Does dubas remain GM if the leafs get bounced by Florida?

[hockeywiz542]

Mirtle: A new coach? New GM? What do the Maple Leafs do now after another early exit?

Major organizational decisions are coming to a head. And even those in the middle of it all do not have a clue what will happen next.

theathletic.com

You won’t be seeing this group run back.

Major organizational decisions are coming to a head. And even those in the middle of it all do not have a clue what will happen next.

Part of what’s next for the Leafs rests with their three-headed ownership group, which has to date been at odds over the future of Toronto’s front office. Will Rogers, Bell and Larry Tanenbaum be able to quickly come together and agree on a path forward? Will it include president Brendan Shanahan and general manager Kyle Dubas?

After nine years of this leadership group, do they believe there was enough progress, with their team eliminated after only five games — by the last seed in the Eastern Conference — in the second round?

Do they want to give The Shanaplan a third GM and fourth coach in under a decade?

Is there even time to clean house at the very top, with only six weeks until the draft and free agency period begins?

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Most importantly, however, whoever is in control of the Leafs front office will have a Core Four group who will all have a great deal of no-trade protection beginning seven weeks from today.

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Years left on contracts are hardly going to be a guarantee of who’s staying. But moving any of them is going to be incredibly complicated, difficult and franchise-altering.

Not moving any of them and you risk a similar result at this time next season.

Running everything back no longer feels like a viable option for this club, even after another strong regular season and knocking out the Tampa Bay Lightning in Round 1. Not with how the first three games of their series against the Panthers played out, with the most expensive top-end offense in the league coming up short again and again.

Not with all the long-term ramifications involved, starting at the very top.

And not given ownership pressure is sure to dial up to a new level, perhaps to the point they’re demanding substantive change rather than merely suggesting it.

 

[PromisedLand]

This was a well reasoned article and I think the negatives far outweigh any positives. Need a new Gm and pronto before July 1st to unload marner and get a read on matthews (sign at reasonable aav if not he is out too)

Should Kyle Dubas return as GM of Maple Leafs?

Is Kyle Dubas the right man for the job in Toronto, or is it time for the Leafs to move on? There is merit to both arguments.

ca.sports.yahoo.com

 

[Racer88]

You can try to predict the future using the past, and you should - at least to a point.

But I'd bet the guy who has the most goals since entering the league is probably going to score more moving forward than his replacement.

I'd trade Marner - I genuinely don't think his skills translate in the playoffs, but I'd keep AM34.

I’m with you on the trade Marner instead of Matthews but Matthews most goals since he has entered the league is mainly in the Regular season. For the most part he has been pretty unproductive in the playoffs from a goal standpoint. As for Marner not being built for the post season you are 100% correct.

 

[PromisedLand]

Matthews and Nylander's NMC in 6 weeks. Marner's in a year. Great work Kyle.

Nope!

Marner's NMC starts at the same time as Matthews i.e. July 1st thats coming. Thats how terrible dubas has been as a GM

 

[sunstersun]

Nope!

Marner's NMC starts at the same time as Matthews i.e. July 1st thats coming. Thats how terrible dubas has been as a GM

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It really feels like the only way out of this mess is to trade Matthews AND Marner.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

Nope, he's kind of a goober.



Such a paradox. They rely on Justin Holl so much solely because of his body type. But they don't value that body type very much when drafting defensemen.

The Management team doesn't really have much of a plan if they keep flip flopping on what kind of players they want to have. First it was best available player no matter how small..then it became high hockey IQ (Kerfoot is held as an example) then it became what? I still don't know. All I do know is if you had a chance to sign Noel Accari in the offseason for free and you skimped out only to pay draft capital to acquire him later so you could keep Engvall and Kerfoot for the season...then you really don't understand what this is all about when it comes to playoffs.

 

[PromisedLand]

Is it really worth having a debate about a GM's job when this franchise has won 1 series in 7 years?

In any other profession/team, this wouldn't be a debate.

In any other "Competent" and "profession/team with accountability" this wouldn't be a debate

Time to see how 'competent' and 'accountable' MLSE is

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

Labeling everything you don't understand as "voodoo" is a very self serving world view and I'd expect more insight from a front office with the resources it has.

I don't mean to bring up Lou...but when he let Robin Lehner go after that one good season on the Island...everyone thought he was crazy for going with Varlamov instead....goalies are not totally Voodoo if you know what you're doing.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

That is why some of them must go. They might think they do but they do not care enough to be winners

Does anyone remember what Kyle Clifford had to say about his first experience with the team when they lost to the CBJ's? He said the young players cared more about video games than winning in the playoffs...maybe he was right.

 

[notbias]

Nope!

Marner's NMC starts at the same time as Matthews i.e. July 1st thats coming. Thats how terrible dubas has been as a GM

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You may want to look around the league if you think this is not common...

 

[thewave]

Nope!

Marner's NMC starts at the same time as Matthews i.e. July 1st thats coming. Thats how terrible dubas has been as a GM

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OMG I missed that. The little weasel set us up to fail. He basically armed those players with the ability to unify and hold us hostage for negotiations all together.....

Wow

 

[PromisedLand]

OMG I missed that. The little weasel set us up to fail. He basically armed those players with the ability to unify and hold us hostage for negotiations all together.....

Wow

Yup! He is a freakin fraud. instead of working for the franchise that pays his salary, and the fans that spend their hard earned money, he worked in favor of the players to both screw the organization and the fans.

it is unfathomable how smoeone can be so inept but here we are....

 

[Lemontree]

The Management team doesn't really have much of a plan if they keep flip flopping on what kind of players they want to have. First it was best available player no matter how small..then it became high hockey IQ (Kerfoot is held as an example) then it became what? I still don't know. All I do know is if you had a chance to sign Noel Accari in the offseason for free and you skimped out only to pay draft capital to acquire him later so you could keep Engvall and Kerfoot for the season...then you really don't understand what this is all about when it comes to playoffs.

Don't forget that Dubas chose to sign Abue-Kubel over Accari as well as keep Wayne Simmonds on the roster.

 

[Lemontree]

Does anyone remember what Kyle Clifford had to say about his first experience with the team when they lost to the CBJ's? He said the young players cared more about video games than winning in the playoffs...maybe he was right.

He might have been correct about that. Lets not forgot about Kyle Clifford, who the game past by years ago but remained taking a roster spot because Clifford was Dubas first client when he had a brief career as a player agent. Dubas is such a visionary!

Kyle Dubas has run the Leafs just like a terrible politician runs whatever branch of government they are involved in.

 

[Eternal Leaf]

This season Dubas did a good job other than the goaltending. I didn't think he missed on much else and most of what he did was logical. The issue is the core he's trusting has done nothing to repay him and their level drops in the playoffs making the depth additions useless.

If Matthews, Marner, and Tavares played to the level of their contracts, Toronto would have steamrolled Florida.

I don't mind Dubas coming back but only if he's willing to break up the core. If he's stubborn, you move on and find someone with a fresh perspective that's not blinded by the core players.

 

[Gabriel426]

You know what will can explode the HF server and Twitter, Dubas pulls a Benning and gets Shanny fired while he promotes to President and let Spezza and Prindhim be the AGM and run the Leafs.

 

[Lemontree]

This season Dubas did a good job other than the goaltending. I didn't think he missed on much else and most of what he did was logical. The issue is the core he's trusting has done nothing to repay him and their level drops in the playoffs making the depth additions useless.

If Matthews, Marner, and Tavares played to the level of their contracts, Toronto would have steamrolled Florida.

I don't mind Dubas coming back but only if he's willing to break up the core. If he's stubborn, you move on and find someone with a fresh perspective that's not blinded by the core players.

You are happy with the D group and missing two top 6 wingers?

 

[Eternal Leaf]

You are happy with the D group and missing two top 6 wingers?

It's hard to be happy about much right now, but my perspective is simple.

When I look at the Florida or even Tampa series, I never once felt Toronto's roster was outmatched. They were favorites across the board. This team on the ice should have won the series with its current makeup so it's hard to claim that Dubas should have added even more.

Yes, improvements are always welcome but this was a complete failure from the players and coaching staff.

 

[Apex Predator]

You are happy with the D group and missing two top 6 wingers?

There are some concerns on the D.

Brodie is aging and showing signs of slowing down.

McCabe struggled with lots of ice time.

Liljegren has some sophomore slumps with his up and down season. Hopefully gets back to 1st half Lily next season.

Giordano can’t be relied on to play Top 6 for 82 games and playoffs.

 

[Lemontree]

It's hard to be happy about much right now, but my perspective is simple.

When I look at the Florida or even Tampa series, I never once felt Toronto's roster was outmatched. They were favorites across the board. This team on the ice should have won the series with its current makeup so it's hard to claim that Dubas should have added even more.

Yes, improvements are always welcome but this was a complete failure from the players and coaching staff.

Did you ever feel like Tampa or Florida was outmatched by the Leafs? That's the important part of this. Tampa is slowing down as each yearly version of their team gets weaker and weaker due to having to jettison more depth and with their core aging and putting on hard miles.....like going to 3 straight SC Finals while winning 2 of them.

Florida, simply isn't that good of a team. They play hard and they are good enough to not beat themselves and make their opponent beat them. There was nothing impressive about how Florida looked and played against the Leafs....and they wrapped the series in 5 games.

 

[stats1]

I think major changes are coming. Would not be shocked at all if Matthews is traded in a sign and trade kind of deal where he goes to LA. I think Keefe is gone, I think any GM with no years left on his contract are gone. I could see Marner being traded. A new direction is needed

 

[HamiltonNHL]

I think major changes are coming. Would not be shocked at all if Matthews is traded in a sign and trade kind of deal where he goes to LA. I think Keefe is gone, I think any GM with no years left on his contract are gone. I could see Marner being traded. A new direction is needed

With all the work needing to be completed, doesn't that almost guarantee Dubas will get an extension ?

I think he needs a 2 year show me deal.

And it has to be soon, so he get to work.

 

[stats1]

You know what will can explode the HF server and Twitter, Dubas pulls a Benning and gets Shanny fired while he promotes to President and let Spezza and Prindhim be the AGM and run the Leafs.

I have a feeling Spezza does become AGM I told my wife this morning. You don’t put Spezza beside Dubas without trusting his ability to scout players and his knowledge of the game.

Only thing is Dubas is fired. New GM promote Spezza as AGM

 

[hockeywiz542]

In my opinion, here is the problem with Kyle Dubas:

1. he is too attached to players that he either personally signed or traded for

2. he doesn't seem to admit or correct his past mistakes quickly enough or in a cost-efficient manner

3. he sometimes makes the same mistakes all over again

4. he only recently decided to stray away from his own preferred team building strategy which is solely based upon speed, skill, and hockey analytics

5. for some unknown reason, he extremely loyal to former hockey players with whom he has worked with in the past as a former certified NHLPA player agent and/or former GM of the OHL’s Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds

In my opinion, the Toronto Maple Leafs really need a new GM right now who is not bias and is willing to do whatever it takes to progress the hockey club forward in a new and much more successful direction.

 

[stats1]

In my opinion, here is the problem with Kyle Dubas:

1. he is too attached to players that he either personally signed or traded for

2. he doesn't seem to admit or correct his past mistakes quickly or in a cost-efficient manner

3. he sometimes makes the same mistakes all over again

4. he only recently decided to stray away from his team building strategy with is solely based upon speed, skill, and hockey analytics

5. he is for some unknown reason, extremely loyal to former hockey players with whom he has worked with in the past as a former certified NHLPA player agent and/or former GM of the OHL’s Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds

In my opinion, the Toronto Maple Leafs really need a new GM right now who is not bias and is willing to do whatever it takes to progress the hockey club forward in a new more successful direction.

Dubas was too late changing direction. His first 3-4 years he was stubborn the last 2 he’s woken up but it’s too late now…. Trust me he and Keefe are toast. Dubas not having a contract when the draft is less than 2 months away speaks volumes.