Post-Game Talk: Dog

[will1066]

BREAKING: Goldman Sachs CEO David Solomon to stop DJing as "DJ D-Sol" and focus on his CEO duties.

Draw the parallels to Zib on your own.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

felt like teh coyotes started going down all over the ice in the third period especially last night. eitehr the rangers were getting very trip happy or someones were trying to draw some penalties

There was def some flopping going on, I remember an instance in particular in the third to the left of the Arizona net one of our players was forechecking and there were two Coyotes back, one went to the puck and the other slid over for some of that "legal" interference teams love so much - I think Cuylle was the forechecker - and the Coyote leaned into him and then flopped down pretty damn blatantly. Very easily could've been a diving call.

Also, that holding the stick call on Dermott in the second was a blatant dive as well, he grabbed Trouba's stick and leaned into him and then flopped himself down to try and make it look like Trouba pitchforked him. Pretty poor job of Dermott making it look legit though, it was obvious from the TV angle and the reverse angle on the replay was pretty hilarious at how blatant it was. Made his shocked act when he got up pretty funny.

 

[will1066]

If Kakko puts up 30 points again on a line that has a 60+% xGF. keep f***ing playing that line! I don't care.

Maybe figure out another fix, but like I said, playing him with not Kreider and not Zibanejad won't help him score more anyway. Common sense.

Look, finish off the plays being created. That's all there is to it. They haven't been a team that finishes for a couple of years now. @duhmetreE advocates shooting practices. I agree. Stop getting goalied by no-names, and stop with the Alex Frolov Day Camp specials.

 

[bhamill]

Atlantic terminal?

I f***ing hate Atlantic terminal. It’s barely a mall and Atlantic Avenue in general is f***ing hell, especially there.

I have friends who live a block away and I don’t know how they do it.

Since Hank's Saloon left Atlantic and 3rd, I have ZERO reason for going anywhere near that area.

 

[Machinehead]

Look, finish off the plays being created. That's all there is to it. They haven't been a team that finishes for a couple of years now. @duhmetreE advocates shooting practices. I agree. Stop getting goalied by no-names, and stop with the Alex Frolov Day Camp specials.

Obviously, this year has yet to play out, but over the last three years, we're 7th in shooting percentage. We rank 24th in expected goals and 15th in actual goals. This isn't a roster that struggles with finishing at all.

I feel like, because we went right from Lundqvist to Shesterkin, Rangers fans live in this bubble where somehow other teams don't have very good goaltending.

Every goalie in the NHL is very good. That's why I constantly talk about not caring about the position. Not because it isn't important but because even the no-names are elite.

Where do you figure Trocheck ranks among centers? He's pretty good. If there were only 64 centers and only 32 starting, he'd be a backup and not one of the better ones. A solid player like Filip Chytil would be a backup in the AHL if he were lucky.

Last night was a scrappy game and the xG said it deserved to be low-scoring. We obviously did very well against the Sabres. The only game where we didn't finish so far was Columbus.

 

[80shockeywasbuns]

Look, finish off the plays being created. That's all there is to it. They haven't been a team that finishes for a couple of years now. @duhmetreE advocates shooting practices. I agree. Stop getting goalied by no-names, and stop with the Alex Frolov Day Camp specials.

It’s really been the complete opposite for years now… NYR have been awful at controlling play and among the worst in the league at 5v5 offensive generation but have gotten by with opportunistic finishing and Igor being the 2nd coming of Jesus.

All that line needs is to control play. We know Zib/Kreider are excellent finishers and if Kakko is doing the dirty work getting 3rd assists who gives af, I definitely don’t

 

[bhamill]

There was def some flopping going on, I remember an instance in particular in the third to the left of the Arizona net one of our players was forechecking and there were two Coyotes back, one went to the puck and the other slid over for some of that "legal" interference teams love so much - I think Cuylle was the forechecker - and the Coyote leaned into him and then flopped down pretty damn blatantly. Very easily could've been a diving call.

Also, that holding the stick call on Dermott in the second was a blatant dive as well, he grabbed Trouba's stick and leaned into him and then flopped himself down to try and make it look like Trouba pitchforked him. Pretty poor job of Dermott making it look legit though, it was obvious from the TV angle and the reverse angle on the replay was pretty hilarious at how blatant it was. Made his shocked act when he got up pretty funny.

To quote the esteemed (yet fictional) Bunk Morehouse: "That's shameful shit."

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

He's been fine but too much perimeter BS from the Cock. some people get enamored with his stoping and starting and agility along the boards but lots of times it's just flash.

drive hard to the net while shielding the puck with your big body once in a while, or cut to the middle and find a passing option to more dangerous ice rather than just staying perimeter and cycling it to the point etc.

Yeah, this is the next step Kakko needs to take and if he does so he will start to find more consistency with his finishing. He's already borderline elite on the boards and protecting the puck down low, now he needs to get more decisive and determined to get to the center of the ice. If he can start getting to the slot for his shot and mixing in some head down net front cuts it's going to open more up for him. He's right there though, it really feels like he's a puzzle piece just sitting on the edge and it just needs to snap in.

 

[will1066]

It’s really been the complete opposite for years now… NYR have been awful at controlling play and among the worst in the league at 5v5 offensive generation but have gotten by with opportunistic finishing and Igor being the 2nd coming of Jesus.

All that line needs is to control play. We know Zib/Kreider are excellent finishers and if Kakko is doing the dirty work getting 3rd assists who gives af, I definitely don’t

I didn't look up their team shooting percentage, but I reckon it's not that good. Their shooting woes have been well discussed.

Obviously, this year has yet to play out, but over the last three years, we're 7th in shooting percentage. We rank 24th in expected goals and 15th in actual goals. This isn't a roster that struggles with finishing at all.

I feel like, because we went right from Lundqvist to Shesterkin, Rangers fans live in this bubble where somehow other teams don't have very good goaltending.

Every goalie in the NHL is very good. That's why I constantly talk about not caring about the position. Not because it isn't important but because even the no-names are elite.

Where do you figure Trocheck ranks among centers? He's pretty good. If there were only 64 centers and only 32 starting, he'd be a backup and not one of the better ones. A solid player like Filip Chytil would be a backup in the AHL if he were lucky.

Last night was a scrappy game and the xG said it deserved to be low-scoring. We obviously did very well against the Sabres. The only game where we didn't finish so far was Columbus.

We miss open nets. We miss empty nets. We shoot wide. We over pass. We chest snipe, as so many posters point out in GDTs. You can give me all the stats you want, but my mind's not changing on this one. As many goals as we have scored, we should have scored much more.

 

[CLW]

Yeah, this is the next step Kakko needs to take and if he does so he will start to find more consistency with his finishing. He's already borderline elite on the boards and protecting the puck down low, now he needs to get more decisive and determined to get to the center of the ice. If he can start getting to the slot for his shot and mixing in some head down net front cuts it's going to open more up for him. He's right there though, it really feels like he's a puzzle piece just sitting on the edge and it just needs to snap in.

I hope Peca is working with him on that. He often comes off the wall with the puck but that laser focus on the goal that the top players have isn't there. Find that + o-zone positioning and things will fall in place.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I didn't look up their team shooting percentage, but I reckon it's not that good. Their shooting woes have been well discussed.

I actually ran numbers and got different results than MH.

It's 6th in the NHL over the last 3 seasons 5v5.

Thats higher than the last 3 cup winners in that same span (Tampa 7th, Colorado 11th, Vegas 9th.)

 

[will1066]

Yeah, this is the next step Kakko needs to take and if he does so he will start to find more consistency with his finishing. He's already borderline elite on the boards and protecting the puck down low, now he needs to get more decisive and determined to get to the center of the ice. If he can start getting to the slot for his shot and mixing in some head down net front cuts it's going to open more up for him. He's right there though, it really feels like he's a puzzle piece just sitting on the edge and it just needs to snap in.

He needs to disguise his moves too. He's often too transparent in his intentions and telegraphing what he's about to do.

 

[bhamill]

I honestly don't like when the goalie gets in the middle of it, its like when girls get in the middle of fights, it makes things worse and they're usually in the way unless they are fighting the other goalie.

I think the thing is Coyotes had six skaters, no goalie on. So Shesty was just evening it up.

 

[Machinehead]

I didn't look up their team shooting percentage, but I reckon it's not that good. Their shooting woes have been well discussed.



We miss open nets. We miss empty nets. We shoot wide. We over pass. We chest snipe, as so many posters point out in GDTs. You can give me all the stats you want, but my mind's not changing on this one. As many goals as we have scored, we should have scored much more.

You just described every team. At even strength, 5% of all shot attempts result in a goal.

You want the Rangers to stop shooting bad? Ok, I want the Yankees to never strike out again.

 

[bobbop]

Coyotes on the verge of being a very good team. Their development pipeline is loaded with quality prospects.

 

[Greg02]

BREAKING: Goldman Sachs CEO David Solomon to stop DJing as "DJ D-Sol" and focus on his CEO duties.

Draw the parallels to Zib on your own.

I wait with bated breath to hear what Matt Levine has to say about this.

 

[will1066]

You just described every team. At even strength, 5% of all shot attempts result in a goal.

You want the Rangers to stop shooting bad? Ok, I want the Yankees to never strike out again.

Yeah I get it that it happens to every team. But you still need to finish on wide open nets and point blank opportunities. The notion that we make every goalie look like a Vezina-caliber backstopper didn't just manifest itself suddenly one day.

 

[bhamill]

Just noticed "Don't Fire Laviolette"... ahahahaha.

 

[Machinehead]

Yeah I get it that it happens to every team. But you still need to finish on wide open nets and point blank opportunities.

No you don't! Nobody does.

Even high danger scoring chances are not goals somewhere between 3/4 and 4/5 times.

"I get that it happens to every team."

Ok so you understand that point and you still want the Rangers to perform above deviation? Me too.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Yeah I get it that it happens to every team. But you still need to finish on wide open nets and point blank opportunities.

I mean thats the point.

Every team misses them. That isnt exclusive to the Rangers.

IF we're looking strictly at high danger attempts, the Rangers have the 5th highest shot% in that regard over the last 3 years. It hasn't been there for them yet but unless everyone just forgot how to score or they run into the shittiest collective luck of all time, that will flip.

 

[will1066]

No you don't! Nobody does.

Even high danger scoring chances are not goals somewhere between 3/4 and 4/5 times.

"I get that it happens to every team."

Ok so you understand that point and you still want the Rangers to perform above deviation? Me too.

"I don't want you to tell me the problem. I want you to tell me the solution." --Everyone

 

[Cmox]

There was def some flopping going on, I remember an instance in particular in the third to the left of the Arizona net one of our players was forechecking and there were two Coyotes back, one went to the puck and the other slid over for some of that "legal" interference teams love so much - I think Cuylle was the forechecker - and the Coyote leaned into him and then flopped down pretty damn blatantly. Very easily could've been a diving call.

Also, that holding the stick call on Dermott in the second was a blatant dive as well, he grabbed Trouba's stick and leaned into him and then flopped himself down to try and make it look like Trouba pitchforked him. Pretty poor job of Dermott making it look legit though, it was obvious from the TV angle and the reverse angle on the replay was pretty hilarious at how blatant it was. Made his shocked act when he got up pretty funny.

They were clutching a grabbing the whole game. It's never been this blatant since Tampa Bay in the playoffs.

 

[will1066]

I mean thats the point.

Every team misses them. That isnt exclusive to the Rangers.

IF we're looking strictly at high danger attempts, the Rangers have the 5th highest shot% in that regard over the last 3 years. It hasn't been there for them yet but unless everyone just forgot how to score or they run into the shittiest collective luck of all time, that will flip.

When? Soon, I hope.

 

[Machinehead]

"I don't want you to tell me the problem. I want you to tell me the solution." --Everyone

There is no solution. Players are human. The Rangers shoot above what human NHL players currently do in 2023.

Forget the analytics. You wanna talk about the comments in GDT's? Look at other team's GDT's.

You know who else always makes backups look great? You know who else has a shitty powerplay? You know who else always gives up first NHL goals? You know who else [enter trope here]?

 

[bhamill]

Buffalo is not a bad team; the Sabres are going to beat a lot of teams this year. Rangers played them almost perfectly because the Rangers are *good*.
The story of this year for the Rangers is going to be about the playoffs; can Lavi outcoach the other guy, and get the most from EVERYONE. Rangers are fine, shouldn't have any problem getting into the playoffs.

Buffalo should be a playoff team this year, and Coyotes are not going away in games. The negativity from some people on this board, win or lose, is just way over the top. Three games in, with a new coaching staff and system, and a .666 winning percentage, and they are writing players or the whole team off for the season. hahahahaha.

There is no solution. Players are human. The Rangers shoot above what human NHL players currently do in 2023.

Forget the analytics. You wanna talk about the comments in GDT's? Look at other team's GDT's.

You know who else always makes backups look great? You know who else has a shitty powerplay? You know who else always gives up first NHL goals? You know who else [enter trope here]?

YUP