Management Don Sweeney V

[ODAAT]

They'd get accused of throwing someone under the bus!

If one of them had the croutons to come out and say what CJ said yesterday or today whenever that article was written, I`d applaud them.

This isn`t about health, this isn`t about line combos, it`s about talent, and the very slim amount of it this team has and CJ`s the first to fire the only real shot, I`m guessing the conversation in the Exec office is pretty vibrant today as it should be.

Julien has his warts, no doubt about it, but he isn`t wrong, with the lack of pure, high end talent or elite talent, everyone needs to be on the same page but even at their absolute best, IMO, this team is nothing more than average

 

[LouJersey]

If one of them had the croutons to come out and say what CJ said yesterday or today whenever that article was written, I`d applaud them.

This isn`t about health, this isn`t about line combos, it`s about talent, and the very slim amount of it this team has and CJ`s the first to fire the only real shot, I`m guessing the conversation in the Exec office is pretty vibrant today as it should be.

Julien has his warts, no doubt about it, but he isn`t wrong, with the lack of pure, high end talent or elite talent, everyone needs to be on the same page but even at their absolute best, IMO, this team is nothing more than average

How many times have we read here that Bergeron, Marchand, Krejci and Pastrnak are elite?

People have said Marchand is better than or they'd rather have him than Patrick Kane. Same with Bergeron over Crosby. Pasta has been compared to the young elite guys as well. Krejci has been called an elite #1 center here.

 

[LouJersey]

I said this last week and I'm sticking to it. He seems to be an excellent developer of kids...but his moves with the NHL roster have been dreadful almost across the board. Trades, signings, lack of both, etc. It all seems bad.

That seems to be an overly pessimistic view IMO. His last two signings were Krug and Marchand IIRC. I think he did very well on money and term there. The Backes signing is what it is, love it or hate it, but dreadful? That's a little dramatic. Beleskey? Do you judge it off only this year? Last year he was worth the contract. This year not so much. When healthy he should earn it. Hayes was terrible. Dobby terrible. I liked the Rinaldo trade, but that stunk, didn't love the deadline moves. Will be interesting to see this deadline and where we sit. I highly doubt draft picks will be going out again, I would expect some to come in. McQ and Kevan, not awful contracts and I would think they could be moved if need be.

The part that confuses me is that the signings at the pro level don't match what the draft philosophy is.

 

[patty59]

How many times have we read here that Bergeron, Marchand, Krejci and Pastrnak are elite?

People have said Marchand is better than or they'd rather have him than Patrick Kane. Same with Bergeron over Crosby. Pasta has been compared to the young elite guys as well. Krejci has been called an elite #1 center here.

This teamhas a lot of high end guys, elite even. The problems is the lack of depth, when you have Tim Schaller playing with Krejci there is a serious problem.

 

[Therick67]

This teamhas a lot of high end guys, elite even. The problems is the lack of depth, when you have Tim Schaller playing with Krejci there is a serious problem.

You don't think Tim and his 17 career points should get top 6 minutes?

 

[LouJersey]

This teamhas a lot of high end guys, elite even. The problems is the lack of depth, when you have Tim Schaller playing with Krejci there is a serious problem.

You don't think Tim and his 17 career points should get top 6 minutes?

With Bergeron, Marchand, Pasta, Vatrano, Spooner, Krejci, Backes and Beleskey available Tim Schaller should never sniff line 2. That's squarely on the coach.

 

[patty59]

With Bergeron, Marchand, Pasta, Vatrano, Spooner, Krejci, Backes and Beleskey available Tim Schaller should never sniff line 2. That's squarely on the coach.

No he shouldn't and I do wonder if it's Claude sending a message to Sweeney to get him some help.

 

[22Brad Park]

With Bergeron, Marchand, Pasta, Vatrano, Spooner, Krejci, Backes and Beleskey available Tim Schaller should never sniff line 2. That's squarely on the coach.

Toe Blake could not win with roster Bruins have..End of the day they will miss playoff 3 straight years cause they lack good players in key spots Who is to blame for Bruins not having a top 2 d man?And just for the record. Beleskey has 5 pts all year.Vatrano 5 goals with 4 coming in 2 games and Spooner is invisible most nites .Pastrnak no goals last 15 or 16 games.

 

[Gordon Lightfoot]

How many times have we read here that Bergeron, Marchand, Krejci and Pastrnak are elite?

People have said Marchand is better than or they'd rather have him than Patrick Kane. Same with Bergeron over Crosby. Pasta has been compared to the young elite guys as well. Krejci has been called an elite #1 center here.

I can't imagine it was anything near the majority of posters who said either of those things about Kane or Crosby.

Pasta has a good future but the word "elite" is so elastic that it has lost all meaning.

 

[DominicT]

GM's defer to the head of scouting for the draft. It's the scouts list and call on the picks. GM makes the signings and the trades.

Judge him on those moves.

Not entirely fact in Sweeney's case.

 

[BergyWho37]

I'm going to hear JFJ name again.

Ouch

 

[bruinmann77]

You don't think Tim and his 17 career points should get top 6 minutes?

I totally agree TS should never see the top 6

 

[chizzler]

Not entirely fact in Sweeney's case.

It looks like Sweeney likes scouting from the outside looking in.

 

[Coach Parker]

Not entirely fact in Sweeney's case.

In which case Dom? Are you referring to the lumbering number 8 over his shoulder as he works the phone?

 

[Blowfish]

In which case Dom? Are you referring to the lumbering number 8 over his shoulder as he works the phone?

Chia says yes the lumbering #8

 

[ODAAT]

How many times have we read here that Bergeron, Marchand, Krejci and Pastrnak are elite?

People have said Marchand is better than or they'd rather have him than Patrick Kane. Same with Bergeron over Crosby. Pasta has been compared to the young elite guys as well. Krejci has been called an elite #1 center here.

I don`t use Hf as my gauge for convincing me of who is elite, and Pasta isn`t close to elite nor is DK

Bergeron, when healthy, is an elite 3 zone player, I wouldn`t call Marchand elite

For me, there are probably less than 10 players in this league I would classify as elite, there are many who are great players, I don`t tend to toss around the word elite as freely as some.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Does anyone know what Neely's role actually is? Seems to me they are operating like 2 GMs. If Neely were fired today and no one replaced him, how much impact would that have? Could Charlie do Cam's job without being a pita to Sweeney?

 

[Over the volcano]

Matt benning's success in Edmonton can certainly be seen as a knock on Sweeney as a GM. The kid looks great.

 

[DominicT]

In which case Dom? Are you referring to the lumbering number 8 over his shoulder as he works the phone?

I'm referring to this:

It's the scouts list and call on the picks.

Sweeney does a lot of scouting. In last years playoffs in the OHL he was there scouting a guy that went in the third round.

Show me a GM that does/has ever done more amateur scouting than Sweeney and I'll sell you some swamp land

I'm not saying the scouts aren't involved, I'm just stating Sweeney is heavily involved.

 

[DominicT]

Does anyone know what Neely's role actually is? Seems to me they are operating like 2 GMs. If Neely were fired today and no one replaced him, how much impact would that have? Could Charlie do Cam's job without being a pita to Sweeney?

Here's Neely's exact role:

He is President of the hockey club on both the business side and the hockey ops side.He is also an alternate governor which means if JJ, Charlie or Sinden can't attend League board meetings, Neely, as an alternate attends.

As for the Presidency, some teams have two Presidents. Two examples off the top of my head are the New York Rangers with David O'Connor as Pres on the business side and Glen Sather on the hockey side. The Edmonton Oilers have several on the business side led by Bob Nicholson (although they call them "Chair" and "Vice Chair") and Peter Chiarelli as Pres on the Hockey Ops side.

As I said, Neely does both duties, but on the hockey ops side, every single transaction that takes place, be it a signing, a trade, waivers, call ups, firing, you name it.... requires under the NHL constitution and CBA, his signature (in other words, approval).

Now, if Sweeney wanted to do something that Neely was opposed to, he could go to JJ or Charlie as Chairman and CEO respectively and they could sign off. But I doubt Sweeney would do that.

Prior to Neely becoming President, Chiarelli had to deal directly with JJ or Sinden

 

[incidental otter]

Prior to Neely becoming President, Chiarelli had to deal directly with JJ

*shudder*

My respect for Chiarelli just bumped up.

Delaware North is a massive global conglomerate. If JJ was schmoozing some foreign head of state, and PC needed a quick "OK" on something, who would get put on hold?

 

[DominicT]

*shudder*

My respect for Chiarelli just bumped up.

Delaware North is a massive global conglomerate. If JJ was schmoozing some foreign head of state, and PC needed a quick "OK" on something, who would get put on hold?

Actually, JJ or Sinden could sign off. I'll have to go back and change the original post.

(But you can still *shudder*)

 

[bp13]

Harry Sinden. Good Lord.

No wonder we are stuck in this hell.

 

[Roll 4 Lines]

Harry Sinden. Good Lord.

No wonder we are stuck in this hell.

Some transactions get bogged down by red tape.

The Bruins are hindered by Scotch tape!

 

[chizzler]

Some transactions get bogged down by red tape.

The Bruins are hindered by Scotch tape!

No....fax machine.