I got a feeling Spezza takes over and Dubie sticks around to help out on analytics .. just my guess .. they know what Matty wants now so they have likely told him we will make a decision after playoffs if we sign him or trade him .. probably told Matty if they win a Cup he will be signed .. if not then part of overall org decisions .. it will be a difficult call but 1 of Matty or Mitch will have to go so team can be built for playoff hockey
Does dubas remain GM if the leafs get bounced by Florida?
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Dude are you a Kyle Dubas fan or a Leafs fan?
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I think the stage has been set perfectly for Kyle Dubas.
Dubas career was said to hang in the balance prior to the season as a lame duck GM on expiring contract and so he hitched his Leafs career to the man of glass Matt Murray.
Everything has fallen into place, so that he can now unwrap his prized off-season acquisition Matt Murray and let his prized pony with past Stanley Cup experience run and show all of Leaf Nation the brilliance of his GM work and silence all those doubters.
Put up or shut up, pretty simple situation here. . 4 straight wins and he gets his extension, and a loss in the next 4 games, and you escort him out of the building before he can throw any more water bottles or other things in disgust. “Put your money where your mouth is.” or in this case where your career lies.
Dubas career was said to hang in the balance prior to the season as a lame duck GM on expiring contract and so he hitched his Leafs career to the man of glass Matt Murray.
Everything has fallen into place, so that he can now unwrap his prized off-season acquisition Matt Murray and let his prized pony with past Stanley Cup experience run and show all of Leaf Nation the brilliance of his GM work and silence all those doubters.
Put up or shut up, pretty simple situation here. . 4 straight wins and he gets his extension, and a loss in the next 4 games, and you escort him out of the building before he can throw any more water bottles or other things in disgust. “Put your money where your mouth is.” or in this case where your career lies.
I think NHL executives have a bit longer leash than we might imagine.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but since Joe Sakic took over the Avalanche before the 2013-14 season, they've missed the playoffs three times, lost in the first round three times, lost in the second round three times, and won the Stanley Cup once.
That's no second-round victories in the first eight years, a Stanley Cup in the ninth year, and a first-round loss in the tenth year.
Sakic is a pretty successful, well-regarded executive and I don't know if he's ever been under the same type of fan scrutiny and pressure afforded to the current Leafs management, who being down 3-0 to Florida are at a very low point right now.
It beats me what the future holds for Shanahan, Dubas and Keefe, but nothing would surprise me.
I don't think it's self-evident that they all have to go.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but since Joe Sakic took over the Avalanche before the 2013-14 season, they've missed the playoffs three times, lost in the first round three times, lost in the second round three times, and won the Stanley Cup once.
That's no second-round victories in the first eight years, a Stanley Cup in the ninth year, and a first-round loss in the tenth year.
Sakic is a pretty successful, well-regarded executive and I don't know if he's ever been under the same type of fan scrutiny and pressure afforded to the current Leafs management, who being down 3-0 to Florida are at a very low point right now.
It beats me what the future holds for Shanahan, Dubas and Keefe, but nothing would surprise me.
I don't think it's self-evident that they all have to go.
I don't think very many people are expecting four-straight wins at this point -- and especially not Shanahan, Dubas and/or Keefe.
It sounds pretty smarmy to say that "the stage had been set perfectly" and "everything has fallen into place" when, in fact, the opposite is true. I would rather think that the Leafs management team is holding on by a thread.
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False, insiders have said that, but our fans say he is useless and won't get another job, I will side with our fans as they are more knowledgable than people with direct knowledge inside the league.
As much as shanahan should be fired yesterday, he still has term on his contract, i don’t see him getting fired For that reason. Shanahan has been the president for 9 yrs and mustered 1 playoff round win against a fading roster of Tampa with Hedman and cernak both injured and still got outplayed. Brian burke lasted 4.5 yrs as leaf’s president and was given a fraction of the talent shanahan has had. Shanahan LinkedIn page should read “con artist - how to get paid millions per year while doing nothing”
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He wouldn’t be able to recognize that in a core. No way.
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If the Leafs get swept in 4 games by the 8th ranked wildcard team in the East Florida Panthers.
Can you image MLSE with Shanny holding a press conference claiming he likes the direction the team is going and hands out contract extensions to Dubas and Keefe, coming off the back of what might be the biggest organizational embarrassing result of the past decade?
That would really be Must See TV right there.
A proper ownership group would have already contacted interested parties long before this playoffs started.
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The only common thread that essentially exists between Shanahan and Keefe is Dubas (through respective hirings). Keefe is an easier - and possibly more acceptable - target to be unhappy with if one believes the players aren't being utilized in the best manner. Rielly seems to be the least of team worries at this point considering his production.
I'm personally as happy with this team as I've been over the past few seasons due to finally winning a playoff round again. I obviously dislike that the bar has been placed rather low for that, but...
I hate to say it, but we find ourselves on the verge of making our first round win utterly irrelevant. Which after 19 years is such a f***ing gut punch to the fanbase.
I said it last year about Florida, and to a lesser extent Edmonton, and I will say it now about us as well. Winning your previous series means absolutely nothing if you completely squander it and do nothing in the next round.
While technically there is the chance we come back somwhart in this series and save some embarrassment, the odds of us winning are very remote (less than 2% I believe statistically). Especially now missing our best goaltender
If they get swept and bow out without a real fight, as it seems they will, they deserve all the changes that come.
I said it last year about Florida, and to a lesser extent Edmonton, and I will say it now about us as well. Winning your previous series means absolutely nothing if you completely squander it and do nothing in the next round.
While technically there is the chance we come back somwhart in this series and save some embarrassment, the odds of us winning are very remote (less than 2% I believe statistically). Especially now missing our best goaltender
If they get swept and bow out without a real fight, as it seems they will, they deserve all the changes that come.
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Understand one thing.. we can be upset at Dubas, or Keefe, or the players... I'm a fan of the Leafs, and the names don't mean much to me... just win, which it appears as though we won't. I think Dubas did everything he could, to bring in a supporting cast here, to win with. We can argue that he could have traded the core earlier, but that's not what I'm posting about.
If we make changes, this team will go through a period of being much less competitive than it currently is. It will take years to get back to the level we currently are at.... You don't trade away elite talent level players, and get back quality to compete with... and I fully appreciate these guys haven't been elite when needed most.
It will also be interesting once the season is over, what the problem with Matthews is. He clearly no longer has his dangerous shot. Without it... he's just a pretty good player... not elite, not an $11 mil player for certain. Does he need surgery AGAIN? The frequency of his issues has to be concerning. If he doesn't need surgery, and he's just lost his ability... well then, I guess we are done here...
If we make changes, this team will go through a period of being much less competitive than it currently is. It will take years to get back to the level we currently are at.... You don't trade away elite talent level players, and get back quality to compete with... and I fully appreciate these guys haven't been elite when needed most.
It will also be interesting once the season is over, what the problem with Matthews is. He clearly no longer has his dangerous shot. Without it... he's just a pretty good player... not elite, not an $11 mil player for certain. Does he need surgery AGAIN? The frequency of his issues has to be concerning. If he doesn't need surgery, and he's just lost his ability... well then, I guess we are done here...
To everyone who wants him gone:
Let me hear your voice, who do you want as the next GM? I love how everyone shouting that he needs to be gone, yet no one comes up with any alternatives.
Do it, please. I really wanna know who would be our saviour, please.
Let me hear your voice, who do you want as the next GM? I love how everyone shouting that he needs to be gone, yet no one comes up with any alternatives.
Do it, please. I really wanna know who would be our saviour, please.
Should have fired him when he traded a 1st for Foligno. How did this guy get this job anyways?
Its a desperation trade for not bringing in tougher depth in the summer. Kyle prefers to pay top dollar the deadline vs decent prices during the summer.
I very much agree with this. I’m not sure what more Dubas could have done, but I will say if we think there is a core problem that needs to be tweaked, or a coaching issue, those still ultimately reflect on Dubas’ decisions. I leave it to the powers that be to determine if that means a change in management is required or not. I can see merits to both making a move or staying the course. I’m definitely not thinking we need to make huge changes to the core, but I don’t think there’s any way we can just roll it back at this point either
