Management Don Sweeney V

[ODAAT]

completely OT here, I`ve taken a bit of a Bruins break in regards to watching the last two games, just need to try and reclaim my sanity but I`ve noticed in years past on NESN they would show a shot of Neely/Chia up in the box when Chia was around and I don`t or haven`t seen a shot of them during a broadcast this season at all.

Now, makes no difference to me but asking out of curiosity, any reason for this anyone knows about? Not that it makes/made for riveting television, just an observation

 

[Oates2Neely]

"Trade Seguin" doesn't mean you give him away in a terrible deal.

You beat me to it. We've seen Johansen traded for Jones, Subban for Weber, are we to assume the best deal out there was Loui Eriksson? I find that hard to swallow. Wether or not you were a fan of Seguin, his value at that time can't be debated. He should have returned a better package.

 

[Oates2Neely]

completely OT here, I`ve taken a bit of a Bruins break in regards to watching the last two games, just need to try and reclaim my sanity but I`ve noticed in years past on NESN they would show a shot of Neely/Chia up in the box when Chia was around and I don`t or haven`t seen a shot of them during a broadcast this season at all.

Now, makes no difference to me but asking out of curiosity, any reason for this anyone knows about? Not that it makes/made for riveting television, just an observation

Just a guess here but back then Chia and Neely were usually high-fiving in the press box during the good years. Not so much high-giving going on in that suite these days, doesn't make for good television...?

 

[bp13]

Elliott Friedman on the Bruins

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/30-thoughts-hanzal-talks-stall-canadiens-coyotes/

The issue with that second point is that they needed a trade at the end of last season. They needed it all summer, and they have needed it almost all year. You could argue maybe needs have changed, but I'd also argue a shot across the bow to leadership, via a trade, has been called for since PC was here. And selling off Lucic alone didn't cut it.

So fine thwat Sweeney doesn't want to make a deal out of desperation, but now he's not really desperate. The season is over. Now it's time to make significant changes to see if you can improve next year and the year after. I'm worry but the excuses are tiring. Do something.

 

[the overrated]

I only say "more than a chance" because I haven't heard it from JJ but I have heard from other "insiders" that JJ ordered the trade. I wouldn't blame anyone for anything when there is "more than a chance" they are innocent.

There's been so many different stories/theories about the trade that it's tough to really pin it down to any one of them as being the accurate one. There's one theory that the final push out the door actually came from players in the locker room, because of things that were done that cannot be discussed on a board like this. Hopefully when the players & management involved retire, there's a bit more light spread on that whole situation, because I think there's info out there that changes the complexion of the trade.

And with that said: I think it speaks volumes for what Sweeney has done (or not done) on the NHL level that people are still attributing what's broken with the 2016/2017 Boston Bruins on the GM that left nearly 2 years ago.

 

[BNHL]

You beat me to it. We've seen Johansen traded for Jones, Subban for Weber, are we to assume the best deal out there was Loui Eriksson? I find that hard to swallow. Wether or not you were a fan of Seguin, his value at that time can't be debated. He should have returned a better package.

The 5 years prior to the trade,Loui averaged 67 points. Since the trade Seguin has averaged about 77 points per season. I don't know why someone would trade us a 77 point player under 30 for Seguin at that time. If Loui had remained healthy and wasn't saddled with Soderberg and Kelly,we hopefully enjoy 4 60 point seasons. Add in Smith who has an outside chance at 20 goals for the third time this year and the woefully mismanaged Morrow,I'm not sure how much more you could get at that time.

 

[World of Wardlow]

He's been too quiet in the last month or so

 

[whatsbruin]

The 5 years prior to the trade,Loui averaged 67 points. Since the trade Seguin has averaged about 77 points per season. I don't know why someone would trade us a 77 point player under 30 for Seguin at that time. If Loui had remained healthy and wasn't saddled with Soderberg and Kelly,we hopefully enjoy 4 60 point seasons. Add in Smith who has an outside chance at 20 goals for the third time this year and the woefully mismanaged Morrow,I'm not sure how much more you could get at that time.

You dont do a 1 for 5 player trade.
you do a one for one or one for two trade.
to many quality for quantity trades for boston : Thornton, lucic, sequin, Hamilton

 

[Duguay]

You beat me to it. We've seen Johansen traded for Jones, Subban for Weber, are we to assume the best deal out there was Loui Eriksson? I find that hard to swallow. Wether or not you were a fan of Seguin, his value at that time can't be debated. He should have returned a better package.

Bad trades are bad trades. Boston is in the soup they are in because of....bad trades

 

[BruinDust]

You beat me to it. We've seen Johansen traded for Jones, Subban for Weber, are we to assume the best deal out there was Loui Eriksson? I find that hard to swallow. Wether or not you were a fan of Seguin, his value at that time can't be debated. He should have returned a better package.

Absolutely.

According to some (and I'm not debating this because I believe them), the order to trade Seguin came from above Neely and Chiarelli from Ownership. I do not know the reasons but I'll assume they were valid.

But that doesn't excuse making a bad deal. I find it hard to believe ownership said "trade Seguin and make sure it's done before the July 4th weekend is over".

It was poorly handled. End of story.

 

[BNHL]

You dont do a 1 for 5 player trade.
you do a one for one or one for two trade.
to many quality for quantity trades for boston : Thornton, lucic, sequin, Hamilton

If everything went as planned,Eriksson would have given us several years of 60 points,Smith several years of 40-50 points and a properly developed #4 defenseman. In a perfect world,if that all happens and Seguin is a PPG player for 10 years,there's not much to ***** about,but it's not a perfect world.

 

[Brucentric*]

Seguin is a loser....How is Dallas doing building around him ? Fact is Jamie Benn is that teams best player and Seguin is luck he is there. Seguin has done nothing to show he is a franchise center/leader/winner....He has forgotten everything Claude tought him and what he saw from Bergeron and the importance of being a two way player...He has no character or leadership qualities even with all his talent...

I dont miss the guy at all and if he were here it would not make a difference because he is not a difference maker. the guy is a minus player on a bad team....Thats a fact. Forty six points yet he is minus 14.....Lazy, one way guy looking to pad his stats.

They should have gotten more, but this organization does not miss this kind of player.

It is tiring listening to people still whining over this guy. He is a loser.

 

[Number8]

Seguin is a loser....How is Dallas doing building around him ? Fact is Jamie Benn is that teams best player and Seguin is luck he is there. Seguin has done nothing to show he is a franchise center/leader/winner....He has forgotten everything Claude tought him and what he saw from Bergeron and the importance of being a two way player...He has no character or leadership qualities even with all his talent...

I dont miss the guy at all and if he were here it would not make a difference because he is not a difference maker. the guy is a minus player on a bad team....Thats a fact. Forty six points yet he is minus 14.....Lazy, one way guy looking to pad his stats.

They should have gotten more, but this organization does not miss this kind of player.

It is tiring listening to people still whining over this guy. He is a loser.

I think you are missing what most people are saying.

There was valid reason to trade Seguin if the lockerroom/off ice issues have legs. I think you could make argument he was not a good fit for this team.

However, I don't think many people are concerned about how much we "miss this kind of player". The point is he was an extremely valuable commodity that fell into our lap because we traded another extremely valuable commodity that didn't fit well (Kessel).

You only get a few opportunities like that and when you screw them up as bad as Boston did -- it impacts the organization for a long time.

Neely - Pederson trade goes down in history as one of the best trades Boston has made and had huge positive implications for Boston for a long long time.

Seguin - Eriksson, et al goes down in history as one of the worst trades Boston has made and will have huge negative implications for Boston for a long long time.

Think having Apple stock in 1985 and giving it away for even. Of course that's not really a good analogy because few in 1985 anticipated today what Apple would be. On the other hand it wasn't hard to see what Seguin was likely to be when we traded him.

 

[DominicT]

Absolutely.

According to some (and I'm not debating this because I believe them), the order to trade Seguin came from above Neely and Chiarelli from Ownership. I do not know the reasons but I'll assume they were valid.

But that doesn't excuse making a bad deal. I find it hard to believe ownership said "trade Seguin and make sure it's done before the July 4th weekend is over".

It was poorly handled. End of story.

Just curious who is saying the order came from ownership.

 

[BruinDust]

Just curious who is saying the order came from ownership.

It was back in the summer, I can't recall who it was honestly.

 

[Gee Wally]

There was/is tons of speculation and whispers about that Seguin trade.

I do not want this thread turning into a rehash of that years ago deal. Dig up an old one if some need it.

This is to talk about Sweeney. Here and now.

thanks.

 

[DominicT]

It was back in the summer, I can't recall who it was honestly.

Fair enough. Was just curious since I've been saying for a couple of years that Chiarelli was told he had to trade him but didn't know if it came from Neely or higher.

Would love to know the answer to that

 

[Therick67]

There are unconfirmed rumours as to why this happened, almost all of the rumours involve Seguin having the wrong head in the game. The return that we got was atrocious. Now, Louie was a good player. He got a couple of concussions here quite quickly that I think soured a lot of people when he returned at maybe 70%.

I don't think Seguin was properly shopped around the league, and while we find it hard to believe. It actually seems like ownership did say that. I still don't understand why a draft pick didn't come back the other way.

Or some of the Stars actual good prospects...

 

[BruinDust]

Fair enough. Was just curious since I've been saying for a couple of years that Chiarelli was told he had to trade him but didn't know if it came from Neely or higher.

Would love to know the answer to that

As would I.

It has been said here the reasons that came from whoever made the order were justified. I've never heard in any way shape or form what those reasons were other than one rumor also read on this board (before it was removed as hearsay, so I won't repeat it).

But I have no really knowledge of the situation other than what I've read on this board since the trade occurred.

 

[Jorah Marshmont]

He's been too quiet in the last month or so

He's been too quiet since July

 

[Brucentric*]

Just curious who is saying the order came from ownership.

It wasnt, I once saw an episode of Behind the B and the whole braintrust was at the table discussing the deal. Ownership was not represented. They seemed all to be in a greement to trade him.Something like this.

I could have missed it, but I never saw anything about ownership being the deciding factor. Pure fan speculation.

 

[BruinDust]

It wasnt, I once saw an episode of Behind the B and the whole braintrust was at the table discussing the deal. Ownership was not represented. They seemed all to be in a greement to trade him.Something like this.

I could have missed it, but I never saw anything about ownership being the deciding factor. Pure fan speculation.

I'm not so sure I'd put much stock into what was said on a Bruins produced "reality" show.

And just because there were those at the table who did agree, doesn't mean they came up with the idea.

 

[Therick67]

It wasnt, I once saw an episode of Behind the B and the whole braintrust was at the table discussing the deal. Ownership was not represented. They seemed all to be in a greement to trade him.Something like this.

I could have missed it, but I never saw anything about ownership being the deciding factor. Pure fan speculation.

I don't know that ownership would have to sit in on the meeting, since Jacobs isn't in Town all that often. A phone call could have been made..

 

[Brucentric*]

I think you are missing what most people are saying.

There was valid reason to trade Seguin if the lockerroom/off ice issues have legs. I think you could make argument he was not a good fit for this team.

However, I don't think many people are concerned about how much we "miss this kind of player". The point is he was an extremely valuable commodity that fell into our lap because we traded another extremely valuable commodity that didn't fit well (Kessel).

You only get a few opportunities like that and when you screw them up as bad as Boston did -- it impacts the organization for a long time.

Neely - Pederson trade goes down in history as one of the best trades Boston has made and had huge positive implications for Boston for a long long time.

Seguin - Eriksson, et al goes down in history as one of the worst trades Boston has made and will have huge negative implications for Boston for a long long time.

Think having Apple stock in 1985 and giving it away for even. Of course that's not really a good analogy because few in 1985 anticipated today what Apple would be. On the other hand it wasn't hard to see what Seguin was likely to be when we traded him.

Not missing the point, I agree the package was weak and they should have gotten more.....I have no problem admitting that.

 

[DKH]

Fair enough. Was just curious since I've been saying for a couple of years that Chiarelli was told he had to trade him but didn't know if it came from Neely or higher.

Would love to know the answer to that

You have been telling me this

Logic says Cam along with the Jacobs came to the conclusion

I know Cam has a broad scope but I would be surprised if he acted alone just to big a player and to much information floating around