Salary Cap: Do you trust Kyle Dubas with salary negotiations?

[LeafingTheWay]

I was thinking more of the building a broke junior team from nothing into a powerhouse, both competitively and financially - type of success.

You sound like a Rangers fan though !

You do realize Dubas did that with the Soo too right . He did that with Soo for 3 years before going to the NHL. He turned them from bottom-feeders with no future to a powerhouse team with a strong player develoment system. That's what he also did with the Leafs in his first 3 years as well, as he was heavily involved in player development in the AHL. Look at our player development system now.

 

[Bomber0104]

Yzerman was highly coveted leaving Detroit? There is no reports right now because he walked away from the game...

And it was reported that Mark Hunter was perfectly happy going back to owner/manager of the Knights.

If someone isn't looking or available for a position , why would they interview?

 

[The Podium]

Nylander makes 45 million.
William Nylander - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

That 11th-hour communication resulted in a six-year, $41.4 million contract extension for Nylander, putting an end to a stalemate that has dragged on through the first 26 games of the regular season.

https://www.tsn.ca/nylander-signs-in-last-second-negotiation-with-leafs-1.1219272

 

[LeafFever]

And it was reported that Mark Hunter was perfectly happy going back to owner/manager of the Knights.

If someone isn't looking or available for a position , why would they interview?

That's not accurate gieven Hunter's quotes. He wants to be a GM.

 

[Bomber0104]

You do realize Dubas did that with the Soo too right . He did that with Soo for 3 years before going to the NHL. He turned them from bottom-feeders with no future to a powerhouse team with a strong player develoment system. That's what he also did with the Leafs in his first 3 years as well, as he was heavily involved in player development in the AHL. Look at our player development system now.

Now you're comparing the Greyhounds to the Knights...

Please.

 

[diceman934]

He got 6.9 million. He will be paid 41.4 million over 6 years and has a cap hit of 6.9.

At least give an argument as to why youre staying firm on 7.5. Is actual dollars and cap hit not good enough for you?

What?

Look at his contract.
William Nylander - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

His contract pays him slightly over 45m over 6 years.

 

[The Podium]

Now you're comparing the Greyhounds to the Knights...

Please.

Ya similar to comparing the A's to the Yankees. I can GM the Yankees to a championship with that money.

 

[Bomber0104]

That's not accurate gieven Hunter's quotes. He wants to be a GM.

With the Leafs.

 

[LeafFever]

With the Leafs.

No I have heard him say he wants to be an NHL GM.
It's documented teams asked to speak to Dubas. No one asked the Leafs to speak with Hunter.

 

[Bomber0104]

Ya similar to comparing the A's to the Yankees. I can GM the Yankees to a championship with that money.

They were bankrupt before the Hunters bought it.

They made it the premier team in the OHL.

Why does this even need to be explained?

 

[ITM]

Yzerman was highly coveted leaving Detroit? There is no reports right now because he walked away from the game...

He was in fact. And leaving Tampa to be home (i.e. the Detroit area) might not be as incidental as his initial exit explanation implies. I could easily see Holland taking on a more advisory role to allow Yzerman the GM's portfolio after his two year extension has expired. Certainly it's up to Chris Illitch, but, stranger things...

 

[The Podium]

What?

Look at his contract.
William Nylander - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

His contract pays him slightly over 45m over 6 years.

Nylander forfeited 3.6 million in salary by sitting out, cap friendly doesnt account for that. In real numbers he is being paid 41.4 million over 6 years or the equivalent of 6.9 million per.

That 11th-hour communication resulted in a six-year, $41.4 million contract extension for Nylander, putting an end to a stalemate that has dragged on through the first 26 games of the regular season.

https://www.tsn.ca/nylander-signs-in-last-second-negotiation-with-leafs-1.1219272

 

[Dreakmur]

No he is not, he will be paid 41.4 million over 6 years, he lost 3.6 sitting out

He lost 8 percent of his money because he didn’t report to work for 8 percent of his contract. He’s still getting paid at the rate of 7.5 per season.

 

[The Podium]

They were bankrupt before the Hunters bought it.

They made it the premier team in the OHL.

Why does this even need to be explained?

Yes, Hunters did a fantastic job turning the franchise around, but at the point where Dubas and Hunters OHL careers overlap, Hunter was working with significantly more resources.

 

[LeafsNation75]

And it was reported that Mark Hunter was perfectly happy going back to owner/manager of the Knights.

If someone isn't looking or available for a position, why would they interview?

When Hunter quit his job in Toronto the Leafs haters on here were convinced he would go the Islanders and work with Lamoriello so he could "Stick it to the Leafs for not naming him the GM." However not once did Hunter's name ever get mentioned as being a candidate to be a GM in Minnesota and Carolina when they were also looking for new GM's, at the same time before Dubas was named the Leafs GM. Hell I even remember on July 15, 2018 when Hunter was allowed to talk with other teams a certain someone started a Mark Hunter watch thread on the National Hockey League Talk section and in the end he went back to the London Knights.

 

[The Podium]

He lost 8 percent of his money because he didn’t report to work for 8 percent of his contract. He’s still getting paid at the rate of 7.5 per season.

Yes, as i said it is a fictional number to accommodate the time missed. But in real dollars and cap it is 6.9 so 7.5 is really insignificant.

 

[diceman934]

No he is not, he will be paid 41.4 million over 6 years, he lost 3.6 sitting out

As

That’s what his salary is. It’s nice that his cap hit is less, but he is getting paid at 7.5.

if you decide not to go to work for 3 months should you get paid?

He got 7.5m per minus the 3 months of pay for not reporting to work.

 

[The Podium]

As

if you decide not to go to work for 3 months should you get paid?

He got 7.5m per minus the 3 months of pay for not reporting to work.

Ok...if you get paid 6.9 million do you get paid 7.5 million?

 

[Bomber0104]

Yes, Hunters did a fantastic job turning the franchise around, but at the point where Dubas and Hunters OHL careers overlap, Hunter was working with significantly more resources.

Granted.

And this wasn't and isn't the focus of the thread - Mark Hunter.

The focus is on the present and future and that's Dubas and the upcoming negotiations of Matthews, Marner, and heck even Kapanen.

 

[LeafingTheWay]

Now you're comparing the Greyhounds to the Knights...

Please.

Comparing the GM aspects and revamping process of the first 3 years of when they took over the franchises.

 

[diceman934]

Ok...if you get paid 6.9 million do you get paid 7.5 million?

Nylander did!

 

[The Podium]

Nylander did!

So youre clinging to a fictional number that has no impact what so ever on the amount Nylander is paid or the cap hit against the team.

 

[Dreakmur]

Nylander forfeited 3.6 million in salary by sitting out, cap friendly doesnt account for that. In real numbers he is being paid 41.4 million over 6 years or the equivalent of 6.9 million per.

What’s to account for? He signed a contract for 45 million. He didn’t work part of it, so he doesn’t get paid for it.

 

[The Podium]

What’s to account for? He signed a contract for 45 million. He didn’t work part of it, so he doesn’t get paid for it.

I get it, but if thats not the amount that he is being paid, nor is it his cap hit, why would that number matter?

 

[TheTotalPackage]

Oddly enough, I do still have some confidence. I think (hope) he learned a lesson with the Nylander negotiations and won’t screw around with our two best players by letting them sit right ‘til the very end and still not come up with a favourable outcome.