Post-Game Talk: Does it count for 2? Panthers win 6th longest game in NHL history

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It's actually a good question IMO. Hockey is always going to be a sport that's primarily driven by wealthy enclaves that can support ice skating rinks and pay for loads of equipment. As I mentioned, I think in that thread, South Korea and Japan are two good Asian markets for hockey due to said factors.

I have to go to East and SE Asia on business sometimes, same with Latin America. Hockey isn't going to become a big sport in those regions within my lifetime, for a myriad of reasons.
Baseball has already done a great job getting in through the Asian market obviously. They love baseball over there, like deep love!
Basketball is becoming Quickly very popular over there as well.
Hockey is just salavating to break down the doors to that Huge untapped hockey market.
 
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Unless I am mistaken, both countries already have International Hockey teams. So it is played there already. But popularity wont actually increase unless star players come from there.

I don't agree with this general assertion, and in fact I think the common complaint that "the NHL sucks at marketing its stars" is an inversion of reality. Connor McDavid is hugely popular in Canada, because hockey is very popular in Canada. He's not popular in the US because hockey is a niche sport. Hockey fans obviously know who he is and think he's awesome, but hockey fans are a very small minority of the American population. The NHL does well in the USA because America is an insanely wealthy country with a large population, not because hockey is super popular.

Think about it from this point of view for a second: David Beckham didn't become an international superstar because FIFA marketed the shit out of him, he became an international superstar because soccer is the most popular sport in the world and he was really good at it.

You're not gonna see an explosion of Venezuelan hockey mania in Doral if the Panthers win the Stanley Cup. You'll pick up a few here and there, and they might hit one game a year as a novelty, but it's just not happening. I speak from experience on this, as I think I have probably brought more South American visitors to hockey games than anybody on the planet.

If it is a good game, people who are inclined to seek it out will find it and enjoy it. But people who don't grow up with it culturally aren't going to latch on to it the way that people who grow up around it will. This is one reason why I think the Panthers have done great work with youth hockey... it gets parents interested, too.
 

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Thinking Barkov and Lundell lines go up against their top 6 lines and Bennetts line will likely go against their 3rd line?

So our 1st and 3rd lines vs their top 2 lines and then our 2nd line vs their 3rd line?

Will be interested to see what line matching each coach does with home ice/line matchup advantage and if it changes over the series?

Also Freddy has been lights out so we will need to crack his cheat code.
IMO we are the more fortunate offensive team where they will limit shots as much as possible.
 
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Baseball has already done a great job getting in through the Asian market obviously. They love baseball over there, like deep love!
Basketball is becoming Quickly very popular over there as well.
Hockey is just salavating to break down the doors to that Huge untapped hockey market.

So when you say 'the Asian market' you gotta understand that it's radically different depending on which country you're dealing with. You bring up baseball, so I'm gonna assume you mostly mean east Asia, and specifically Korea and Japan. Baseball has been popular in Japan since the Meiji Era, due mostly to deliberate westernization as part of its attempt to modernize. Baseball likewise has some history in Korea following its annexation by Japan in 1910, but really only exploded in popularity following the Korean War as South Korea essentially became a US protectorate. So there are major historical factors there that pushed interest, and in the case of Japan these were artificial and intentional.

Japan and Korea are realistically the best places to see growth in hockey interest in east Asia.. You have real winter climates, you have existing interest in winter sports, ice skating is popular there, and they are extremely wealthy countries where kids who are interested in sports can actually buy lots of equipment. All critically important factors. The Japanese women's ice hockey team has qualified for the last three Olympiads, which is an interesting development, and probably a really good indicator that the sport has some legs there.

The NHL briefly flirted with China when the NBA thought it was going to be a golden goose, and then wisely cooled off on that idea. There are a lot of cultural, economic, and political reasons why that isn't going to work any time soon. I think if the NHL wants to play exhibition games -- or even an international series -- in an east Asian market, Japan is the obvious choice. Whether or not anyone in the league office has a brain to figure that out remains to be seen.
 

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So when you say 'the Asian market' you gotta understand that it's radically different depending on which country you're dealing with. You bring up baseball, so I'm gonna assume you mostly mean east Asia, and specifically Korea and Japan. Baseball has been popular in Japan since the Meiji Era, due mostly to deliberate westernization as part of its attempt to modernize. Baseball likewise has some history in Korea following its annexation by Japan in 1910, but really only exploded in popularity following the Korean War as South Korea essentially became a US protectorate. So there are major historical factors there that pushed interest, and in the case of Japan these were artificial and intentional.

Japan and Korea are realistically the best places to see growth in hockey interest in east Asia.. You have real winter climates, you have existing interest in winter sports, ice skating is popular there, and they are extremely wealthy countries where kids who are interested in sports can actually buy lots of equipment. All critically important factors. The Japanese women's ice hockey team has qualified for the last three Olympiads, which is an interesting development, and probably a really good indicator that the sport has some legs there.

The NHL briefly flirted with China when the NBA thought it was going to be a golden goose, and then wisely cooled off on that idea. There are a lot of cultural, economic, and political reasons why that isn't going to work any time soon. I think if the NHL wants to play exhibition games -- or even an international series -- in an east Asian market, Japan is the obvious choice. Whether or not anyone in the league office has a brain to figure that out remains to be seen.
I guess I am ignorant when it comes to that half of the world. Yes, I do mean the East Asian, markets like Japan or Korea.
When covid happened, I watched a little bit of KBL, that was really good. When the WBC was going on, ìt was awesome to hear how those players are treated like gods over in Japan.

It sounds like you don't think the NHL would be worth marketing. In China? Why is that?
 

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Thinking Barkov and Lundell lines go up against their top 6 lines and Bennetts line will likely go against their 3rd line?

So our 1st and 3rd lines vs their top 2 lines and then our 2nd line vs their 3rd line?

Will be interested to see what line matching each coach does with home ice/line matchup advantage and if it changes over the series?

Also Freddy has been lights out so we will need to crack his cheat code.
IMO we are the more fortunate offensive team where they will limit shots as much as possible.
It’s going to be like chess 2 coaches that teach the forecheck like religion.
 

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This stood out to me as a very positive change for the franchise.

Bukala's quick breakdown of Panthers since Zito joined as GM.
Tallon the ever patient GM
Zito the aggressive GM


 
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It sounds like you don't think the NHL would be worth marketing. In China? Why is that?

Setting aside the political issues (which aren't going to improve), and the frequent observation that China is about the most difficult market on the planet to enter in any fashion, there's the grim outlook of youth hockey there. You've got to have interest from the bottom up, and it's real hard to get that when a slim minority of the country can afford to play the game or even find a rink, and most of those families are steering their children far away from contact sports.
 

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This stood out to me as a very positive change for the franchise.

Bukala's quick breakdown of Panthers since Zito joined as GM.
Tallon the ever patient GM
Zito the aggressive GM



Noticed that too. I've been be harping a lot in the past about how cheap owners have been even when spending to the cap. Roster spending is just the buy-in to even think about competing. The spend on everything else is needed to be a serious competitor.

Have to say I've been much more happy with owners hearing about the various things they've been doing since Zito joined. Like we're becoming a real org
 

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Noticed that too. I've been be harping a lot in the past about how cheap owners have been even when spending to the cap. Roster spending is just the buy-in to even think about competing. The spend on everything else is needed to be a serious competitor.

Have to say I've been much more happy with owners hearing about the various things they've been doing since Zito joined. Like we're becoming a real org

Wondering if it was a group effort to pick up Forsling, Verhaeghe and Montour?
Mahura has been a possible stealth pickup if he ever gets a look at top 4 but think he's stapled to 6th/7th role if we upgrade defense in free agency.

Those 3 mentioned first could be here for next 5-6 years and have become important pieces going forward.
Curious if they dig into the waiver/buy low scheme again this July.
 

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Lmfao Boogie Cuz talking about the Radko scream is hilarious. He cant stop laughing lmfao

"Whos getting too much praise"

Tkachuk :laugh:
 
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So the betting houses are looking at metrics again. Completely wrong in almost every game once again we are the vast underdogs and Carolina has everything and the Panthers were just lucky. Maybe just maybe names like Montour, Verhege yes Duclaire and of course Barkov and least brought up in all the pre game shows yes Matthew who might just have saved some for a series like this. And guys like Cousins in the back drop. I might be leaving out someone. Once again just how we have to like it and yes keep doing us favors like keeping us the massive underdogs how’s it worked out for the betting houses so far…. ha ha lol.
I forgot Lundy and lusti and lomby the Forster and of course Sammy this is a talented group with a pretty good forecheck a lethal combination that could and should be ready to explode !!!!!!!!!
 
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Wondering if it was a group effort to pick up Forsling, Verhaeghe and Montour?
Mahura has been a possible stealth pickup if he ever gets a look at top 4 but think he's stapled to 6th/7th role if we upgrade defense in free agency.

Those 3 mentioned first could be here for next 5-6 years and have become important pieces going forward.
Curious if they dig into the waiver/buy low scheme again this July.

Those were some great pickups on the cheap. Even Bennett trade was really good value and a buy-low kind of move.

I recall reading about how we've really been beefing up our analytics department, drawing with autocad while others still use crayons. Hopefully it continues to help us uncover some gems cause we're gonna need it with so little picks!
 
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Let's see. Every podcast, article, YT video dealing with series predictions(that aren't Panther based) have us out. Again. Sounds familiar. It doesn't bother/surprise me, just pointing it out.
HF poll and all the Athletic articles have this series waaay closer than the other 2 (55-45 Canes where Leafs was 75-25 and Bruins 85-15) the fact they have it so close makes me more nervous.
 

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This stood out to me as a very positive change for the franchise.

Bukala's quick breakdown of Panthers since Zito joined as GM.
Tallon the ever patient GM
Zito the aggressive GM


That part is interesting. I wonder if Viola just realized he has to spend, or if Tallon wasn’t forward thinking enough to ask for/create those new positions.
 
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Getting Lomberg back would be a huge upgrade to our 4th line and we are going to need the depth vs. Carolina.
 

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Lmfao Boogie Cuz talking about the Radko scream is hilarious. He cant stop laughing lmfao

"Whos getting too much praise"

Tkachuk :laugh:

Good interview with Cousins. Wish we got more of this type of stuff from the media. The generic interviews on ESPN and Ballys suck ass.
 
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