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Do you trust Kyle Dubas with salary negotiations?

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Buds17

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Matthews and Marner are obviously going to be even tougher negotiations than Nylander since they have more leverage due to being better to this point. There's also extra incentive to not let either negotiation go into the season this time around.

Ideally, I would have preferred Nylander's AAV to be slightly less. However, what was the alternative? Not signing him at all likely would have resulted in an eventual trade IMO because of the aforementioned - and other - RFA's that soon have to be re-signed. Otherwise, it's tough to know how close any trade was, if it all, not to mention the team and return involved if there was a possibility of it happening.
 
DavePoulin4PM

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I don’t have faith in Dubas, in any aspect of being a GM. Tavares wanted to come to Toronto. Anyone could’ve brought him in. He has had a poor draft, did nothing in FA period besides Tavares, got rid of the perfect backup goalie for trash, got bent over in Nylander deal, looks like a clown in the media.

This team needs a lot of work to get over the top IE: deadline deals. He will probably get worked over in trades next. The best thing that could happen to the organization is broom Shanny and Dubas and hand the keys to Stevie Y. This is year 5 for Shanny. 5 years without a playoff win really should be enough to get him fired.
 
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DavePoulin4PM said:
I don’t have faith in Dubas, in any aspect of being a GM. Tavares wanted to come to Toronto. Anyone could’ve brought him in. He has had a poor draft, did nothing in FA period besides Tavares, got rid of the perfect backup goalie for trash, got bent over in Nylander deal, looks like a clown in the media.

This team needs a lot of work to get over the top IE: deadline deals. He will probably get worked over in trades next.
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He's got a nice smile though.
 
FlareKnight

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Well no...not really. At least not in terms of negotiating contract terms. Getting Tavares was huge. But if feels more like the difficulty was getting him to leave New York and negotiating terms wasn't that involved. He caved on the Nylander negotiation and that is having a rough effect.

He could be great. But until he really starts nailing some contracts the doubts exist. Get Matthews and Marner on good contracts before next season starts and then I'd have big faith in him. But so far he hasn't done a lot to make me think he can get the best deal from those negotiations.
 
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LeafFever

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DavePoulin4PM said:
I don’t have faith in Dubas, in any aspect of being a GM. Tavares wanted to come to Toronto. Anyone could’ve brought him in. He has had a poor draft, did nothing in FA period besides Tavares, got rid of the perfect backup goalie for trash, got bent over in Nylander deal, looks like a clown in the media.

This team needs a lot of work to get over the top IE: deadline deals. He will probably get worked over in trades next. The best thing that could happen to the organization is broom Shanny and Dubas and hand the keys to Stevie Y. This is year 5 for Shanny. 5 years without a playoff win really should be enough to get him fired.
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I love hearing this over and over now. What a load of crap.
 
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He signed Nylander within the average based on his comparables - the Athletic had an article that went through every possible one. With adjusted cap the high end comparison was around 7.1 mil Ava, and Nylander camenin jnder that.

As long as he’s able to sign core guys within the fair range things are fine. Considering he’s only been GM for a few months with only one major contract sorted so far strange thread
 
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Stephen

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Nylander has under performed since he's come back to the Leafs, but at his AAV he's basically signed to the high side of the safe zone of what we wanted to pay Nylander so we can afford to sign Matthews and Marner. The only thing is we didn't expect Marner to constantly be upping his statistical output.
 
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He's a great choice for hockey in 2019. You can always bring back Mark Hunter to do something. He doesn't seem to ever get interviewed by any NHL teams.
If Dubas was Colorado GM right now you'd be bitching about how we let him go and he's only 33. And decent chance there's no Tavares.
 
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Mr Hockey

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LeafFever said:
He's a great choice for hockey in 2019. You can always bring back Mark Hunter to do something. He doesn't seem to ever get interviewed by any NHL teams.
If Dubas was Colorado GM right now you'd be *****ing about how we let him go and he's only 33. And decent chance there's no Tavares.
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I don't think he wants to work for anyone other than the Leafs, London is also a money making machine
 
DavePoulin4PM

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LeafFever said:
He's a great choice for hockey in 2019. You can always bring back Mark Hunter to do something. He doesn't seem to ever get interviewed by any NHL teams.
If Dubas was Colorado GM right now you'd be *****ing about how we let him go and he's only 33. And decent chance there's no Tavares.
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Or you could bring in Steve Yzerman.
 
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LeafFever

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DavePoulin4PM said:
Or you could bring in Steve Yzerman.
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Have we really come to the point we are going to fire our GM with half a season as GM and the team looking at record points AND he built a Calder winner and signed the biggest NHL UFA in at least 12 years.
And please spare me the lame answer Tavares was coming no matter what. He signed with the Leafs the night before July 1st. He was seriously considering the Islanders. Dubas' presentation got rave reviews and we know Tavares himself loved it.
 
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LeafFever said:
Have we really come to the point we are going to fire our GM with half a season as GM and the team looking at record points AND he built a Calder winner and signed the biggest NHL UFA in at least 12 years.
And please spare me the lame answer Tavares was coming no matter what. He signed with the Leafs the night before July 1st. He was seriously considering the Islanders. Dubas' presentation got rave reviews and we know Tavares himself loved it.
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Apparently choosing the "wrong" backup goalie and losing the better one on waivers is a firable offense...
 
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Stephen said:
Nylander has under performed since he's come back to the Leafs, but at his AAV he's basically signed to the high side of the safe zone of what we wanted to pay Nylander so we can afford to sign Matthews and Marner. The only thing is we didn't expect Marner to constantly be upping his statistical output.
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At this point, Matthews isn't earning a better contract than Marner.
 
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DavePoulin4PM said:
I don’t have faith in Dubas, in any aspect of being a GM. Tavares wanted to come to Toronto. Anyone could’ve brought him in. He has had a poor draft, did nothing in FA period besides Tavares, got rid of the perfect backup goalie for trash, got bent over in Nylander deal, looks like a clown in the media.

This team needs a lot of work to get over the top IE: deadline deals. He will probably get worked over in trades next. The best thing that could happen to the organization is broom Shanny and Dubas and hand the keys to Stevie Y. This is year 5 for Shanny. 5 years without a playoff win really should be enough to get him fired.
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This is the most ridiculous post in this thread of ridiculous posts.... at least there is some validity in the Dubas skepticism, but now to target Shanny?! Do you remember where this organization was before Shanny?

As for his drafting, Sandin and SDA look like steals and Durzi has played well despite missing most of the year to injury. It is way to premature to call it a poor draft especially considering early encouraging signs.

Tavares, and Tavares alone, in FA was a thing of beauty. If you haven’t been paying attention, FA is a one way ticket to caphell, smart GMs stay away from middle shelf items. Franchise players and bargin bins are the only players that are worth their value.

McBackup hasn’t been any better than Sparks and has been injured twice.

The Athletic predicted a fair price for Nylander based on historic comparables to be over 7, dubas got him under 7 and while not ideal, it was still league average for a player of his ilk. In no way did he get bent over considering Nylander started at over 8.
 
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The Podium said:
This is the most ridiculous post in this thread of ridiculous posts.... at least there is some validity in the Dubas skepticism, but now to target Shanny?! Do you remember where this organization was before Shanny?

As for his drafting, Sandin and SDA look like steals and Durzi has played well despite missing most of the year to injury. It is way to premature to call it a poor draft especially considering early encouraging signs.

Tavares, and Tavares alone, in FA was a thing of beauty. If you haven’t been paying attention, FA is a one way ticket to caphell, smart GMs stay away from middle shelf items. Franchise players and bargin bins are the only players that are worth their value.

McBackup hasn’t been any better than Sparks and has been injured twice.

The Athletic predicted a fair price for Nylander based on historic comparables to be over 7, dubas got him under 7 and while not ideal, it was still league average for a player of his ilk. In no way did he get bent over considering Nylander started at over 8.
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Agree with the draft, Tavares, and Sparks, but the Nylander negotiations were a disaster.
 
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