Post-Game Talk: Dog

[GoAwayPanarin]

I have lists.

Legitimate things to complain about with the Rangers:

-We don't exactly score a ton of goals over the last few years and we can speculate on the reasons all day
-We tend to get outplayed 5v5 over the last few years
-There's like one bad goalie and we found him
-Schneider sucks and, by extension, our third pair sucks
-If you want the kids to score more, that's valid
-We're slower than eternity
-Goodrow sucks
-Outside of Panarin we don't have good passers at forward

Things that every fanbase complains about every game:

-Missing the net
-Making random goalies look good
-Some rookie scored on us
-Some scrub scored on us
-We had the lead and then we didn't
-Our powerplay sucks
-"Overpassing"
-The ice sucks
-We always lose in overtime
-This arena is dark
-Chest snipe
-Compete level/effort/toughness/whatever all in one category
-The other team got some chances therefore we suck at coverage

We had the lead and then we didn't lol.

 

[bhamill]

And another thing.

This board? f***ing incredible. The Honor Society compared to what's out there.

I'm somebody who ventures out. I read the mains and shit. You wouldn't believe what people complain about and say on a regular basis.

I've had to explain Wayne Gretzky being good to people more times than I can count.

That's actually nice to hear, in a schadenfreude-esque sort of way. I never bother venturing off here, and I'm glad I don't. I think I'm just too old for some of the prevailing negativity that goes on even here, thanks for putting it in perspective. And for the warning. Hahaha.

 

[80shockeywasbuns]

I have lists.

Legitimate things to complain about with the Rangers:

-We don't exactly score a ton of goals over the last few years and we can speculate on the reasons all day
-We tend to get outplayed 5v5 over the last few years
-There's like one bad goalie and we found him
-Schneider sucks and, by extension, our third pair sucks
-If you want the kids to score more, that's valid
-We're slower than eternity
-Goodrow sucks
-Outside of Panarin we don't have good passers at forward

Things that every fanbase complains about every game:

-Missing the net
-Making random goalies look good
-Some rookie scored on us
-Some scrub scored on us
-We had the lead and then we didn't
-Our powerplay sucks
-"Overpassing"
-The ice sucks
-We always lose in overtime
-This arena is dark
-Chest snipe
-Compete level/effort/toughness/whatever all in one category
-The other team got some chances therefore we suck at coverage

Gotta add faceoff% to the bottom list

 

[zlev]

look at how bad the 4th line is lol (but also look at how good everyone else is)

 

[Leonardo87]

 

[bhamill]

When done right and I think that shows exactly why Lias Andersson was a failure and what I had wrong about both Trouba and Lias. When Lias threw his Silver Medal, I thought it was a sign of passion and leadership, saying this isn't good enough I want more, when really it was him being a spoiled brat.

When Trouba demanded his way out of Winnipeg, I thought it was entitlement and he would be a team cancer. When in reality, he is the exact opposite.

I thought the same about Lias, but not Trouba.

 

[Machinehead]

And this one is directed at nobody here but it always needs to be said:

WAYNE GRETZKY WAS NOT SLOW!!!

He was slow when he was old, but so was everyone.

Prime Gretzky burned like a wok when he had to.

 

[DanielBrassard]

What a benefit it has been to have Gustafsson, part of the reason why the Rangers have been so poor at 5v5 the past couple years is a third pair that is completely anemic at making plays with the puck, that's not a problem and shouldn't be this season.

 

[bhamill]

And this one is directed at nobody here but it always needs to be said:

WAYNE GRETZKY WAS NOT SLOW!!!

He was slow when he was old, but so was everyone.

Prime Gretzky burned like a wok when he had to.

He was able to be extremely effective slowing the game down, so he did that a LOT... BUT yeah he was able to go when he needed to. And he was quick/shifty/agile too; there's a reason a smaller guy like him didn't get shellacked in that era. I mean a reason besides Semenko and McSorely, of course. Hahaha.

 

[DialUp]

I've had to explain Wayne Gretzky being good to people more times than I can count.

But what about conditioning!!

 

[Gardner McKay]

And this one is directed at nobody here but it always needs to be said:

WAYNE GRETZKY WAS NOT SLOW!!!

He was slow when he was old, but so was everyone.

Prime Gretzky burned like a wok when he had to.

These days, I mostly just come here for the Machineheadisms.

 

[tlk]

Brodz always made the most sense

Still an AHL'er tho. Says something re the current 4th line.

 

[zlev]

What a benefit it has been to have Gustafsson, part of the reason why the Rangers have been so poor at 5v5 the past couple years is a third pair that is completely anemic at making plays with the puck, that's not a problem and shouldn't be this season.

yeah it seems like the best way to make up for Schneiders shortcomings is to pair him with a guy who constantly has the puck going the other way up the ice

will be interesting to see if it continues when we play a good team

 

[JHS]

Sometimes when the other team plays well it looks like you're not giving an effort. I would love you to point out insurances where you thought the team played hard when they were getting outplayed.

Your circular logic confuses me again. How can I point out times when the Rangers were playing well and yet were being outplayed? Arizona did nothing noticeably better at the start of the second period but I can clearly point out the lull the Rangers had in the second period when they went almost the first 10 minutes without a shot on goal. That's not because Arizona was suffocating them throughout the ice. Perhaps I need to sight the literal every NHL expert including Vali who routinely agrees with me.that a full 60 minute effort is the next step this team needs to take to be contending for the cup.

I don't even understand what this argument is about- you can't really believe the Rangers played a full 60 minute game last night...or maybe you do...

 

[Machinehead]

But what about conditioning!!

If one criticism of Gretzky is legitimate, it's that he was about a buck-fifty.

He lasted a long time despite that and mostly stayed off the shelf.

Kessel is in the same boat. He might have a dad bod but he could play forever.

 

[ArPanet]

Noticed Cuylle got a couple of shifts with Panarin and Chytil.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Your circular logic confuses me again. How can I point out times when the Rangers were playing well and yet were being outplayed? Arizona did nothing noticeably better at the start of the second period but I can clearly point out the lull the Rangers had in the second period when they went almost the first 10 minutes without a shot on goal. That's not because Arizona was suffocating them throughout the ice. Perhaps I need to sight the literal every NHL expert including Vali who routinely agrees with me.that a full 60 minute effort is the next step this team needs to take to be contending for the cup.

I don't even understand what this argument is about- you can't really believe the Rangers played a full 60 minute game last night...or maybe you do...

Because a team getting outplayed for parts of 60 minutes of a game happens in EVERY game. The only way you can reconcile that play with asking for a 60 minutes effort is by saying you can be outplayed AND play well. And you said something earlier something to that effect.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

One thing i can never stand is people saying Lemieux was better than Gretzky because... he was injured more?

 

[DanielBrassard]

Noticed Cuylle got a couple of shifts with Panarin and Chytil.

That's happened every game so far, Laviolette has been double shifting Panarin at times, which is smart when he's skating like he has.

 

[will1066]

These days, I mostly just come here for the Machineheadisms.

Lol

Needless to say, I'm "on the list."

 

[will1066]

If one criticism of Gretzky is legitimate, it's that he was about a buck-fifty.

He lasted a long time despite that and mostly stayed off the shelf.

Kessel is in the same boat. He might have a dad bod but he could play forever.

Gretzky was good at not making himself vulnerable and later on got added protection from McSorley.

 

[Kodiak]

Schmid aside, we make plenty of backup goalies and rookie goalies look like absolute monsters. Now if you're saying this happens to all teams and there's no solution, then fine, let's just accept it. And then maybe we all should stop complaining about chest snipes and missing wide on gaping nets because of the IT WILL HAPPEN laws of statistics. And be happy with our vaunted expected goals for number. Zib, you go ahead and keep attempting that one-timer that everyone knows is coming. Trouba, you keep shooting it just for the sake of shooting it, and that's when you're not completely missing the net.

One of the reasons why this is a common complaint is because those games stick out in your mind. The result did not line up with your expectations. When you light up the backup goalie, you tend to forget because that is how it is supposed to be.

Does anyone remember hanging four or more goals on the following backup/minor league goaltenders last year? Because we did.

Michael Hutchinson (twice)
Kevin Lankinen (chased him in less than 10 minutes)
Jonathan Quick (he was, at best, splitting time with Copley before being traded)
Arturs Silovs
Martin Jones
Spencer Martin
Alex Lyon
Pyotr Kochetkov
Arvid Soderblom
Cal Petersen
Connor Ingram
Scott Wedgewood

 

[Greg02]

Lol

Needless to say, I'm "on the list."

I mean this is logically consistent if you believe that there are a bunch of mostly good, reasonably similar goalies who are sometimes amazing and sometimes just kind of meh.

I wish the arena was darker, turn off the lights, turn off the lights. It adds some character.

We need an NHL game played in the dark with glowing equipment like in that one Rocket Power episode where they met Tony Hawk.

 

[will1066]

I mean this is logically consistent if you believe that there are a bunch of mostly good, reasonably similar goalies who are sometimes amazing and sometimes just kind of meh.


We need an NHL game played in the dark with glowing equipment like in that one Rocket Power episode where they met Tony Hawk.

Yes, yes, the law of averages. The median. The mean.

 

[TominNC]

I have lists.

Legitimate things to complain about with the Rangers:

-We don't exactly score a ton of goals over the last few years and we can speculate on the reasons all day
-We tend to get outplayed 5v5 over the last few years
-There's like one bad goalie and we found him
-Schneider sucks and, by extension, our third pair sucks
-If you want the kids to score more, that's valid
-We're slower than eternity
-Goodrow sucks
-Outside of Panarin we don't have good passers at forward

Things that every fanbase complains about every game:

-Missing the net
-Making random goalies look good
-Some rookie scored on us
-Some scrub scored on us
-We had the lead and then we didn't
-Our powerplay sucks
-"Overpassing"
-The ice sucks
-We always lose in overtime
-This arena is dark
-Chest snipe
-Compete level/effort/toughness/whatever all in one category
-The other team got some chances therefore we suck at coverage

You forgot “the refs cheated for the other team”