Do you trust Keefe as a coach in the playoffs?

[ANDI P IS CUTE]

you dont run your 3rd and 4th lines out to start the game at home game 1 wtf was he thinking? holl got walked on the perry goal . i said all along holl shouldve been fired after last years playoffs.

 

[Dekes For Days]

I’m curious to hear who all should share the Blame for that debacle last night

Y'all were saying this stuff before the game was even played, and while it wasn't a good game and I don't agree with some of the things Keefe did, that still doesn't validate the majority of the things said about Keefe in here. Just like Cooper wasn't a trash coach when his team got stomped in game 1 last year.

 

[francis246]

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I was thinking the same. I believe Dubas is calling a lot of the shots from his private box. I don’t think Keefe is a bad coach, I mean he can only work with what he has. Sadly enough, Toronto is just a far sub-par team to Tampa Bay. It is like comparing a **** box car to a Lamborghini. They just don’t have the horsepower.


Keefe is not the blame. The underperforming spoiled players are. Matthews should be more concerned with his play on the ice then what outfit he is wearing to the game.

This is somewhat true, if you watch back the broadcast. After the refs reviewed, Dubas pointed to someone in the box signalling they radio down for keefe to then challenge for goaltender interference

Also looking at the shift charts today made me so mad. Keefe had his head up his ass to start yesterdays game.

 

[Puckstuff]

These lines are completely f***ing retarted. When we win, it's in SPITE of Keefe not because of him. He will NEVER learn Tavares-Nylander don't work well together. One player excels on the rush and using speed, the other plays a cycle game and benefits from getting shots in the slot. I just can't stand this guy.

 

[PromisedLand]

Let's play a short game.

Name the coaches in this year's playoffs that you think Sheldon Keefe is capable of outcoaching. Not only in a game, but in an entire playoff series.

There's your answer to this thread.

Leafs have to go through the East to make the finals.

In a series, is he outcoaching Cooper? Brind'Amour? Gallant? Montgomery? Not a chance.

And this is why being a fan of this team is so goddamn hard sometimes. We're in a Stanley Cup drought that's approaching six decades and we haven't won a playoff series in twenty years. Yet we let people run this team that have no business running anything let a lone an original six team with astronomical amounts of pressure to succeed based on the aforementioned droughts. It's absolutely insane that Kyle Dubas and Sheldon Keefe are in charge of our Toronto Maple Leafs at this point.

Being given a chance to learn on the job here was already questionable. But after the results of the past few seasons, playoff losses, embarrassing record setting losses, record bad stretches of special teams, never before seen salary cap structures, etc. it's approaching absolute insanity. I feel like I need to take crazy pills to follow this team sometimes.

Holl on for 6 goals against in Game 1 and he's going to be rolled right back out for Game 2 while an arguably better defenseman sits? Sickening.

Line matching on home ice when we've got a healthy, stacked lineup of forwards? Sickening.

Keefe is an absolute joke. Dubas is the GM. He should manage the entire team. Coaching staff included.

I can tell you that if I was in his position and put it all on the line the way he did at the deadline, I'd be calling the shots on who plays and who sits. Friendships, micromanaging, etc. be damned. We need results. If he isn't seeing the mistake that Keefe is making then he's not competent enough to be a GM. Simple as that.

Dubas is on record saying how Keefe would be counted among the best coaches of all time. And no I am not making it up.

 

[RunItBackAgain]

These lines are completely f***ing retarted. When we win, it's in SPITE of Keefe not because of him. He will NEVER learn Tavares-Nylander don't work well together. Nylander was a 100 point pace player per 82 without Tavares and under 66 with Tavares. This so stupid. One player excels on the rush and using speed, the other plays a cycle game and benefits from getting shots in the slot. I just can't stand this guy.

Wasn't the Matthews - Willy pair like 39GF/10GA with the largest sample size of any line this season? I don't get it

edit: 32/10

 

[PromisedLand]

Wasn't the Matthews - Willy pair like 39GF/10GA with the largest sample size of any line this season? I don't get it

because matthews-marner is too predictable. marner is always looking for matthews to take the shot; just looking to pass and it becomes easier to defend.

with matthews-nylander duo its a double edged sword shot can come from any place.

thats why I wanted at home:

Jankrok-Matthews-Nylander

Kerfoot-ROR-Marner (your shutdown line that can score/kerfoot there by defualt b/c we don;t have anyother winger; even if bunting wasn;t suspended i wouldn't put him there b/c bunting's defensive game is really weak)

Knies-Tavares-Acciari (sheltered mins against oppositions' 3rd and 4th line)

 

[RunItBackAgain]

because matthews-marner is too predictable. marner is always looking for matthews to take the shot; just looking to pass and it becomes easier to defend.

with matthews-nylander duo its a double edged sword shot can come from any place.

thats why I wanted at home:

Jankrok-Matthews-Nylander

Kerfoot-ROR-Marner (your shutdown line that can score/kerfoot there by defualt b/c we don;t have anyother winger; even if bunting wasn;t suspended i wouldn't put him there b/c bunting's defensive game is really weak)

Knies-Tavares-Acciari (sheltered mins against oppositions' 3rd and 4th line)

Don't worry Leafs will win game 2 and everyone will pound their chests that Keefe is going to the HOF and our players have learned from their past mistakes.

I love the playoffs. 17 more hours.

 

[Willchel Marlynder]

Nylander's 5v5 stats are godly and this clown keeps treating him like he's not top 3 on the team

xgf not good enough for top 5v5 minutes. It is good enough for 2nd pp unit deployment though.

Keefe Keefe. Ride the Mathews Marner pairing for the 5th(?) Straight year. I hope it works Keefer or you'll be put of a job soon enough.

 

[IPS]

Nylander's 5v5 stats are godly and this clown keeps treating him like he's not top 3 on the team

For some reason it's gotta be Tavares. Nylander is a way better player at this point in their careers but everybody's gotta pretend that Tavares is the main man behind Matthews and Marner.

 

[PromisedLand]

For some reason it's gotta be Tavares. Nylander is a way better player at this point in their careers but everybody's gotta pretend that Tavares is the main man behind Matthews and Marner.

Tavares has sucked 5 on 5 this season. Matthews-Nylander has been a more dangerous duo than Matthews-Marner this season but yet Keefe and his stupid galaxy braining would not stop.

Moreover he has Justin Holl once again penciled in for game 2.

It seems like Leafs management and coaching staff are out to troll the Leafs Nation more than trying to win the game/series/cup.

 

[34]

These lines are completely f***ing retarted. When we win, it's in SPITE of Keefe not because of him. He will NEVER learn Tavares-Nylander don't work well together. One player excels on the rush and using speed, the other plays a cycle game and benefits from getting shots in the slot. I just can't stand this guy.

Keefe is in love with Holl. I just don’t see what he sees.

 

[Contenderorpretender]

The first two minutes of game one showed that Cooper was already in Keefe's head. Or, if that was his game plan than he is an absolute terrible strategist.

 

[LastOne2100]

It seems like Leafs management and coaching staff are out to troll the Leafs Nation more than trying to win the game/series/cup.

This assumes a level of competency that just isn't there. This isn't malice, it's incompetence via clear and obvious preferential treatment for certain players which has caused a toxic situation.

How many players will we watch leave the Leafs, get the opportunity our morons refused to give them, and thrive elsewhere?

 

[HamiltonNHL]

because matthews-marner is too predictable.

Marner has to shoot.
He has an NHL shot now

 

[Larcos_Unal]

To me it all started with not having Matthews on the ice until after it's 1-0.

Matthews played less 5v5 time then Accari and Schenn.

Stop being cute. Play your best players.

Stop trying to get Matthews and Marner away from the Kucherov line.

Since almost everyone would argue Marner and Matthews are begter in their own end than Tavares and Nylander use them like it.

I agree with this with the fury of a thousand suns.

At some point 34 & 16 are gonna have to play like big boys. They're paid more than the Kucherov line so go out and earn it, enough coddling.

 

[Larcos_Unal]

The first two minutes of game one showed that Cooper was already in Keefe's head. Or, if that was his game plan than he is an absolute terrible strategist.

Cooper has Keefe in his back pocket, it's honestly not even a fair match-up.

 

[TheBigThree]

He's atrocious. Believes he has a big brain because he won with a stacked marlies team. It's a joke.

 

[kevsh]

Just like Cooper wasn't a trash coach when his team got stomped in game 1 last year.

Cooper had just come off back-to-back Cup wins, he gets the benefit of the doubt. Keefe in his brief NHL career hasn't coached his team to a single series win, and it was painfully clear he got out-coached in game 1. He has not earned that benefit.

And judging by his (sadly predictable) line tinkering for game 2 (Read: He's already thrown out plan A after one game), he's already losing the coaching duel for game 2 before the puck even drops.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Cooper had just come off back-to-back Cup wins

So even a back-to-back cup winning coach can have his team look like garbage in game 1. That kind of proves the point.
We've also seen similar games from NJ, Boston, Minnesota, and Vegas through the beginning of these playoffs. Do their coaches all suck too?
You can't claim an occurrence proves something, but only for one person, while it's irrelevant for everybody else.

 

[thewave]

So even a back-to-back cup winning coach can have his team look like garbage in game 1. That kind of proves the point.
We've also seen similar games from NJ, Boston, Minnesota, and Vegas through the beginning of these playoffs. Do their coaches all suck too?
You can't claim an occurrence proves something, but only for one person, while it's irrelevant for everybody else.

There is no evidence to date that suggests Keefe is a good playoff coach. We lost to inferior teams in the PO's with him. I think you need to go with the 85.6% that agree on this one.

 

[1specter]

So even a back-to-back cup winning coach can have his team look like garbage in game 1. That kind of proves the point.
We've also seen similar games from NJ, Boston, Minnesota, and Vegas through the beginning of these playoffs. Do their coaches all suck too?
You can't claim an occurrence proves something, but only for one person, while it's irrelevant for everybody else.

Keefe has no track record of winning in the NHL. This group of players on this team also does not. No team will win every single game, but this team hasn't earned the trust or benefit of the doubt when they've blown every single big game they've had to play 6 years running. Not sure why this is such a hard concept for you to understand.

 

[ACC1224]

Keefe has no track record of winning in the NHL. This group of players on this team also does not. No team will win every single game, but this team hasn't earned the trust or benefit of the doubt when they've blown every single big game they've had to play 6 years running. Not sure why this is such a hard concept for you to understand.

I'm pretty sure everyone knows why.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Keefe has no track record of winning in the NHL.

He actually has a massive track record of winning in the NHL. He's lost a few playoff series by one goal, for reasons that really have little to do with coaching.
But that's also not really the discussion. We're talking about what game 1 meant, and some are attempting to claim it proves something about Keefe, while at the same time, dismissing the meaning for every other coach that experienced the same thing.

It's pretty simple. Whether you like Keefe or not, don't base your arguments on double standards.

they've blown every single big game they've had to play 6 years running.

We've won quite a few big playoff games over the past 6 years, for the record.

 

[1specter]

He actually has a massive track record of winning in the NHL. He's lost a few playoff series by one goal, for reasons that really have little to do with coaching.
But that's also not really the discussion. We're talking about what game 1 meant, and some are attempting to claim it proves something about Keefe, while at the same time, dismissing the meaning for every other coach that experienced the same thing.

It's pretty simple. Whether you like Keefe or not, don't base your arguments on double standards.

We've won quite a few big playoff games over the past 6 years, for the record.

Keefe has not won a playoff series and has not won an elimination game. This team has not either. These are the facts, after 6 years nobody gives a f*** about regular season anymore. Once again, not sure why this is hard for you to understand. You're going on and on about winning all the games except the ones that actually ended with a final result of advancing in the playoffs.