Maybe with bit players but he has been pretty steadfast in his support for the top guys. Im not convinced he could make the hard decisions with those guys.
Does dubas remain GM if the leafs get bounced by Florida?
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Good luck Pens, we’ve seen that movie.
I’d be interested in someone from the Canes organization as GM. Like their build.
In the world of sports , maybe, whatever if you wanna think that ... But to actually think Dubas is the worst thing to happen to the city of Toronto in general, with all the shit that's happening, dude, you have some issues you need to fix and I hope you get help.
Exact same situation here. The Leafs were my childhood team, but I watch far more hockey than just them. It's been painfully obvious for those without blue and white goggles that this setup ain't it. I was one of the first in on the Matthews and Marner would rather hangout with Bieber than play hockey in May bit. I called Dubas a fraud from day 1. Yet I was ridiculed and called not a real fan because I didn't worship at the altar.
Quite possibly the funniest one for me though is Luke Schenn. I said he'd be a top 4 if not top pairing d man on this team. Yet the clowns insisted liabilities like Holl and Giordano were better, because Schenn got traded away from here 10 years ago or something. L O f***ing L
According to Keefe the leafs are a team that should win the cup......weird to say shit like that after getting bounced the way they did.
keonsbitterness
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Entire history of the city? I can think of many far worse.
they were not even close lol, like how do you even come out and say that! its disturbing cant wait till the house is cleaned and we move on from this
While not a huge Keefe fan he didnt make Marner dingle dangle and cough up the puck over and over or make Matthews not score while showing the minimal amount of giving a shit or make Tavares the slowest guy on the ice...etc
While people are right to point out he's probably not the worst thing to happen to the city of Toronto, I like the cut of your jib. Keep fighting the good fight
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Looking at all the wreckage of the Shanaplan, one of the things the Leafs have done really poorly as a management team during this era is managing fan expectations. You can have a Stanley Cup goal and build a skill team that outpaces everyone else, but you don't have to talk like a front running, inevitable cup winner and beat the drum about how you'll outskill everyone.
All that dummy talk just put a target on their back and created unnecessary talking points when they could have gone about their business seriously on the ice and quietly off of it.
Stephen
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Keefe isn't a great tactician but you're right that the failure was on the ice by his players in the big moment. Where Keefe fails is his unnecessary tinkering. Like creative solutions for problems that don't exist, while he can't fix basic problems in a targeted way.
We also have to question what kind of motivational guy he is because this team has been so anxious for years.
That's another great point. Kyle Dubas has shown with comments like "we can and we will" and his temper tantrum in Tampa, that he loves the media spot light. He's been unprofessional since day 1, and has made if super easy for the Leafs to be the butt of jokes from 31 other fanbases.
Does Keefe really seem like a leader of men? Look at some of the great coaches thatve seen success. Brind'amour, Cooper, Gallant, Johnston, Berube, Sutter. Players should be ready to run through a wall for their coach, and also be somewhat scared shitless of him. Keefe brings neither to the table
A couple things...success during regular season..yes...playoffs...meh. Also it was a successful regular season team when he took over. Its not like he took over a bottom feeder.
Larcos_Unal
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Oh god I can't wait until the post-season press conference, this will be prime time entertainment
It was pretty clear early on with Dubas that his teams were not going to stick up for each other or partake in the extra stuff. Foligno being told by keefe not to engage when he wanted to stick up for a teammate said everything I needed to see.
Stephen
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The GM and core players all share that young guy entitlement where they think their own greatness is inevitable and they're so impatient to have it like it's a coronation. When things go wrong they have no answer and it creates a negative spiral. Other players and teams love to play the spoiler and stick it to these guys.
Is it really worth having a debate about a GM's job when this franchise has won 1 series in 7 years?
In any other profession/team, this wouldn't be a debate.
In any other profession/team, this wouldn't be a debate.
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Its very frustrating. Fully agree on Luke Schenn, I have always liked Schenn once you get past where he was drafted. Did he turn into what you would hope a 5th overall pick would be? No but he has had a very good career and is a very useful Dman.
Full disclosure, I never dreamed Schenn would have fit and played as well as he did with Reilly these playoffs when I have been wanting Schenn back for a few years, I was just viewing him as an excellent 3rd pairing option who hits like a truck and makes people pay the price to hang around the front of his net.
Its the Luke Schenn and Zach Bogosion of the NHL world that makes me hate everything about Justin Holl as a player. Those guys are what 3rd pairing Dman are if you are trying to win, if you are a Dman that doesn't create offense or transport the puck out of your zone, those are the "other" Dman I want on my team. I have 2 types of Dman that I would look for, transition the puck and help generate offense or be a nasty SOB to play against. Continue to draft and try to develop the rare unicorns that do both of these.
Dubas will get an offer to come back, and he'll turn it down and go take the keys to the castle somewhere else for a bigger contract and autonomy.
MLSE will offer him 2-3 years, Pittsburgh/other will offer 5+. MLSE played with fire not extending him earlier and is about to get burned IMO.
Just pray it doesn't cost the team AM34 in the process given how tight they are.
MLSE will offer him 2-3 years, Pittsburgh/other will offer 5+. MLSE played with fire not extending him earlier and is about to get burned IMO.
Just pray it doesn't cost the team AM34 in the process given how tight they are.
disgruntleddave
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I think dubas is a good gm with one huge flaw. Loyalty. Loyalty to his guys. Keefe, his big name players.
Lose the Loyalty. Grow some cojones. If he's on board to fire keefe and trade big names in a retool, do it. If not, buh bye and let's tear it all down and rebuild. Except we don't have our 1st picks, so might as well retool.
Lose the Loyalty. Grow some cojones. If he's on board to fire keefe and trade big names in a retool, do it. If not, buh bye and let's tear it all down and rebuild. Except we don't have our 1st picks, so might as well retool.
Exactly. That entitlement, from Dubas to Keefe to the players is why this team is so embarrassing to be a fan of. Even in the Burke era I could wear a Leafs jersey with pride knowing they worked hard even if they sucked. But now? This group is pathetic. All that talent wasted
Stephen
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Nope, he's kind of a goober.
Such a paradox. They rely on Justin Holl so much solely because of his body type. But they don't value that body type very much when drafting defensemen.
