Does dubas remain GM if the leafs get bounced by Florida?

[mikeyz]

Probably, but he's an asshole and would not want a winning at all costs coach. I want to win badly but not at the expense of the players mental health or like what went down with Quennville in Chicago.

You did not seriously just compare Babcock’s tenure here to Quennville‘s in Chicago when it comes to bullying players did you?

 

[justashadowof]

How Shanahan escapes blame is beyond me. He allowed himself to get seduced by the shiny new thing in a young hockey executive determined to re-invent the wheel. We're now at the point where the executive is middle aged and manages the team like everyone else in the league. We are forced to pretend that a grown man having a public tantrum is masculine leadership. While this hockey executive was learning on the job the wonderful assets he inherited don't seem to have grown past adolescence. Our great young hockey talent is now in their prime and their prime consists of expecting their mere presence in big games to be enough.

 

[The Masters]

Add it all together and you can understand why we’re now bracing for a summer that carries seismic implications for the organization.

This isn’t tennis or golf.

No team can possibly expect to go on an extended run through the Stanley Cup Playoffs without multiple gamebreakers delivering big moments. Colorado had Cale Makar, Nathan MacKinnon, Gabriel Landeskog, Mikko Rantanen, Valeri Nichushkin and Nazem Kadri last spring. Tampa won its recent Cups on the backs of Nikita Kucherov, Brayden Point, Steven Stamkos, Victor Hedman and an all-world performance by Andrei Vasilevskiy.

Pittsburgh wouldn’t have all of those banners without Sidney Crosby, Evgeni Malkin, Jake Guentzel and Kris Letang meeting the moment. Chicago had Patrick Kane, Jonathan Toews, Marian Hossa, Duncan Keith and a host of others.

The Leafs were built with that blueprint in mind and it hasn’t produced anything close to the intended results. We don’t yet know if Dubas will be retained beyond the expiration of his contract on June 30, but there’s no possible justification for moving ahead with four forwards who account for nearly 50% of the available space in a hard salary cap league and have this firmly-established track record of collective underperformance when the chips are down.

The big decisions are already looming with Matthews and Nylander both eligible to sign extensions as of July 1 and sitting only one year from possible unrestricted free agency. Marner has two more years left on his deal, but a no-movement clause that kicks in that same day.

And what becomes of head coach Sheldon Keefe, who has a sterling regular-season record with this group but is now in the midst of his fourth playoffs where expectations haven’t been met?

It’s awfully telling that these conversations will be in full roar among the NHL’s loudest fanbase long before the puck drops on Game 4 on Wednesday night.

While the players spend the next 48 hours trying to stick to their process and take it one game at a time, any remaining flicker of belief in Leafs Nation has already been extinguished.

 

[Suntouchable13]

Would Treliving be a good hire? I think he did ok with Calgary considering the hand he was dealt.

 

[Kanedogg]

How Shanahan escapes blame is beyond me. He allowed himself to get seduced by the shiny new thing in a young hockey executive determined to re-invent the wheel. We're now at the point where the executive is middle aged and manages the team like everyone else in the league. We are forced to pretend that a grown man having a public tantrum is masculine leadership. While this hockey executive was learning on the job the wonderful assets he inherited don't seem to have grown past adolescence. Our great young hockey talent is now in their prime and their prime consists of expecting their mere presence in big games to be enough.

Yup the thing is if you want to go all in analytics you hire a guy like Jiri tulsky Harvard scientist.

He hired a nepotism guy like dubas who's grandfather was gm of the greyhounds. Then dubas wears those ridiculous glasses to "look" smart.

Guy is a graduate from Brock university with the massive head start he was gifted in life. This is your "wunderkind"?

 

[SprDaVE]

I hope Dubas goes to Pittsburgh and wins 3 cups if the Leafs are dumb enough to let him go.

Whatever happens, I hope everyone gets a GM they really want. Not sure who that person is. Maybe Marky Mark Hunter can try his shot?

 

[ToneDog]

I hope Dubas goes to Pittsburgh and wins 3 cups if the Leafs are dumb enough to let him go.

Whatever happens, I hope everyone gets a GM they really want. Not sure who that person is. Maybe Marky Mark Hunter can try his shot?

Bet he won't last 3 years let alone win 3 Cups. But hey, keep hoping. Leafs fans hoped for 5 years and nothing.

And when he leaves, you should follow him to the airport in quest of those 3 cups. LOL

 

[Malachi Crunch]

I like what Dubas has done in the last year or two, but I can't see him able to make the tough moves that are definitely required at this point in time (firing Keefe, changing the core). I'd rather have a GM with no attachments take over. We need a culture change.

....and, come on, tons of GMs are doing a great job right now. We can find another good GM easily. People shouldn't be so afraid of change. Change is 100%, absolutely needed right now.

 

[WillyC]

We’re not bounced yet… the pessimists and Panthers can go pound sand.

The comeback starts Wednesday.

Go Leafs

 

[myleafs]

Again that's why Dubas made the deadline moves that he did in bringing in more experience, leadership and toughness because he believed that that's what this core needed to boost them and get them to perform better. Now he knows that this isn't enough and that a major change or two is probably needed to really try and fix things.

This core is young so I don't you wouldn't have given them at least one more chance before deciding to blow things up. Now that they've been given that chance and if they fail then making major changes should definitely be an option if not absolutely necessary.

Big fat NO not all of thenm together....Ive seen enough

Dubas did a good job it was the coach who kept being the second best coach in the series is what sank toronto. A legitimate coach probably would have defeated florida in 5 to 6 games

And who didnt look at any other coaches like at all and signed their buddy and rookie?

 

[myleafs]

It was a bad plan. It was also his first year in the NHL as GM too. I think that should be taken into consideration.

Since then he signs players well, attracts talented players, drafts well, trades well. Admits and moves on from bad signings.

Since the first year, he's done well.

Agree that the coach needs a new home.

As much as Im not the biggest Keefe fan the top 4 have done squat considering the half cap is spent on them. Thats on them.....and the guy who quadroupled down on them

If you don't think so that's fine. I think he's a talented GM amd will win a cup one day.

I think he's learned from his first year. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

I like the approach the organization takes in terms of development, trades, signings, drafting, use of analytics, etc.

I will take that bet that he wont.....and I liked Dubas. He seems like a nice guy and someone I would want to work for but I dont think he has a grasp on what it takes.

 

[hamzarocks]

Defence: Muzzin Brodie McCabe Liljegren Giordano Sandin Niemela oh and Schenn. Also signed Rielly to great deal.

Goalie: Franchise goalie Samsonov Woll and a bunch of good goalie prospects.

What a homer take

Franchise goalie lool

Sandin/lilijgren/niemela

1 guys out the org, another is a healthy scratch in the playoffs and nimelea isnt here yet

The defense h

I hope Dubas goes to Pittsburgh and wins 3 cups if the Leafs are dumb enough to let him go.

Whatever happens, I hope everyone gets a GM they really want. Not sure who that person is. Maybe Marky Mark Hunter can try his shot?

Dubas will be hard pressed to find a team that was as young and promising as the 2018 leafs

Going to the pens will be him killing his own career, the teams cooked outisde of their 3 guys

Theyll be outsude bottom 5 bad but fringe playoffs at best.

If he wants to leave and win a cup he should look at a younger up and coming team

 

[notbias]

The longest tenured person on the staff is Shannahan, shortest is Keefe.

The longest tenured core player is Rielly, shortest is Tavares.

The shortest tenured seem to be getting the most blame and the longest the least, odd.

 

[myleafs]

I am by no means saying Babs is perfect. But he is a better coach than Keefe.

He didn’t play C at PK bc he didn’t have defensive C, AM, Kadri, Bozak then JT, none of them PK. When he had Boyle and Turtleneck, think both of them played PK.
He played Marleau and Leo way more than he should.
As for Hyman and Jake, don’t think he had options back then.
This current Leafs team is the deepest and most talented Leafs team in the Shanny era.
They got depth in all positions. Something Babs didn’t have. And like Stephen said, Dubas delivered Barrie to him when he needed a shut down Dman.

Its getting pretty dire in leafland when we start reminiscing about the good old days of Babcock.

 

[myleafs]

I hope Dubas goes to Pittsburgh and wins 3 cups if the Leafs are dumb enough to let him go.

Whatever happens, I hope everyone gets a GM they really want. Not sure who that person is. Maybe Marky Mark Hunter can try his shot?

Did I miss something....is this psilocybin mushroom day?

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...bin_mushroom&usg=AOvVaw2hzG6yC6cQ6-oJSkXGOqgs​

 

[All Mod Cons]

I hope Dubas goes to Pittsburgh and wins 3 cups if the Leafs are dumb enough to let him go.

Whatever happens, I hope everyone gets a GM they really want. Not sure who that person is. Maybe Marky Mark Hunter can try his shot?

I hope he goes to the Sens. I loathe the Sens. I'd piss myself with giddiness if they ended up with him. They look to be building something good there, and my only hope is they hire Kyle before it's too late.

 

[Trapper]

I hope he goes to the Sens. I loathe the Sens. I'd piss myself with giddiness if they ended up with him. They look to be building something good there, and my only hope is they hire Kyle before it's too late.

He can trade us Brady Tkachuk first thing when he gets there.

 

[stats1]

Not sure how you can have Dubas back and expect changes….Kyle has double downed and triple downed on this group. He doesn’t have the balls to make massive moves because it would be an admittance of failure. You fire him bring in whoever and let them have a clean slate with zero relationships/ emotionally attached to any players.

 

[hamzarocks]

The longest tenured person on the staff is Shannahan, shortest is Keefe.

The longest tenured core player is Rielly, shortest is Tavares.

The shortest tenured seem to be getting the most blame and the longest the least, odd.

Tavares since joining the leafs has been a huge disapointment

Shanny vs Keefe both are responsible and both can be moved on from if thats the direction MLSE goes with

JT is getting shit on b/c of his play + Pay

6 pts in 9 games this year at 11M playing top PP

Rielly makes 7.5M and has 11 in 9 while playing solid defensively.

Rielly is simply a considerably better playoff performer than JT.

Tavares is a choker and deserves every bit of the hate he is getting

He needs nylander or marner to drive the line so he can produce, he escapes criticism despite being the Captain, 2nd highest AAV on tbe team.

He gets treated with kiddy gloves compared to 16 and 88 b/c people have accepted he is washed and a PP specialist at this point

 

[stats1]

If Dubas is let go I would get a guy with previous experience, maybe the new guy wouldn’t get bent over in contract negotiations that would strap down the franchise with 50% of our cap going to 4 guys

 

[57 Years No Cup]

He's evolving as a GM, so you don't want to fire him in 2023 for what he decided in 2021...

But that Big 4 needs to be torn apart. They've had all the chances and we can't do this anymore. I said I didn't believe in a mandate summer but we need some direction.

John Tavares needs to go. But he can't be moved with all the contractual protections so I think you just have to live with it.

Marner needs to go. He's never going to be a winner. For all the good he does, he's not a serious player in big moments. I've never heard of nervous playoff players before Marner. The guy has literal stage fright on nights like this. I don't want to wait around till he's 32. I don't care if he has success somewhere else.

Matthews probably isn't that elite drive train player he was advertised as way back when. I watch the effort level and buy in and every game is something different. Sometimes he's a power forward. Sometimes he's defensively dominant. Sometimes he doesn't feel like scoring. Sometimes he's just saving it for the playoffs. Oh, looks like he didn't have anything left for the playoffs.

Nylander's unreliable but will try to raise his game after he's screwed up. He's always going to be good and bad and playing guilty. But he's not a franchise centerpiece like the other 3.

Yes I do.

 

[notbias]

If Dubas is let go I would get a guy with previous experience, maybe the new guy wouldn’t get bent over in contract negotiations that would strap down the franchise with 50% of our cap going to 4 guys

Hire Lou, he's doing well. Or Treliving, Calgary is thriving.

 

[All Mod Cons]

He can trade us Brady Tkachuk first thing when he gets there.

Brady Tkachuk for Gus, pick of the OG Kerf or Jarnkrok, and any other vanilla player or old fringe guy with toughness.

Then the Sens can sign Kane or Monahan to a crippling contract to really kick start Kyle's vision.

 

[sxvnert]

But that Big 4 needs to be torn apart.

Kyle rep is tied to the gross overpayment of this core. If he stays then so do the rest (including Keefe). The entire group from Shanny down need to be shitcanned asap.

 

[All Mod Cons]

Kyle specifically bet his career on the core, and wasted no opportunity to remind the fans every time a mic was placed in front of him.

It would be an insult to Kyle for the organization not to honour the bet he made and call the result in.