Salary Cap: Do you trust Kyle Dubas with salary negotiations?

[WickedPegJets]

That narrative has never been correct. Burke changed 100% of Murray's defense. Remember Pronger, Neidermeyer, Beauchemin? He didn't just inherit everyone and do little.

OK, bring back Brian Burke to tweak this Leafs defence and win the first Stanley Cup since 1967.

 

[Bomber0104]

Mark hunter's NHL drafts outside grundstrom have been dog sh*t

Mitch Marner - one of the very focal points of this entire thread?

 

[LeafingTheWay]

At the end of the day, Dubas is an unexperienced kid who doesn't want to mess up the Golden Goose of players that he has inherited. That inexperience and concern led him to overpay for Nylander. It will result in him overpaying for Matthews.

Exactly. I'm pretty sure Dubas just graduated highschool too. What was he thinking giving a 21 year old star (one of the guys we called a 'big 3' Leafs player) a long term contract at a fair price? His inexperience will likely result in the Leafs overpaying a 6th D to a 4.5 mill 7 year contract (Zaitsev) . Oh wait, that was the super experienced Lou Lameriello. Maybe it will result in the Leafs overpaying a washed up MTL D (Komiserak) a big contract. Oh wait, that was super experienced Brian Burke.

 

[justafan22]

Mitch Marner - on of the focal points of this entire thread?

getting a top 5 pick correct honestly isn't worth accolades.

 

[Bomber0104]

getting a top 5 pick correct honestly isn't worth accolades.

How about drafting him to the Knights in the OHL as well?

The Hunter relationship with Marner would have been one I'd have been keen on retaining if I was Shanahan...

 

[justafan22]

How about drafting him to the Knights in the OHL as well?

Hunter's own the OHL with money.

Not impressive.

Guy is overrated

 

[Bomber0104]

Hunter's own the OHL with money.

Not impressive.

Guy is overrated

His success vastly triumphs Dubas' both playing and managing.

AHL trophy notwithstanding.

And that's not up for debate.

 

[ORRFForever]

Exactly. I'm pretty sure Dubas just graduated highschool too. What was he thinking giving a 21 year old star (one of the guys we called a 'big 3' Leafs player) a long term contract at a fair price? His inexperience will likely result in the Leafs overpaying a 6th D to a 4.5 mill 7 year contract (Zaitsev) . Oh wait, that was the super experienced Lou Lameriello. Maybe it will result in the Leafs overpaying a washed up MTL D (Komiserak) a big contract. Oh wait, that was super experienced Brian Burke.

That's fair and I agree, a lot of GM's overpay. I just think Nylander had the upper hand because Dubas wasn't capable of walking away at this point of his career.

 

[Menzinger]

Mitch Marner - one of the very focal points of this entire thread?

Half of Hfboards would have made that same choice.

He was a consensus too 5 pick taken in the top 5 of a draft.....

Edit: phone autocorrect typo

 

[LeafingTheWay]

That's fair and I agree, a lot of GM's overpay. I just think Nylander had the upper hand because Dubas wasn't capable of walking away at this point of his career.

Okay enough with my sarcasm.

But why do you think Nylander got the upper hand on Dubas in this deal? I don't understand where this statement is coming from? Did I miss a news conference or something where they admitted what each side was offering and who gave in?

 

[LeafFever]

Nylander wants 8.5 million, settles on 6.9 and he destroyed Dubas? The Athletic and others broke down that NYlander was a 6.7-7.2 million per player.
I saw people crapping on the Leafs on here once Kypreos claimed their top offer was 6.3.

 

[Bomber0104]

A less-talked about situation that's arisen as well but probably worth pointing out is that Kasperi Kapanen is tracking for a 50+ point season in his first full year in the NHL. Currently producing and is leaned on by the coach far more than William Nylander.

 

[LeafFever]

His success vastly triumphs Dubas' both playing and managing.

AHL trophy notwithstanding.

And that's not up for debate.

He's 25 years older and NHL teams were not wanting him they wanted Dubas.

 

[LeafFever]

A less-talked about situation that's arisen as well but probably worth pointing out is that Kasperi Kapanen is tracking for a 50+ point season in his first full year in the NHL. Currently producing and is leaned on by the coach far more than William Nylander.

Our genius coach would still have him on the 4th line if Nylander signed in the summer.

 

[ORRFForever]

Okay enough with my sarcasm.

But why do you think Nylander got the upper hand on Dubas in this deal? I don't understand where this statement is coming from? Did I miss a news conference or something where they admitted what each side was offering and who gave in?

I just think an inexperienced GM, especially a kid, will fold to ensure he does not kill the Golden Goose of players he inherited. It's not his money and it's too easy to say, "I'd rather overpay than lose Nylander".

Of course, I don't know for sure. I just know how I thought when I was Dubas' age and I know I would have given in.

Then again, perhaps Nylander will start producing and it will end up being a good deal for the Leafs.

 

[hfman]

who knows with the way this team is playing, dubas might not have a job come the offseason.

lol you guys are hysterical... like, totally, utterly hysterical

 

[LeafFever]

I just think an inexperienced GM, especially a kid, will fold to ensure he does not kill the Golden Goose of players he inherited. It's not his money and it's too easy to say, "I'd rather overpay than lose Nylander".

Of course, I don't know for sure. I just know how I thought when I was Dubas' age and I know I would have given in.

Then again, perhaps Nylander will start producing and it will end up being a good deal for the Leafs.

So what would you have signed Nylander for?

 

[diceman934]

No. Nylander wanted 8-8.5 per.

So what does what he wanted have to do with his horrible contract 7.5m per is the real amount. A vast over payment for too short of a deal. Dubas got bent over and then said thanks we will not trade you as long as I am the GM.

 

[LeafFever]

So what does what he wanted have to do with his horrible contract 7.5m per is the real amount. A vast over payment for too short of a deal. Dubas got bent over and then said thanks we will not trade you as long as I am the GM.

6.9 million cap hit. That's what I expected him to get.

 

[Dreakmur]

Nylander wants 8.5 million, settles on 6.9 and he destroyed Dubas? The Athletic and others broke down that NYlander was a 6.7-7.2 million per player.
I saw people crapping on the Leafs on here once Kypreos claimed their top offer was 6.3.

Was that the article where they used Tarasenko as a comparable after he score 37 goals in a season?

 

[LeafFever]

Was that the article where they used Tarasenko as a comparable after he score 37 goals in a season?

I thought they used Pastynak and Draisaitl, not sure.

 

[Mr Hockey]

Our genius coach would still have him on the 4th line if Nylander signed in the summer.

easy on the hot takes,

 

[Trapper]

A less-talked about situation that's arisen as well but probably worth pointing out is that Kasperi Kapanen is tracking for a 50+ point season in his first full year in the NHL. Currently producing and is leaned on by the coach far more than William Nylander.

Yes Kappy is a keeper.
Sometimes a one of skill player is not as important to team synergy as 2 players with a different skill set/multifunctional + a solid D when it comes down to cap/team/dynamic.

 

[WickedPegJets]

I thought they used Pastynak and Draisaitl, not sure.

It is insane that fellow Swede right winger Pastrnak is earning less money per season than Willy Nylander.

 

[LeafFever]

It is insane that fellow Swede right winger Pastrnak is earning less money per season than Willy Nylander.

That frontloaded contract makes him more valuable in a trade. I'll take it.