Management Don Sweeney V

[BruinDust]

Also complaining about the uneven play of the roster. It's full of youngsters making mistakes.

It's also full of veterans making mistakes as well.

 

[BruinDust]

Yeah, well, sometimes when you are the ACTUAL GM, and not some fan sitting at a keyboard criticizing with no actual repercussions, things take a little longer

I'm just glad to see some movement finally.

That's all we'll likely see however. Blidh will go back down when Belesky is ready provided no one else gets hurt in the meantime.

 

[finchster]

It's not about 'instant gratification' that's geriatrics yelling at the kids on their lawn.

It's seeing the direction and moves of the team and disagreeing. It's about seeing the moves made and not having faith. Even if some youngsters arrive next year, it will take a few years for them to develop and hit their peak. It's believing by the time the youth arrives, the core will be too old. Simply put, it's seeing the plan, seeing it's faults, and wanting something else.

But of course, anecdotes about watering lawn, growing potatoes, and renting movies from Blockbuster go over well with the group of fans who grew up during the depression.

 

[GloryDaze4877]

It's not about 'instant gratification' that's geriatrics yelling at the kids on their lawn.

It's seeing the direction and moves of the team and disagreeing. It's about seeing the moves made and not having faith. Even if some youngsters arrive next year, it will take a few years for them to develop and hit their peak. It's believing by the time the youth arrives, the core will be too old. Simply put, it's seeing the plan, seeing it's faults, and wanting something else.

But of course, anecdotes about watering lawn, growing potatoes, and renting movies from Blockbuster go over well with the group of fans who grew up during the depression.

The difference between you and I (not the only one I'm sure) is that I thought the B's current core was done the year they won the Prez Trophy, then lost in the first round. The youth that is arriving in the next few years (and the ones that are already here) will be the core of the next group. That's what I'm looking at.

 

[finchster]

The difference between you and I (not the only one I'm sure) is that I thought the B's current core was done the year they won the Prez Trophy, then lost in the first round. The youth that is arriving in the next few years (and the ones that are already here) will be the core of the next group. That's what I'm looking at.

Well back in August of 2014, I was calling the Bruins a potential bubble team to make the playoffs. http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=88710961&postcount=172. So I don't think I overestimated the talent or the core on the team. Calling the Bruins a bubble team to make the playoffs that year after winning the Presidents Trophy wasn't really a popular or common opinion.

My fear is the Bruins remain mediocre and continue to tread water; Sweeney needs to make a deal to add a major talent. That was the point of getting the three first round picks to begin with, to move up and get Hanifin. Had he done that, I'd probably be singing his praises. Sports is a results based business and I am sure there are many GM's who could've been Sam Pollock if they got some of the trades they planned.

However, what I see now is the goal posts being moved. When Lucic and Hamilton were traded, plenty of posters called it a 'retool on the fly'. This was supposed to be a 2 year operation where the Bruins got some young talent to supplement the current core. However, if the goal is to build the new core, that is a full rebuild. If you think of this as a full rebuild, then all players from the old core should be open for trades. Even if locals think the Bruins can't afford to be irrelevant in the market, they are already becoming irrelevant with their play anyway.

 

[Duguay]

Well back in August of 2014, I was calling the Bruins a potential bubble team to make the playoffs. http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=88710961&postcount=172. So I don't think I overestimated the talent or the core on the team. Calling the Bruins a bubble team to make the playoffs that year after winning the Presidents Trophy wasn't really a popular or common opinion.

My fear is the Bruins remain mediocre and continue to tread water; Sweeney needs to make a deal to add a major talent. That was the point of getting the three first round picks to begin with, to move up and get Hanifin. Had he done that, I'd probably be singing his praises. Sports is a results based business and I am sure there are many GM's who could've been Sam Pollock if they got some of the trades they planned.

However, what I see now is the goal posts being moved. When Lucic and Hamilton were traded, plenty of posters called it a 'retool on the fly'. This was supposed to be a 2 year operation where the Bruins got some young talent to supplement the current core. However, if the goal is to build the new core, that is a full rebuild. If you think of this as a full rebuild, then all players from the old core should be open for trades. Even if locals think the Bruins can't afford to be irrelevant in the market, they are already becoming irrelevant with their play anyway.

Sweeney is going to need to pull one out of a hat, and I haven't seen anything from him that makes me believe that he can.

 

[SpitfireIX]

I remember when everyone was calling for Chiarelli's head for his "evaluation process" Sweeney seems to have take the process to a whole other level. I think he might have some typos on his GM contact list or something because it sure has been a while since he has made a move of significance...

 

[ODAAT]

I remember when everyone was calling for Chiarelli's head for his "evaluation process" Sweeney seems to have take the process to a whole other level. I think he might have some typos on his GM contact list or something because it sure has been a while since he has made a move of significance...

I`d agree more if I was watching a host of other teams wheeling and dealing but I`m not seeing that.

Too many here think making a deal, in spite of glaring holes that need to be filled is as simple as making one call

I`m not defending Sweeney, I haven`t liked all his moves but I can see the plan he has, it`s more about investing in the long term future of this team via strong drafting, from the D out and I like the crop of kids he and his scouts have chosen over their last 2 drafts.

I haven`t liked the Miller/Quaider contracts, Rinaldo etc...

 

[the overrated]

I`d agree more if I was watching a host of other teams wheeling and dealing but I`m not seeing that.

Too many here think making a deal, in spite of glaring holes that need to be filled is as simple as making one call

I`m not defending Sweeney, I haven`t liked all his moves but I can see the plan he has, it`s more about investing in the long term future of this team via strong drafting, from the D out and I like the crop of kids he and his scouts have chosen over their last 2 drafts.

I haven`t liked the Miller/Quaider contracts, Rinaldo etc...

I'm not sure I agree with the bolded's logic, ODAAT. How many other teams have failed to make the playoffs the past two years, have shown brutal lethargy and/or apathy from their players at times, had their owner make a declaration of a "deep playoff run", etc.?

Not all teams will feel the same motivation to make moves. The B's, IMHO, should be one of the more motivated teams to do so. Someone's got to pick up the phone and start the conversations, should be Sweeney.

It doesn't have a be a big move, maybe move an underperforming player for another team's underperforming player, and hope the change of scenery helps them both. Or one of the redundant defensemen for something. Or since the prospect pool is so deep, maybe they can ID some players that are more expendable from that list, and pair them with a pick or two for player that can help now; and I'm not thinking a rental vet, but a youngish player that will be here for a year or two.

Just because other teams aren't making moves, it doesn't make it acceptable for Sweeney to sit on his hands while a 3rd straight season (second under his watch) circles the drain.

 

[DKH]

The silence and/or spin next March will be enjoyable

I'm expecting lot of excuses and spin on being right

You guys as GMs would be lucky to not wrap up the first overall by Black Friday

 

[Duguay]

The silence and/or spin next March will be enjoyable

I'm expecting lot of excuses and spin on being right

You guys as GMs would be lucky to not wrap up the first overall by Black Friday

No one here is qualified. But you sure can expect to have a qualified person in that role. That makes us fans.

 

[bruinmann77]

I really hope DS does not trade any of his defensive prospects that he has acquired the past couple of seasons.We need to have a young core on the backline. I think the bruins are going to also have a nice core of young forwards and rather see the bruins go that route

 

[DKH]

I wang to hear the Negative Nancies blame Sweeney for assembling a tight team

Team plays tight at home?

Come spin boys let's hear it

And the young players are tight afraid to screw up

Yah Sweeney fault

 

[ODAAT]

I'm not sure I agree with the bolded's logic, ODAAT. How many other teams have failed to make the playoffs the past two years, have shown brutal lethargy and/or apathy from their players at times, had their owner make a declaration of a "deep playoff run", etc.?

Not all teams will feel the same motivation to make moves. The B's, IMHO, should be one of the more motivated teams to do so. Someone's got to pick up the phone and start the conversations, should be Sweeney.

It doesn't have a be a big move, maybe move an underperforming player for another team's underperforming player, and hope the change of scenery helps them both. Or one of the redundant defensemen for something. Or since the prospect pool is so deep, maybe they can ID some players that are more expendable from that list, and pair them with a pick or two for player that can help now; and I'm not thinking a rental vet, but a youngish player that will be here for a year or two.

Just because other teams aren't making moves, it doesn't make it acceptable for Sweeney to sit on his hands while a 3rd straight season (second under his watch) circles the drain.

Good post, doesn`t change my opinion that DS hasn`t been on the phones trying to get something done. I believe that he`s not one bit hesitant or afraid to make a deal using some of his prospects however, it appears, based on info around the Landeskog talk that he won`t include Carlo (and I suspect McAvoy) as pieces he`d be willing to move and I`m ok with that

There is no way he`s (Sweeney) sitting up top and watching a different team than we are, and while there`s been nothing thus far in the way of a move, you can`t convince me he`s just put his phone on silent or has allowed for the battery to run out.

Listened recently to Elliot Friedman on a talk show down here having spoke with Steve Yzerman who said trades or available trade partners are as tough as he`s experienced. As for underperforming players, who`d want them?

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

I wang to hear the Negative Nancies blame Sweeney for assembling a tight team

Team plays tight at home?

Come spin boys let's hear it

And the young players are tight afraid to screw up

Yah Sweeney fault

Too many players are mentally weak. At home is in their heads now like Montreal is always in their heads. Why does it have to be GM or coach's fault? Players play the games. Once they're on the ice the performance is on them.

 

[RedeyeRocketeer]

The difference between you and I (not the only one I'm sure) is that I thought the B's current core was done the year they won the Prez Trophy, then lost in the first round. The youth that is arriving in the next few years (and the ones that are already here) will be the core of the next group. That's what I'm looking at.

The duration and size of the contracts to our old core goes directly against your theory, and is the main reason some of us are puzzled by the plan. surely as a gm your true core gets the bulk of the $. that's not what the next 4 years look like for us. I think your theory is sound if the choices we've seen back it up. but they don't.

 

[DKH]

I realize Bob McKenzie teeeted out props for the Bruins doing the difficult task of retooling and trying to make playoffs but good to see the organization from Cam on down has the Bruins in the discussion as one of the couple of prospect laden teams in the game

A 95+ point team with those deep pockets impressive

Can't wait to see a top 6 on D

Lauzon- McAvoy
Krug-Carlo
O'Gara - Chiller

Move over 77 Canadiens

 

[BNHL]

I realize Bob McKenzie teeeted out props for the Bruins doing the difficult task of retooling and trying to make playoffs but good to see the organization from Cam on down has the Bruins in the discussion as one of the couple of prospect laden teams in the game

A 95+ point team with those deep pockets impressive

Can't wait to see a top 6 on D

Lauzon- McAvoy
Krug-Carlo
O'Gara - Chiller

Move over 77 Canadiens

Some of those 70s Nova Scotia Voyageurs would have won a couple of rounds in the NHL.

 

[TMac21]

I realize Bob McKenzie teeeted out props for the Bruins doing the difficult task of retooling and trying to make playoffs but good to see the organization from Cam on down has the Bruins in the discussion as one of the couple of prospect laden teams in the game

A 95+ point team with those deep pockets impressive

Can't wait to see a top 6 on D

Lauzon- McAvoy
Krug-Carlo
O'Gara - Chiller

Move over 77 Canadiens

Surprised it took you this long to see that tweet and post it here.

 

[DKH]

Some of those 70s Nova Scotia Voyageurs would have won a couple of rounds in the NHL.

The 81 Islanders and the 77 Canadiens were the most complete and talented teams I ever saw

They could dance like Astaire or fight like Ali

 

[DKH]

Next time I read 'what's Sweeney thinkin' I'm going to suggest reading Kirks scouting post.

You don't get and I mean even close to the comments he gave Kirk on Zboril. I'm amazed he was that open and fair. Wow

 

[ChargersRookie]

I'm not sure I agree with the bolded's logic, ODAAT. How many other teams have failed to make the playoffs the past two years, have shown brutal lethargy and/or apathy from their players at times, had their owner make a declaration of a "deep playoff run", etc.?

Not all teams will feel the same motivation to make moves. The B's, IMHO, should be one of the more motivated teams to do so. Someone's got to pick up the phone and start the conversations, should be Sweeney.

It doesn't have a be a big move, maybe move an underperforming player for another team's underperforming player, and hope the change of scenery helps them both. Or one of the redundant defensemen for something. Or since the prospect pool is so deep, maybe they can ID some players that are more expendable from that list, and pair them with a pick or two for player that can help now; and I'm not thinking a rental vet, but a youngish player that will be here for a year or two.

Just because other teams aren't making moves, it doesn't make it acceptable for Sweeney to sit on his hands while a 3rd straight season (second under his watch) circles the drain.

I wouldn't present to anyone a 2 home game playoff run as a gift.

 

[Brucentric*]

The 81 Islanders and the 77 Canadiens were the most complete and talented teams I ever saw

They could dance like Astaire or fight like Ali

81 Isles, saw a lot of that team those years. You are correct, they could play any way you wanted and would beat you either way. Not sure people understand just how great Brian Trottier was.

 

[22Brad Park]

Well back in August of 2014, I was calling the Bruins a potential bubble team to make the playoffs. http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=88710961&postcount=172. So I don't think I overestimated the talent or the core on the team. Calling the Bruins a bubble team to make the playoffs that year after winning the Presidents Trophy wasn't really a popular or common opinion.

My fear is the Bruins remain mediocre and continue to tread water; Sweeney needs to make a deal to add a major talent. That was the point of getting the three first round picks to begin with, to move up and get Hanifin. Had he done that, I'd probably be singing his praises. Sports is a results based business and I am sure there are many GM's who could've been Sam Pollock if they got some of the trades they planned.

However, what I see now is the goal posts being moved. When Lucic and Hamilton were traded, plenty of posters called it a 'retool on the fly'. This was supposed to be a 2 year operation where the Bruins got some young talent to supplement the current core. However, if the goal is to build the new core, that is a full rebuild. If you think of this as a full rebuild, then all players from the old core should be open for trades. Even if locals think the Bruins can't afford to be irrelevant in the market, they are already becoming irrelevant with their play anyway.

Great post .Playoff gates matter to ownership is way I see it.Last year giving away assets for marginal players and little shot at a Cup proved it. SALT IN WOUND Dougie Hamilton leads all NHL D men with 4 game winning goals.But to be a bit fair DeBrusk is not here yet,I believe he was the pick with Hamilton trade to Calgary.

 

[DKH]

Surprised it took you this long to see that tweet and post it here.

When I read McKenzie it was like reading my mantra since Sweeney got hired.

Hearing Pierre talk about what the scouting community has been extolling about Boston prospects was not a surprise

It takes a man to admit you are wrong and a bigger one to net point out when you are right

That's why you won't hear me saying I told you so and why also expect no one admitting they were wrong