Post-Game Talk: doja cat

[Kovalev27]

From a physical tool standpoint this isn't even a little bit true.

The only thing Nils has shown at this level is that he can shoot at a pretty high volume. Schneider has literally been better at everything else.

these two kids are on completely different levels. I’m amazed anyone would put Lundkvist ahead of Schneider in terms of anything let alone upside.

one as I said on draft day with good info was a top 10 pick on many nhl boards. One was a 28th overall pick that has upped his game in Sweden. But one is an absolute stud. And having Lundkvist compared to him isn’t fair to Lundkvist frankly.

 

[mas0764]

From a physical tool standpoint this isn't even a little bit true.

The only thing Nils has shown at this level is that he can shoot at a pretty high volume. Schneider has literally been better at everything else.

That's the problem, you are claiming "at this level."

It's been 25 games for Lundkvist and 10 for Schneider. That sample size is meaningless.

From an "everything before these 25 and 10 games," perspective, Nils is every bit as smart, as technically sound defensively, etc. Of course Schneider has the size and grit, he's just bigger. But Nils is not some pushover offensive defenseman which I think people assume he is.

He's an excellent defender, in the mold (not on the same level, mind you, just in the MOLD) of Adam Fox, in that they are both smaller but make up for the lack of size with excellent positioning and intelligence.

Please allow me to refrain that I'm not saying that Nils is Adam Fox. But by the same token Schneider is probably not Ryan McDonagh either.

It is of course way too early to draw any final conclusions and Schneider has looked better in his ten game sampling than Lundkvist did in his 25 game sampling.

It also means very, very little, as a comparison between them. Of course it bodes well that it looks like Schneider can handle these minutes, but it doesn't bode poorly for Lundkvist based on how he played. In fact, again, Lundkvist's metrics were actually pretty good. People are remembering his handful of misplays, but he wasn't nearly as bad as people were saying.

 

[Larrybiv]

Im a believer .

What a great way to head into the breakn

Yes, for us and especialky for THEM! That lasting feeling of victory and accomplishment. those previous 3, will be long forgotten, except for the probability that GG had many, many not so sweet sentiments. Hopefully THAT will stick with them. Those sentiments will be much needed moving forward.

 

[rangersfansince08]

Not going to lie but it is satisfying to have won the xG contest in addition to the game. Even won it 5 on5 .

 

[mas0764]

Not going to lie but it is satisfying to have won the xG contest in addition to the game. Even won it 5 on5 .

Watching the game you could *feel* us winning it.

Makes all the difference. This was a satisfying win.

The numbers don't lie.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

That's the problem, you are claiming "at this level."

It's been 25 games for Lundkvist and 10 for Schneider. That sample size is meaningless.

From an "everything before these 25 and 10 games," perspective, Nils is every bit as smart, as technically sound defensively, etc. Of course Schneider has the size and grit, he's just bigger. But Nils is not some pushover offensive defenseman which I think people assume he is.

He's an excellent defender, in the mold (not on the same level, mind you, just in the MOLD) of Adam Fox, in that they are both smaller but make up for the lack of size with excellent positioning and intelligence.

Please allow me to refrain that I'm not saying that Nils is Adam Fox. But by the same token Schneider is probably not Ryan McDonagh either.

It is of course way too early to draw any final conclusions and Schneider has looked better in his ten game sampling than Lundkvist did in his 25 game sampling.

It also means very, very little, as a comparison between them. Of course it bodes well that it looks like Schneider can handle these minutes, but it doesn't bode poorly for Lundkvist based on how he played. In fact, again, Lundkvist's metrics were actually pretty good. People are remembering his handful of misplays, but he wasn't nearly as bad as people were saying.

There are things that are apparent that you don't need a whole bunch of things to see. For instance, I can tell you straight up that Nils will never defend the rush, work the corners, defend the front of the net or move the puck as well as Schneider. Nils metrics may have been okay, but he was also heavily sheltered. Schneider has been entrusted with more, and he has looked better.

It's 25 and 10 at the NHL level, but all reports (including eye witness reports from people here) it's how ever many games they've played at the AHL level as well. As pros in NA, there is no comparison, and the difference is drastic. Even offensively where Nils should have been more visible, it's Schneider who has been more impactful.

 

[Leonardo87]

2/15. Team will have about a week off and then 4 practices leading up to it.

Could use the rest.

Was thinking before that Kakko will have 24 days of rest before the tilt against the Bruins. Maybe he will come back recharged and looking more like himself.

 

[TheDirtyH]

Yea, their board doesn’t think it was offsides. I’m assuming they were watching the game with a blindfold on.

That was actually before their disallowed goal lmao

 

[Clark Kellogg]

Does it have to be an either/or? Can Nils play the left side?

Nils and No Jones both have and both can play the left side.

 

[Boris Zubov]

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Pizza?

 

[mas0764]

There are things that are apparent that you don't need a whole bunch of things to see. For instance, I can tell you straight up that Nils will never defend the rush, work the corners, defend the front of the net or move the puck as well as Schneider.

Well again, Schneider is bigger and so of course that lends itself to some of those things.

I don't agree that Nils will "never," move the puck as well as Schneider.

Nils metrics may have been okay, but he was also heavily sheltered. Schneider has been entrusted with more, and he has looked better.

Again, 20 and 21 year olds.

There's a ways to go.

 

[mas0764]

Does it have to be an either/or? Can Nils play the left side?

It shouldn't have to be, but I think some people want it to be.

IMO as I've said, assuming no can't-refuse offer for Nils, I'd shoehorn him in somewhere and then eventually when Trouba is moved my right side would be all three of them - Fox, Schneider, and Nils.

Left side would eventually be KAM, Jones, Robertson.

Trouba is too expensive for what he does and for the talent we have coming in. I love Lindgren but he's going to command a UFA contract at 26 and he takes a beating. That is flashing Girardi warning signs. The prudent move is probably to let him go even if you miss him for a season or two.

 

[rangersfansince08]

Schneider is just better and will come into his own and start being physical. Please do not trade him.

 

[CupSeeker]

Once we got physical, the game turned. It was Harlem Globetrotter time in the first and it was embarrassing. We put on our big boy pants and took it to them. Great win.

 

[CupSeeker]

Gallant loves McKegg too much on the pk so he’s not coming out. Hunt will before him

Pretty sure the taxi is done when the teams back in 2 weeks . So Barron , Jones etc going down

McKegg is a waste. Even when his positioning is good enough for him to get the puck, he vomits it up quickly. Not an NHLer.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

McKegg is a waste. Even when his positioning is good enough for him to get the puck, he vomits it up quickly. Not an NHLer.

It would be nice to have a forward in the system to pick up his role, but he is cheap and he gets the job done when needed. He is definitely an NHL player, but a role player no doubt.

I dont know why its so wrong to have players like him in the franchise, on any team for that matter. Every team is going to have a hole or two, especially when you have a few injuries creep up.

I'd rather have a guy of his level playing forth line minutes instead of being forced to play a tweener on the bottom pairing.

On the PK - he does just fine - and I'd rather have him out there sacrificing his body with the lead than someone more important.

 

[duhmetreE]

He doesn't have the goal scoring potential.

As an overall player? It's Nils who doesn't have the upside of Schneider.

After watching him play the past few games, I'd argue he's a lot closer than we'd though

 

[duhmetreE]

Ed Jovanoski said Kravtsov is going to score like 170 points in a season.

I'm saying Nils remains on par with Schneider as a prospect after 20 something games in which you have continued to try to convince people he's trash and should be moved for whatever we can get for him.

Yeah, same thing.

I'm the unreasonable one here.

you were clamoring Adam Fox clone weren't you?

and get extremely defensive about him. It's kinda weird... unless this is another Webster situation

 

[CupSeeker]

Pouliot was a third line player with Brassard and Zucc, not a fourth liner

Boyle Moore and Dorsett were the 4th line. You can argue they were better players than Hunt, sure (Dorsett not really but boyle and Moore sure, they both scored 18 points in the regular season)

Dorsett was better than Boyle and clearly Hunt. Hunt on 4th line LW is adequate. We should aspire to a better player for that slot next to Goodrow.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

Schneider is just better and will come into his own and start being physical. Please do not trade him.

I think Schneids is untouchable. Right-handed D men with his set of skills is very hard to find. They traded up to get him. Young, broadway looks, leadership qualities. Can do a little bit of everything, but most importantly can play a physical game and can move the puck.

I swear there have been a few occasions where hes jumped off the bench, picked up the puck and rushed in and I honestly thought it was Gauthier for a second. Now Gauthier isnt some powerhouse of an offensive player, but he is a very strong, aggressive skater. Seeing flashes like that says something about Schneider's potential on the other side of the puck

 

[LokiDog]

Once we got physical, the game turned. It was Harlem Globetrotter time in the first and it was embarrassing. We put on our big boy pants and took it to them. Great win.

I think this is something that someone (Gallant? Video coaches? Idk… do they want me to do a free presentation? I’ll volunteer) should be bringing into focus for them when we get back at it after the break.

We lose games when we try to be the Panthers or the Avalanche. Particularly when we rely on Strome and Panarin going cross ice to each other over and over again. We don’t have the offensive horses for that type of game. When we adapt like we did last night and play a black and blue, workmanlike game, we end up outplaying our opponents. And that’s, coincidentally, the game we are built for.

Schneider is looking great, but he’s not Makar or Girard. He’s a big boy who can play physical. Lindgren is at his best when he’s playing really hard nosed hockey. He had a BIG hit midway through the second last night and I remember thinking THERE’S Lindgren! He’d been missing. Trouba, ditto Schneider. Kreider’s a big body net front presence. Mika has skill, but he’s also a big boy who can use that size so much better than he has. Laf has shown he can get greasy. Kakko will be SO MUCH better when he learns to do the same and use his man size to go into tough areas and then say “get off me” to any opponent who steps into his space. Gauthier can’t finish but when he uses his speed and size effectively, he creates some chaos. Miller is a big and fast guy who has the ability to be physically dominating.

We brought in Reaves (guy is old, looks gassed but he was effective early and obviously has given the team an injection of backbone even if his minutes should be limited). We brought in Goodrow. We brought in Hunt. We brought in Blais (RIP, but when he’s in the lineup, he fits right into the argument I’m making).

All of the additions point to, and enhance, a team identity of winning by committee, through work and energy and grinding opponents to dust. Unfortunately three of the top four forwards on the team tend to want to play globetrotter hockey rather than buy into that game. All three wear As and they tend to steer the ship. We need to accept that as individually talented as they are, the NY Rangers are a team that isn’t built for globetrotter hockey. The second and third periods last night were the style of hockey that will make this team look as dangerous on the ice as their record is on paper. You could see it reflected in the amped up Kreider that came out for the first star. We need to get everyone to buy into that brand of hockey.

 

[mas0764]

you were clamoring Adam Fox clone weren't you?

You brought this up before, not sure where the disconnect is. I can't remember every last thing I ever posted but I'm pretty sure I never would have said Lundkvist is on Fox's level. He's similar as a player type, though not quality.

I made the argument that many scouts had Lundkvist in the top tier of defensive prospects not in the NHL right behind guys like Seider, Sanderson, and Drysdale. At that point (pre-2021 NHL draft), I think he was right there, or ahead of, in terms of his stock with anyone else (Broberg, Soderstrom, York, Harley, Heinola, Ty Smith, etc).

and get extremely defensive about him. It's kinda weird... unless this is another Webster situation

It's a point of contention about an evaluation on a particular player. People get defensive about Kreider and Trouba too whenever I bring up that they aren't gonna be here till the end of their contracts, so it's not just about me.

 

[Leonardo87]

Pizza?

I need to reduce the Pizza I consume, lol.

 

[rangersfansince08]

I think this is something that someone (Gallant? Video coaches? Idk… do they want me to do a free presentation? I’ll volunteer) should be bringing into focus for them when we get back at it after the break.

We lose games when we try to be the Panthers or the Avalanche. Particularly when we rely on Strome and Panarin going cross ice to each other over and over again. We don’t have the offensive horses for that type of game. When we adapt like we did last night and play a black and blue, workmanlike game, we end up outplaying our opponents. And that’s, coincidentally, the game we are built for.

Schneider is looking great, but he’s not Makar or Girard. He’s a big boy who can play physical. Lindgren is at his best when he’s playing really hard nosed hockey. He had a BIG hit midway through the second last night and I remember thinking THERE’S Lindgren! He’d been missing. Trouba, ditto Schneider. Kreider’s a big body net front presence. Mika has skill, but he’s also a big boy who can use that size so much better than he has. Laf has shown he can get greasy. Kakko will be SO MUCH better when he learns to do the same and use his man size to go into tough areas and then say “get off me” to any opponent who steps into his space. Gauthier can’t finish but when he uses his speed and size effectively, he creates some chaos. Miller is a big and fast guy who has the ability to be physically dominating.

We brought in Reaves (guy is old, looks gassed but he was effective early and obviously has given the team an injection of backbone even if his minutes should be limited). We brought in Goodrow. We brought in Hunt. We brought in Blais (RIP, but when he’s in the lineup, he fits right into the argument I’m making).

All of the additions point to, and enhance, a team identity of winning by committee, through work and energy and grinding opponents to dust. Unfortunately three of the top four forwards on the team tend to want to play globetrotter hockey rather than buy into that game. All three wear As and they tend to steer the ship. We need to accept that as individually talented as they are, the NY Rangers are a team that isn’t built for globetrotter hockey. The second and third periods last night were the style of hockey that will make this team look as dangerous on the ice as their record is on paper. You could see it reflected in the amped up Kreider that came out for the first star. We need to get everyone to buy into that brand of hockey.

Agreed. Still hope when Laf and Kakko take the next step and pieces like Othman and Berard make the jump we can become an offensive powerhouse.

 

[Boris Zubov]

I need to reduce the Pizza I consume, lol.

Nonsense. We all need to increase our pizza consumption.