Do you trust Keefe as a coach in the playoffs?

[ULF_55]

It's all on the players. Coaching and management share no responsibility.

Is the rumour of Keefe being fired and replaced by Spezza a real thing then?

 

[Teeder Keon]

What's Mike Keenan doing these days?

 

[LeafSteel]

I was done with him after the loss against Montreal.

What will stand out to me was when the line of Galchenyuk-Kerfoot-Nylander was one of our better lines, he broke them up for no identifiable reason, and none of them did anything of note the remainder of the series.

Decisions that make no sense, failing to make impactful adjustments. Honestly, the only chance the Leafs have of not being outcoached comes from them having Home ice in the 1st round and final change. If Tampa had won home ice, I would be feeling a lot less optimistic than I am right now.

Is the rumour of Keefe being fired and replaced by Spezza a real thing then?

I haven't heard this, but it doesn't make a lot of sense for Spezza.

I think he is angling more for an Executive role at MLSE than as a coach, which is exactly what I would be aiming for in his shoes.

Much more room to grow and much more stability than being behind the bench, particularly as a newbie coach. I think Spezza has bigger and better things ahead for him at MLSE.

 

[HockeyVirus]

Can some one quantify outcoached other than meaning lost? he was outcoached by Ducharme? Was he telling Campbell to let in floaters in game 7, Galchenyuk to do 360 blind spin passes in OT at the blueline, etc?

Keefe's record is a reflection of terrible luck and good opponents IMO

 

[ThrowDemTongs]

"Uh, no, Peg"

*Audience laughs*

*Flushes toilet*

 

[Arzak]

At the risk of reacting emotionally after tonight's loss - No I don't.

High pressure regular season games indicates no. Historic playoff performance indicates no. The constant line juggling game to game, shift to shift, especially a mere 5 games before the playoffs doesn't inspire much confidence. The latter suggests he has no idea how to use the tools Dubas has provided him.

This.

It is one thing to try a different combinations, but this is too much. Players need some room for mistakes before you break line.

 

[Larcos_Unal]

Is the rumour of Keefe being fired and replaced by Spezza a real thing then?

Par for the course that we'd target a guy with even less coaching experience than Keefe.

 

[All Mod Cons]

Is the rumour of Keefe being fired and replaced by Spezza a real thing then?

I've heard it's going to be Brianne Veale

 

[crump]

After years of failure how can anybody truly trust the Leafs. I love them, I bleed blue and white but I’m not trusting anyone until they can show they can win a playoff round. We know he’s won amateur and AHL championships, so he knows how to win, NHL is a different level though. This will be his 4th try to get out of a first round. No I don’t trust him.

 

[Seras]

Stupid question when there is no alternative.

Just another way to take shots and be miserable

 

[fahad203]

Can some one quantify outcoached other than meaning lost? he was outcoached by Ducharme? Was he telling Campbell to let in floaters in game 7, Galchenyuk to do 360 blind spin passes in OT at the blueline, etc?

Keefe's record is a reflection of terrible luck and good opponents IMO

That's 3 game 6s they could have won. With Andersen and Campbell in net.

Last year game 7 against Vasi he waited too long to stack the lines.

Gally was game 5 or 6. We still had that series. He didn't want to take Matthews away from Denault. As he said doesn't believe in line matching

His decision to play Simmonds who took a dump penalty that cost us a goal. Simmonds has been done years now
Especially putting him with Spezza. Who was already slow creating an even slower line

Game 6 and 7 leafs should have come out guns and blazing especially at home. We never do. One player that did in Clifford never played. That was the most convincing game we won

 

[ITM]

I trust the law of averages more.

 

[PromisedLand]

I don't think you remember, but both Columbus goalies literally had 2 of the better goaltending series in recent memory at the time.

While our goalie was letting in goals like this during key moments...



Game winner^



Another Andersen back-breaker on-route to the comeback



Another back breaker

Obviously we all would have loved to score more goals that series, but those goalies did something Andersen couldn't, steal games.

That Blue Jacket team also went on to essentially have 5 one goal games against the Bolts the next round, one big difference is that Vash is Vash.

BOTTOM LINE: Keefe couldn't find a way to beat CBJ neutral ice trap wel enough and got shutout TWICE in that series

posting "clips" out of context of the entire game to say "see" is dishonest

 

[ULF_55]

Par for the course that we'd target a guy with even less coaching experience than Keefe.

If coaching doesn't matter ... what are you doing for the next 3 weeks?

 

[Eternal Leaf]

Can some one quantify outcoached other than meaning lost? he was outcoached by Ducharme? Was he telling Campbell to let in floaters in game 7, Galchenyuk to do 360 blind spin passes in OT at the blueline, etc?

Keefe's record is a reflection of terrible luck and good opponents IMO

I think that excuse can be used for one series.

But losing three series in a row is a sign of a bad playoff coach. Opposing coaches have used the same system to break down Keefe's teams year after year and he still doesn't know how to solve it.

Keefe is the type of coach that doesn't motivate his players in big-game situations. How many times in the playoffs did the team come out flat? It's been so many times I've lost count.

 

[ULF_55]

I think that excuse can be used for one series.

But losing three series in a row is a sign of a bad playoff coach. Opposing coaches have used the same system to break down Keefe's teams year after year and he still doesn't know how to solve it.

Keefe is the type of coach that doesn't motivate his players in big-game situations. How many times in the playoffs did the team come out flat? It's been so many times I've lost count.

To be brutal ... he's failed 3 straight playoffs.

After making the changes they've made this year, he either gets them to the 2nd. round or he is done or the MLSE doesn't care.

Losing in the first round again, again with home ice advantage, Keefe has zero defense. No pun intended.


That's why I don't think anyone should be worried or concerned about this year.

They either make it to round 2 or anyone defending the current management isn't a fan and we can just disregard any defense they put forward. Seriously, you can't scream how wonderful this management group is, and continue to make excuses, if they fail yet again.

 

[nuck]

Is the rumour of Keefe being fired and replaced by Spezza a real thing then?

Clickbait IMO. I think Keefe getting fired means Dubas as well so its the new GMs guy and likely not any current MLSE employee. Maybe they give someone like Carberry a look on an interim basis but the chances they reach for yet another on the job training candidate seems pretty unlikely. I imagine any replacement for Keefe would be someone who is considered "safe". Too bad Quenneville still has the stank of the Beach thing on him and Trotz is out but the job will attract some top candidates if/when the time comes

 

[PromisedLand]

Is the rumour of Keefe being fired and replaced by Spezza a real thing then?

wohh where is this coming from? didn't see it or hear it?

 

[Larcos_Unal]

If coaching doesn't matter ... what are you doing for the next 3 weeks?

Never said it didn't matter, we get outcoached on the regular. I'm just saying that if you're gonna replace Keefe maybe find a veteran and not a guy who's never coached in the league before.

 

[egd27]

Look at the stink bombs Andersen gave up at key moments in that series…

Yes we should have beat the Habs, but Keefe isn’t the reason Matthews/Marner/Hyman combined for 2 goals all series…

CBJ - I'll repeat what was said in the post you replied to. They were shut out twice in 5 games (almost 3 times) because Keefe couldn't adjust.

MTL- Keefe is the one that continued to stick with Matthews/Marner/Hyman even though they only combined for 2 goals all series…

 

[ULF_55]

Never said it didn't matter, we get outcoached on the regular. I'm just saying that if you're gonna replace Keefe maybe find a veteran and not a guy who's never coached in the league before.

What started this sub-thread was:

 

[cupcrazyman2]

Are we going to blame Keefe when we get knocked out or the top players who will disappear on the score sheet once again ?

 

[notDatsyuk]

I don't have faith in Keefe as a coach in the regular season!

 

[Larcos_Unal]

What started this sub-thread was:

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Nope, don't agree with that at all...players have to be utilized to the best of their abilities and our boy hasn't shown he can compete with Cooper at all.

Roster has been overhauled for years now, it's a shared blame between the core and the coach. If they don't beat Tampa there needs to be major surgery and I'm not talking about bottom 6 guys like every other year...the core has to change

 

[ULF_55]

Nope, don't agree with that at all...players have to be utilized to the best of their abilities and our boy hasn't shown he can compete with Cooper at all.

Roster has been overhauled for years now, it's a shared blame between the core and the coach. If they don't beat Tampa there needs to be major surgery and I'm not talking about bottom 6 guys like every other year...the core has to change

Yeah, another failure should be the last for this management and top 6.