True, the rumour is that Bell and rogers were approached by shanahan to get blessing for a dubas extension at some point during the year, and shanahan was shot down. Itll be up to bell and rogers (a vote likely) to determine dubas’s fate. And you’re right, anything bell and rogers do never makes sense so who knows what they will do.
Does dubas remain GM if the leafs get bounced by Florida?
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Those trades did come out of nowhere for me. I remember thinking like what happened all of a sudden for Dubas to change course/philosophy so quickly after all these years so it wouldnt surprise me if there was pressure from Shanny to acquire a certain type of player.
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Dubas is a very good GM.
Our supposed elite players need to score. 2 a game isn’t enough from the team. Players have to perform.
Look at Lou and the mess he created on the Island. Bruins have some cap issues and Tampa cupboards are bare.
We have some really talented players. I don’t like that we got slower but we have some kids that will push for playing time next yr.
Would be nice to keep ROR and Schenn but I think ROR goes to the highest bidder in Free Agency
Our supposed elite players need to score. 2 a game isn’t enough from the team. Players have to perform.
Look at Lou and the mess he created on the Island. Bruins have some cap issues and Tampa cupboards are bare.
We have some really talented players. I don’t like that we got slower but we have some kids that will push for playing time next yr.
Would be nice to keep ROR and Schenn but I think ROR goes to the highest bidder in Free Agency
Personally I think he should. He's given the core every chance to win. He brought the horse to the water. He lowered the horses head to the water. He gave the horse a swift kick in the ass to get it closer to the water. The horse is just deciding to die of thirst.
What exactly do they have to show from Dubas' drafts? I don't see anything more than Hunter's
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The OHL is a far different ballgame. The original point was that they lack experience and we bring up MarK Hunter. It's not even in the same stratosphere. But sure, I'm sure they would be perfect for the Leafs.
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I don't think we can look at the 2015-2017 draft classes that Hunter was involved with with the Leafs and feel particular confident about that ability to identify NHL talent. At best he was fine at worst disappointing.
Either way I think we could aim higher
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Conversely the Leafs had the Ballard years which showed the darker side of single ownership
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The series isn't even over and you have people in the hockey media leaking in speculation about Dubas/Keefe and their possible succession.
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"Panthers in 3!"
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Does anybody know any Shaman? I'd like Pens to offer Dubas a contract and MLSE to look elsewhere and it needs to happen ASAP
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The fact that Leafs are going with rookie goalie Joseph Woll in a must win game to save the year and not Kyle Dubas prized acquisition Matt Murray with Stanley Cup experience is already enough reason to move on from Dubas.
If you're investing nearly $5 mil cap in what you believed was Leafs #1 goalie, and you're not going to play him in the playoffs, despite using that past Cup experience to validate this trade then that already speaks volume to GM abilities and performance.
Even Dubas has written of Murray and he still has a year left on the boat anchor contract that must be dealt with.
Lets go Joey !!!
If you're investing nearly $5 mil cap in what you believed was Leafs #1 goalie, and you're not going to play him in the playoffs, despite using that past Cup experience to validate this trade then that already speaks volume to GM abilities and performance.
Even Dubas has written of Murray and he still has a year left on the boat anchor contract that must be dealt with.
Lets go Joey !!!
It wouldn't surprise me in the least.Funny. I am not one to talk but what I've heard from an agent is that Shanahan and Dubas have been telling Keefe who to play. As in they are influencing who should be playing and telling Keefe to do so.
Just saying what I've heard. This does not mean it is true. There are agendas out there so don't burn me at the stake.
That's what I've heard.
I'd be willing to bet Dubas tried to pull the same stunt with Babcock and he made some of his more "odd choices" just to let Kyle know he wasn't going to listening to him.
Keefe, on the other hand, owes his career to Dubas and seems to buy into his moneypuck philosophy.
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At some point you have to ask why he trusts the horse. Especially because he didn't pick the horse(s), he inherited them.
What other choice does he have? I don't think he has the ingenuity to go make a splash on another team with some effective coaching tactics.
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Honestly, just seeing so many more people become anti-dubas has been a breath of fresh air. I remember when he was hired and people were still optimistic about this group, saying anything negative made you public enemy number one. Even as recently as a few months ago.
I'm really proud of a lot of you.
I'm really proud of a lot of you.
I agree, but tbh, if I could respectfully say to those who have come around on realizing dubas shortcomings, what the hell took you people so long. for me personally, I knew the leafs were doomed with dubas at the helm when he said and did 3 things 1) we can and we will…like which NHL executive says we can and we will in a hard cap …way to lose leverage dubie 2) when he signed M&M to those ridiculous contracts…if they won’t give you the term you want, you don’t give them the money they want, gotta give to get and as a GM negotiating with ELC players, you have the leverage…3) skill skill skill, only a moron would take over a professional hockey team where you need heart, grit, determination, body contact and dubas thinks a bunch of 5 foot 170 pd players will skill their way to,the cup…idiot!
and another thing..Take those glasses off! A grown man wearing fake glasses to make themselves look smart is ridiculous
The raptors are proof you can win with the current ownership structure but I agree, to have to rival companies who despise each other run a hockey team isn’t necessarily a recipe for success.So to sum up:
- Owners who are competitors everywhere else in their business dealings and hold MLSE as part of their portfolio.
- a minority owner in Tannenbaum, who, well, you know….
- a President, a GM, and a coach with no experience going into their current roles.
- a core of gifted players who have gotten paid top dollar while delivering nothing, while seeing (soon to be) 2 coaches out the door, while escaping any accountability for their play.
Where this potential for disharmony would come from is utterly madness and unlikely.
We have all the makings of a highly efficient and cohesive unit, from the top down as our operating model so this must all be a bunch of pish-posh…..
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Who cares where RoR ends up, he is no longer a game changer as seen from the Blues fall from contenders. You guys need to stop over rating the idea of him. Those days are gone.
It's weird this place wrote off Tavares but worship a guy who is worse than Tavares and looks even slower at this point of his career. He reminds me of the Jason Allison shootout highlight on TSN where the guys like "and in comes jason allison....slow as bread".
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I think if Dubas is gone than Laurence Gilman is the logical successor. If they also fire Keefe would Gerard Gallant be a good choice?
What mess did Lou create in New York? They misses the playoffs and lost Tavares and he instantly made them a playoff team, they won playoff rounds. He didn't have 4 elite players already on the team when he took over, like Dubas did.
Remember... Tavares was picking Toronto even if Carlton the Bear was GM, Oreilly requested to he traded to Toronto (much like Kane apparently only had NYR and Toronto on his list) and Brodie wanted to go to Toronto. They didn't pick Dubas, they wanted to go close to home.
Take away these signing and the Leafs core of Marner, Mstthews and Nylander and what has Dubas done that's so impressive?
He stupidly traded Kadri and lost Hyman for nothing as a UFA... Signed Campbell who really wasn't ever a great goalie.
The only job he really had, was to sign a good coach and he royally messed that up.
He mainly targets SOO players which is more of an indication of his lack of confidence in the management team around him rather than a sign of masterful manager.
He hired a rookie coach that he can manipulate, and mainly trades and signs players from SOO...seems like a micro manager who doesn't trust anyone but himself.
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What are you talking about, Alex Anthopolous made amazing moves down the stretch to win his World Series. He parlayed prospects and picks into players that could help him win now. AA was a really good GM and has always been a great negotiator. Sucks that we lost him.
No no no, the Carolina AGM is who you have to try and get tbh
