miscast. Because of his size and expectations he got sucked into fights with Chara,Kocur,Primeau,Barnaby,Worrell etc. I remember at his first camp he got ambushed by a lunk head named Eric Naud who was trying to make a name for himself in his first camp and it pissed Pat Burns off.

 

[Dr Hook]

agreed, I remember having issues years ago with Gill, big body, no nasty. I dismissed him and his game and lost zero sleep over him not wearing a spoked B who went on to be a solid NHL`er who played valuable roles for other teams

In Gill's case,he was much maligned for things beyond his control. He was probably a #4 defenseman who was put into a top defenseman role. I liked him and appreciated the fact that he was miscast. Because of his size and expectations he got sucked into fights with Chara,Kocur,Primeau,Barnaby,Worrell etc. I remember at his first camp he got ambushed by a lunk head named Eric Naud who was trying to make a name for himself in his first camp and it pissed Pat Burns off.

I remember calling Hal the "Gentle Giant." I really liked him as a player, though I did wish he had a bit of Pronger or D. Hatcher in him to go with that size. It just wasn't who he was. He was good at what he was, though, a solid positional stay-at-home d-man with a great reach and strength. I was sad to see him go.

EDIT: Since this is a Sweeney thread, okay, if Carlo turns out to be a slightly smaller but more mobile Hal Gill, I still think we have a good player and did well with that draft pick.

 

[Sharp Shooting Neely]

Continue to read many comments and nasty shots at Sweeny with calls for an immediate firing for not making trades, especially the block buster variety, to put them over the top. The last significant trade that comes to mind is Jones for Johanson. What other GM has made a trade, let alone a blockbuster, since then?

Takes two willing teams to make any trade. Wish away at wanting it to happen but if nobody is or simply can't step up to be that 2nd party to make it happen just how does it or can it materialize? Of course he could go the Thorton or Seguin route and give a player away for a questionable return. Then cue the cannon fodder onslaught from the same folks with the unrealistic wants in the first place.

 

[BNHL]

I remember calling Hal the "Gentle Giant." I really liked him as a player, though I did wish he had a bit of Pronger or D. Hatcher in him to go with that size. It just wasn't who he was. He was good at what he was, though, a solid positional stay-at-home d-man with a great reach and strength. I was sad to see him go.

EDIT: Since this is a Sweeney thread, okay, if Carlo turns out to be a slightly smaller but more mobile Hal Gill, I still think we have a good player and did well with that draft pick.

I also think Gill was a player with limited skills,but also some unique ones. I think Carlo is more talented.

 

[Dr Hook]

I also think Gill was a player with limited skills,but also some unique ones. I think Carlo is more talented.

I would agree with that- I think Carlo is a better puck handler for sure, but for Carlo to be even just as good as Hal in terms of where he maxes out and fits on our team (with a bit of a different skill set), I think we have a good player and made a good draft choice. At 20, I think and hope Carlo will be better than Hal

 

[LouJersey]

Continue to read many comments and nasty shots at Sweeny with calls for an immediate firing for not making trades, especially the block buster variety, to put them over the top. The last significant trade that comes to mind is Jones for Johanson. What other GM has made a trade, let alone a blockbuster, since then?

Takes two willing teams to make any trade. Wish away at wanting it to happen but if nobody is or simply can't step up to be that 2nd party to make it happen just how does it or can it materialize? Of course he could go the Thorton or Seguin route and give a player away for a questionable return. Then cue the cannon fodder onslaught from the same folks with the unrealistic wants in the first place.

You had that and the hall for Larsson. I'm sure you could do Carlo plus a little something for Landeskog if you wanted. Sounds like he will be a King eventually though. There is nothing that has happened at all this season. Zero trades missed out on.