Management Don Sweeney V

[22Brad Park]

If one of them had the croutons to come out and say what CJ said yesterday or today whenever that article was written, I`d applaud them.

This isn`t about health, this isn`t about line combos, it`s about talent, and the very slim amount of it this team has and CJ`s the first to fire the only real shot, I`m guessing the conversation in the Exec office is pretty vibrant today as it should be.

Julien has his warts, no doubt about it, but he isn`t wrong, with the lack of pure, high end talent or elite talent, everyone needs to be on the same page but even at their absolute best, IMO, this team is nothing more than average

Cannot disagree with this post.I give it lots of merit.

 

[DaStinger]

Still waiting for deal less Don and no accountability Neely to do something...

 

[JAD]

If one of them had the croutons to come out and say what CJ said yesterday or today whenever that article was written, I`d applaud them.

This isn`t about health, this isn`t about line combos, it`s about talent, and the very slim amount of it this team has and CJ`s the first to fire the only real shot, I`m guessing the conversation in the Exec office is pretty vibrant today as it should be.

Julien has his warts, no doubt about it, but he isn`t wrong, with the lack of pure, high end talent or elite talent, everyone needs to be on the same page but even at their absolute best, IMO, this team is nothing more than average

I've said this before; this season was never about a championship, unless the Bruins were to get incredibly lucky.

People make such a big deal over Jacobs comments about expecting to make the playoffs and a deep playoff run. Heck, every owner wants and expects that. I want that. If asked what he expects from the team this year it's exactly what I would expect him to say. To say anything less would be detrimental and discouraging.

Now people are twisting what was said and saying it was detrimental to say he expects a deep run.

I'm willing to bet that all of management knew/knows the team has holes, that it would be, is lacking in certain areas. Heck, we all knew that. I'm sure they all hoped for better results and have been trying to improve the current roster. They still may. There is still hope to salvage the season make the playoffs where anything can happen even if the odds and percentages are low. You don't give up.

CJ only referenced what everybody already knows - no surprise. The only surprise was that he even commented about the team needing to work together because they don't have enough talent for players to be taking nights off. It may be out of character for CJ but I am sure the media badgering him endlessly about the team's play, his job security and such just got under his skin. There is nothing CJ said that management is not aware of. The media always looks for little sound bites to twist and spin - it's all about sensationalism, readership and viewership.

 

[BMC]

Harry Sinden. Good Lord.

No wonder we are stuck in this hell.

It's absolutely sickening isn't it?

 

[Over the volcano]

If one of them had the croutons to come out and say what CJ said yesterday or today whenever that article was written, I`d applaud them.

This isn`t about health, this isn`t about line combos, it`s about talent, and the very slim amount of it this team has and CJ`s the first to fire the only real shot, I`m guessing the conversation in the Exec office is pretty vibrant today as it should be.

Julien has his warts, no doubt about it, but he isn`t wrong, with the lack of pure, high end talent or elite talent, everyone needs to be on the same page but even at their absolute best, IMO, this team is nothing more than average

This team has the talent to be on the bubble and squeek into the playoffs. They've had that kind of talent for the last three years. Time for Julien to have the croutons to come out and say he's fallen short as well. A great coach should be able to squeeze the most out of a roster, even if that's just a first round exit. I don't think anyone would say we have been getting the most this roster has to give.

 

[finchster]

Bruins do have a ton of talent, but it is the wrong mix. 6-12th in forwards if healthy, bottom five in defence. No coach is going anywhere with this defence,

 

[Over the volcano]

Bruins do have a ton of talent, but it is the wrong mix. 6-12th in forwards if healthy, bottom five in defence. No coach is going anywhere with this defence,

Chara Krug Carlo McQuaid Liles Miller Miller isn't that bad (bottom five in the league).

Their forward lines have holes, but plenty of talent

They should have a top goalie as well.

A great coach shouldn't miss the playoffs three years running with the talent he's been handed.

 

[Fenway]

Elliott Friedman on the Bruins

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/30-thoughts-hanzal-talks-stall-canadiens-coyotes/

11. This is my read on Claude Julien and the Bruins: Julien is tired of being made a public scapegoat, which is why he took a shot at the roster last week. But he’s a pro. He feels he has a responsibility to the players and coaching staff, so he will push forward because that’s the right thing to do. But I’m sure part of him is saying, “Look, if you want to fire me, just do it already.â€

Why hasn’t it happened? A couple of things. First, GM Don Sweeney would rather make a trade and see how things play out. I'll always remember a conversation with him when he took over, Sweeney bristling at the suggestion he wouldn’t give Julien a fair shot. He didn’t like that assumption, and it stuck with me. Second, the Bruins know Julien is a good coach. He’s going to go somewhere else and make that team better. You can make the argument it’s time, but fans forget that if your guy goes elsewhere and improves another club.


12. I know Bruins fans are also screaming for a trade, but Sweeney strikes me as the kind of guy who knows you make your worst trades when your team is taking on water. People despise inactivity, but in a salary-cap world, panic mistakes bleed you dry. He was on the scouting list for Anaheim/Minnesota last Saturday, but did not attend.

 

[RedeyeRocketeer]

Man today I actually thought about what's left from the Seguin trade. Just wow.

 

[Duguay]

The media always looks for little sound bites to twist and spin - it's all about sensationalism, readership and viewership.

Nothing sensational about missing the playoffs in an original 6 town for 3 straight years

 

[Oates2Neely]

Chiarelli left this team in shambles

 

[EverettMike]

Man today I actually thought about what's left from the Seguin trade. Just wow.

Ever been more wrong about anything in your life?

 

[finchster]

Chara Krug Carlo McQuaid Liles Miller Miller isn't that bad (bottom five in the league).

No, it is that bad

Chara - #3 now
Krug - # 4 offensive defencemen, needs a defensive partner and maybe it is Carlo in the future
Carlo- Rookie defencemen, at times played like a top four guy and at times played like a rookie.

The others you mentioned shouldn't be in the NHL. K.Miller I am willing to get some leeway due to injury, but he isn't playing all that well. The defence is terrible, awful, dreadful.

 

[Brucentric*]

Chiarelli left this team in shambles

No he didn't. Not even close. This GM has made it worse,

 

[Blowfish]

Chiarelli left this team in shambles

He made a cup winning contending team and Neely got too involved. Chia will win another cup well before this team.

 

[Speed Shooter]

No he didn't. Not even close. This GM has made it worse,

He did. They both did.

Chiarelli sped up decline by overpaying aging vets that were part of Cup, sending out draft picks with no real concern, usually making terrible draft decisions, and inexplicably dumb trades post 2011 Cup.

Sweeney's maintained the decline by overpaying to retain players he should have let walk, foolishly misjudging the trade deadline and his team's chances, making some very, very terrible trade and player acquisitions, and failing to plug glaring holes despite more than enough time to do so (or at least attempt to).

They've both had a hand behind the wheel at the current state. The facts are there.

 

[Blowfish]

He did. They both did.

Chiarelli sped up decline by overpaying aging vets that were part of Cup, sending out draft picks with no real concern, usually making terrible draft decisions, and inexplicably dumb trades post 2011 Cup.

Sweeney's maintained the decline by overpaying to retain players he should have let walk, foolishly misjudging the trade deadline and his team's chances, making some very, very terrible trade and player acquisitions, and failing to plug glaring holes despite more than enough time to do so (or at least attempt to).

They've both had a hand behind the wheel at the current state. The facts are there.

Other than Chara who are these aging vets he signed?

 

[Oates2Neely]

He made a cup winning contending team and Neely got too involved. Chia will win another cup well before this team.

Chiarelli lucked out walking on to a team with a generational talent in McDavid. Otherwise he's made a few crap moves in Edmonton as well (Hall for Larsson,, signing Lucic long term).

From not properly shopping Seguin, to resigning aging vets to bad contracts, to terrible drafting, Chiarelli set the stage for what we are experiencing here today.

 

[CharasLazyWrister]

If people are already coming back around to Chiarelli's "greatness", the revisionist history has begun quicker than I thought.

Let's be real. Chiarelli INHERITED a bunch of good draft picks and young talent when he joined the team. He made some nice, supporting cast moves to bring a Cup to Boston. His best move was most definitely in UFA when he signed Zdeno Chara to a big contract to make him captain. Meanwhile, everything he did (when he actually did stuff) his last two years was AWFUL here. The Seguin trade was worse than even the Joe Thornton trade, which not many thought could ever be topped. His drafting record THROUGHOUT HIS ENTIRE TENURE was ****ing awful.

He went off to Edmonton, walked into McDavid, seemingly made a "decent" move in trading Larsson for Hall (deal is never going to be a slam dunk win, but it could be the "right" move over time), signed Lucic to a massive contract he didn't deserve and now he's a stud GM over in Edmonton.

I understand not everyone's happy with Sweeney. But, if the argument presented is "we should have kept Chiarelli", I'll keep laughing.

 

[Blowfish]

If people are already coming back around to Chiarelli's "greatness", the revisionist history has begun quicker than I thought.

Let's be real. Chiarelli INHERITED a bunch of good draft picks and young talent when he joined the team. He made some nice, supporting cast moves to bring a Cup to Boston. His best move was most definitely in UFA when he signed Zdeno Chara to a big contract to make him captain. Meanwhile, everything he did (when he actually did stuff) his last two years was AWFUL here. The Seguin trade was worse than even the Joe Thornton trade, which not many thought could ever be topped. His drafting record THROUGHOUT HIS ENTIRE TENURE was ****ing awful.

He went off to Edmonton, walked into McDavid, seemingly made a "decent" move in trading Larsson for Hall (deal is never going to be a slam dunk win, but it could be the "right" move over time), signed Lucic to a massive contract he didn't deserve and now he's a stud GM over in Edmonton.

I understand not everyone's happy with Sweeney. But, if the argument presented is "we should have kept Chiarelli", I'll keep laughing.

Like how you downplay what chia did for the bruins. Laughable. What most are saying is Neely was the catelyst to some bad moves including seguin. Sweeney I like Neely needs to go back to dumb and dumber movies.

 

[BNHL]

If people are already coming back around to Chiarelli's "greatness", the revisionist history has begun quicker than I thought.

Let's be real. Chiarelli INHERITED a bunch of good draft picks and young talent when he joined the team. He made some nice, supporting cast moves to bring a Cup to Boston. His best move was most definitely in UFA when he signed Zdeno Chara to a big contract to make him captain. Meanwhile, everything he did (when he actually did stuff) his last two years was AWFUL here. The Seguin trade was worse than even the Joe Thornton trade, which not many thought could ever be topped. His drafting record THROUGHOUT HIS ENTIRE TENURE was ****ing awful.

He went off to Edmonton, walked into McDavid, seemingly made a "decent" move in trading Larsson for Hall (deal is never going to be a slam dunk win, but it could be the "right" move over time), signed Lucic to a massive contract he didn't deserve and now he's a stud GM over in Edmonton.

I understand not everyone's happy with Sweeney. But, if the argument presented is "we should have kept Chiarelli", I'll keep laughing.

Completely unfair when there is at least more than a chance that this trade came from Jeremy Jacobs himself. We can complain about the return that was unfortunate when Eriksson was injured and then saddled with Soderberg for a year. In it's perception,Loui should have had 3+ 60 point seasons minimum. PPG Seguin might have helped,I see him as a Spooner on steroids,but he certainly would have drawn some wrath here.

 

[CharasLazyWrister]

Completely unfair when there is at least more than a chance that this trade came from Jeremy Jacobs himself. We can complain about the return that was unfortunate when Eriksson was injured and then saddled with Soderberg for a year. In it's perception,Loui should have had 3+ 60 point seasons minimum. PPG Seguin might have helped,I see him as a Spooner on steroids,but he certainly would have drawn some wrath here.

How can something be COMPLETELY unfair if you are acknowledging there is only "a chance"?

So because you can create some speculation, it is thus a "completely unfair" statement? That's ridiculous.

 

[BNHL]

How can something be COMPLETELY unfair if you are acknowledging there is only "a chance"?

So because you can create some speculation, it is thus a "completely unfair" statement? That's ridiculous.

I only say "more than a chance" because I haven't heard it from JJ but I have heard from other "insiders" that JJ ordered the trade. I wouldn't blame anyone for anything when there is "more than a chance" they are innocent.

 

[EverettMike]

"Trade Seguin" doesn't mean you give him away in a terrible deal.

 

[ODAAT]

I'm referring to this:



Sweeney does a lot of scouting. In last years playoffs in the OHL he was there scouting a guy that went in the third round.

Show me a GM that does/has ever done more amateur scouting than Sweeney and I'll sell you some swamp land

I'm not saying the scouts aren't involved, I'm just stating Sweeney is heavily involved.

Sweeney was out this way last year for at least 3-4 days as a small example, was here to watch Zboril then Lauzon if not mistaken