Do you believe in Frederik Andersen? Would you re-sign?

[hockeyes]

I don't think Andersen is a cup winning goalie. So to me it's pretty simple, he needs to be replaced unless we don't plan on winning anytime soon.

 

[6ix]

f*** no. Mr. Sub .900. Can’t wait till he’s gone.

 

[Antropovsky]

I wonder what his game preparation routine is like? I recall hearing that Ed belfour had a crazy routine. Which is strange... he seemed so sloppy in his lifestyle.

 

[kliq]

My question for people who dont want him back is who's replacing him? I'm on the fence with Freddy. I find him incredibly skilled but isn't capable of ever carrying the team like you'll see with an elite goalie. If you go with Campbell, you'd better have a 1B behind him because as much as I like Campbell, he's never been a number 1.

Based on current caphit, here are the top 16 UFA goalies in the offseason:

1. Tuukka Rask	BOS	34	G	Left	4	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	3	1	0	2.13	.905		UFA	$7,000,000	$6,500,000
2. Pekka Rinne	NSH	38	G	Left	3	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	1	1	0	2.98	.863	M-NTC, NMC	UFA	$5,000,000	$4,000,000
3. Frederik Andersen	TOR	31	G	Left	7	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	5	2	0	2.88	.896	M-NTC	UFA	$5,000,000	$5,000,000
4. Jordan Binnington	STL	27	G	Left	6	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	4	1	0	2.75	.913		UFA	$4,400,000	$4,250,000
5. Devan Dubnyk	SJS	35	G	Left	5	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	0	3	0	3.24	.902	M-NTC	UFA	$4,333,333	$2,500,000
6. Antti Raanta	ARI	32	G	Left	1	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	1	0	0	3.05	.912		UFA	$4,250,000	$4,000,000
7. James Reimer	CAR	33	G	Left	1	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	1	0	0	2.03	.939		UFA	$3,400,000	$3,100,000
8. Philipp Grubauer	COL	29	G	Left	7	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	5	2	2	1.87	.928		UFA	$3,333,333	$2,750,000
9. Petr Mrázek	CAR	29	G	Left	3	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	2	1	2	1.01	.955		UFA	$3,125,000	$3,250,000
10. Jonathan Bernier	DET	32	G	Left	4	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	2	1	0	3.55	.881		UFA	$3,000,000	$2,500,000
11. David Rittich	CGY	28	G	Left	1	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	0	1	0	4.00	.810		UFA	$2,750,000	$2,750,000
12. Carter Hutton	BUF	35	G	Left	3	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	1	2	0	2.66	.899		UFA	$2,750,000	$2,750,000
13. Anders Nilsson	TBL	31	G	Left	0	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	0	0	0	0.00	.000		UFA	$2,600,000	$2,400,000
14. Linus Ullmark	BUF	27	G	Left	5	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	2	1	0	2.52	.915		UFA	$2,600,000	$2,600,000
15. Jaroslav Halák	BOS	36	G	Left	3	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	2	0	0	1.30	.939		UFA	$2,250,000	$2,250,000
16. Ilya Sorokin	NYI	25	G	Left	2	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	0	2	0	3.59	.875		RFA	$2,000,000	$2,000,000

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

 

[Man Bear Pig]

Based on current caphit, here are the top 16 UFA goalies in the offseason:

1. Tuukka Rask	BOS	34	G	Left	4	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	3	1	0	2.13	.905		UFA	$7,000,000	$6,500,000
2. Pekka Rinne	NSH	38	G	Left	3	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	1	1	0	2.98	.863	M-NTC, NMC	UFA	$5,000,000	$4,000,000
3. Frederik Andersen	TOR	31	G	Left	7	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	5	2	0	2.88	.896	M-NTC	UFA	$5,000,000	$5,000,000
4. Jordan Binnington	STL	27	G	Left	6	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	4	1	0	2.75	.913		UFA	$4,400,000	$4,250,000
5. Devan Dubnyk	SJS	35	G	Left	5	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	0	3	0	3.24	.902	M-NTC	UFA	$4,333,333	$2,500,000
6. Antti Raanta	ARI	32	G	Left	1	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	1	0	0	3.05	.912		UFA	$4,250,000	$4,000,000
7. James Reimer	CAR	33	G	Left	1	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	1	0	0	2.03	.939		UFA	$3,400,000	$3,100,000
8. Philipp Grubauer	COL	29	G	Left	7	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	5	2	2	1.87	.928		UFA	$3,333,333	$2,750,000
9. Petr Mrázek	CAR	29	G	Left	3	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	2	1	2	1.01	.955		UFA	$3,125,000	$3,250,000
10. Jonathan Bernier	DET	32	G	Left	4	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	2	1	0	3.55	.881		UFA	$3,000,000	$2,500,000
11. David Rittich	CGY	28	G	Left	1	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	0	1	0	4.00	.810		UFA	$2,750,000	$2,750,000
12. Carter Hutton	BUF	35	G	Left	3	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	1	2	0	2.66	.899		UFA	$2,750,000	$2,750,000
13. Anders Nilsson	TBL	31	G	Left	0	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	0	0	0	0.00	.000		UFA	$2,600,000	$2,400,000
14. Linus Ullmark	BUF	27	G	Left	5	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	2	1	0	2.52	.915		UFA	$2,600,000	$2,600,000
15. Jaroslav Halák	BOS	36	G	Left	3	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	2	0	0	1.30	.939		UFA	$2,250,000	$2,250,000
16. Ilya Sorokin	NYI	25	G	Left	2	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	0	2	0	3.59	.875		RFA	$2,000,000	$2,000,000

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Pretty slim pickings. Raanta,Grubauer and Binnington are the only ones I see worth looking at and I don't see them as a major upgrade. Rask is Boston or retirement. Same with Rinne.

 

[kliq]

Pretty slim pickings. Raanta,Grubauer and Binnington are the only ones I see worth looking at and I don't see them as a major upgrade. Rask is Boston or retirement. Same with Rinne.

I would agree for the most part, though I think Binnington would be a major upgrade.

With that’s said, he’s likely going to cost you if he decides to leave St. Louis.

*edit* just saw he’s from Richmond hill, so who knows, maybe he would take a discount to be so close to home. I also have to wonder if he was a Leafs fan growing up, that could play a factor like it did with JT.

 

[MS13]

If those are our options, i would try and resign Freddy for another year or two at least. Don't see any upgrades on that list. Binnington has won a cup, yes, but has only played roughly 90 games in the NHL. Has had a strong defensive core in front of him as well. I don't think he's proven yet.

 

[LeafsNation75]

If those are our options, i would try and resign Freddy for another year or two at least. Don't see any upgrades on that list. Binnington has won a cup, yes, but has only played roughly 90 games in the NHL. Has had a strong defensive core in front of him as well. I don't think he's proven yet.

The first thing that comes to my mind when I think about Binnington and the 90 games he's played is when Toronto traded for Jonathan Bernier, who had only played 62 games at that time and had the potential to become a #1 Goalie.

 

[MC41]

If those are our options, i would try and resign Freddy for another year or two at least. Don't see any upgrades on that list. Binnington has won a cup, yes, but has only played roughly 90 games in the NHL. Has had a strong defensive core in front of him as well. I don't think he's proven yet.

And Freddy ist proven in not bringing it.

Yesterdays Freddy was Freddy in a Nutshell. Streaky, 2 min of a Game he is unbeatable, the next 5 min hes floating in the crease finding no pucks, the next 2 mins he has no rebound controll, after this phase he is in Godmode again.

I dont trust the 2021 Freddy at all.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Freddy stole them a point last night, they don't get to OT without that save with 7 seconds left, if only the defense had shown up even SLIGHTLY, like Justin Holl not being beat by Josh f***ing Archibald, if he doesn't score with 14 seconds left in the 1st they win 3-2

 

[BertCorbeau]

I re-sign if he was willing to take a Holtby like contract .. nothing with term and not a raise.

Hate to put my faith in that slim UFA crop

 

[hoglund]

Based on current caphit, here are the top 16 UFA goalies in the offseason:

1. Tuukka Rask	BOS	34	G	Left	4	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	3	1	0	2.13	.905		UFA	$7,000,000	$6,500,000
2. Pekka Rinne	NSH	38	G	Left	3	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	1	1	0	2.98	.863	M-NTC, NMC	UFA	$5,000,000	$4,000,000
3. Frederik Andersen	TOR	31	G	Left	7	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	5	2	0	2.88	.896	M-NTC	UFA	$5,000,000	$5,000,000
4. Jordan Binnington	STL	27	G	Left	6	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	4	1	0	2.75	.913		UFA	$4,400,000	$4,250,000
5. Devan Dubnyk	SJS	35	G	Left	5	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	0	3	0	3.24	.902	M-NTC	UFA	$4,333,333	$2,500,000
6. Antti Raanta	ARI	32	G	Left	1	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	1	0	0	3.05	.912		UFA	$4,250,000	$4,000,000
7. James Reimer	CAR	33	G	Left	1	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	1	0	0	2.03	.939		UFA	$3,400,000	$3,100,000
8. Philipp Grubauer	COL	29	G	Left	7	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	5	2	2	1.87	.928		UFA	$3,333,333	$2,750,000
9. Petr Mrázek	CAR	29	G	Left	3	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	2	1	2	1.01	.955		UFA	$3,125,000	$3,250,000
10. Jonathan Bernier	DET	32	G	Left	4	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	2	1	0	3.55	.881		UFA	$3,000,000	$2,500,000
11. David Rittich	CGY	28	G	Left	1	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	0	1	0	4.00	.810		UFA	$2,750,000	$2,750,000
12. Carter Hutton	BUF	35	G	Left	3	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	1	2	0	2.66	.899		UFA	$2,750,000	$2,750,000
13. Anders Nilsson	TBL	31	G	Left	0	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	0	0	0	0.00	.000		UFA	$2,600,000	$2,400,000
14. Linus Ullmark	BUF	27	G	Left	5	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	2	1	0	2.52	.915		UFA	$2,600,000	$2,600,000
15. Jaroslav Halák	BOS	36	G	Left	3	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	2	0	0	1.30	.939		UFA	$2,250,000	$2,250,000
16. Ilya Sorokin	NYI	25	G	Left	2	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	0	2	0	3.59	.875		RFA	$2,000,000	$2,000,000

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

It looks like we should've kept Reimer.

 

[Carltons Cup]

Sign Freddy who has split personalities?

Can we trade the houseleague Freddy and keep the beast mode Freddy?

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

It looks like we should've kept Reimer.

Don't be ridiculous

 

[saltming]

And Freddy ist proven in not bringing it.

Yesterdays Freddy was Freddy in a Nutshell. Streaky, 2 min of a Game he is unbeatable, the next 5 min hes floating in the crease finding no pucks, the next 2 mins he has no rebound controll, after this phase he is in Godmode again.

I dont trust the 2021 Freddy at all.

Do you think situation and shot quality might have something to do with that?
Like how good could your rebound control be on a backdoor save or a deflected shot through a maze of players? What about bodies in the crease limiting your movements and positioning?

 

[MC41]

Do you think situation and shot quality might have something to do with that?
Like how good could your rebound control be on a backdoor save or a deflected shot through a maze of players? What about bodies in the crease limiting your movements and positioning?

Oh, a Goalie reacts to different Situations not the same?

Ok, more specific, the good "Freddy" makes a calm save cause he has a proper position, stands tall, the "bad" Freddy overplays exact the same situation and is way out of Position.

And this Dr. Jackyl/Mr Hyde Freddy changed in the past every few weeks, since last Season he changes between his personas in a game multiple times.

The below 0.910 in the last 18 month is not only a problem in the defensive end, a big part of it is Freddy.

 

[saltming]

Oh, a Goalie reacts to different Situations not the same?

Ok, more specific, the good "Freddy" makes a calm save cause he has a proper position, stands tall, the "bad" Freddy overplays exact the same situation and is way out of Position.

And this Dr. Jackyl/Mr Hyde Freddy changed in the past every few weeks, since last Season he changes between his personas in a game multiple times.

The below 0.910 in the last 18 month is not only a problem in the defensive end, a big part of it is Freddy.

But positioning is directly affected by the factors I listed.
All goalies have off games even the best. Fact is Freddie usually has way more good ones than bad over a full season.
Also durability is a huge factor when thinking of a starter, which Freddie has shown he has.
Imo the bad Freddie is when the pucks leak through him. He's in position but it slips through his arm and body. That's the bad Freddie. When he scrambles, which is necessary at times, he is in good control and usually tracks the puck really well.
Compare him to the snow angel Reimer and you will see a huge difference.
If we could upgrade on Freddie we should. Can we upgrade on Freddie? I'm not seeing an obvious replacement.
If the team decides to part ways I'm hoping we get a platoon situation with Campbell and whoever they can land because again I don't see a proven #1 out there for the picking and despite the dislike in this thread, Fred is a proven #1 just by the shear numbers in his portfolio, starts, shots faced, sv%, wins etc

 

[ChickenMcNugget]

Just re sign him. There's no one out there that is a big improvement and wouldn't cost big $. Toronto is not the only team looking at the goalie market.

He is a good goalie and is free. The other options is to trade for another goalie or sign a goalie with more $. Both are unnecessary risks.

 

[ToneDog]

If he fails to win another must win playoff game, he is done here.

If he plays well these playoffs and is willing to go 3x5+m, then you have to consider it. The devil you know might be better than the devil you do not.

If they want to go in another direction, I'd be tempted to go with the younger Grubauer @ 3x$3.3-4m or Ullmark @ 2x$2.5-3m and gain some cap space.

 

[hoglund]

I

Don't be ridiculous

I and going by the save %age so far, Reimer is ahead of most of the top goalies, but it's early.

 

[saltming]

I
I and going by the save %age so far, Reimer is ahead of most of the top goalies, but it's early.

Reimer has only 1 start iirc so he shouldn't be in the convo

 

[OldTimeHockey]

I'm not really sure how ridiculous scramble play by a defence that leads to a goalie having to flop around is somehow the goalie's fault. I'd love some sort of count on how many times the Leafs gave away the puck within 10 feet of the blueline last night.

 

[Gary Nylund]

But positioning is directly affected by the factors I listed.
All goalies have off games even the best. Fact is Freddie usually has way more good ones than bad over a full season.
Also durability is a huge factor when thinking of a starter, which Freddie has shown he has.
Imo the bad Freddie is when the pucks leak through him. He's in position but it slips through his arm and body. That's the bad Freddie. When he scrambles, which is necessary at times, he is in good control and usually tracks the puck really well.
Compare him to the snow angel Reimer and you will see a huge difference.
If we could upgrade on Freddie we should. Can we upgrade on Freddie? I'm not seeing an obvious replacement.
If the team decides to part ways I'm hoping we get a platoon situation with Campbell and whoever they can land because again I don't see a proven #1 out there for the picking and despite the dislike in this thread, Fred is a proven #1 just by the shear numbers in his portfolio, starts, shots faced, sv%, wins etc

Great post!

The bolded is key IMO. Too many people just say Freddie's gotta go blah blah blah as if we'd be better off playing with an empty net. I'd love to have a better more consistent goalie but how and where are we supposed to get one? I think some people have forgotten how bad our goaltending was for many, many years before Freddie arrived. He's not perfect but he's a big upgrade on what we had for over a decade.

 

[acrobaticgoalie]

I
I and going by the save %age so far, Reimer is ahead of most of the top goalies, but it's early.

Reimer is not a starter. Hes a decent backup. Nothing more

 

[saltming]

Great post!

The bolded is key IMO. Too many people just say Freddie's gotta go blah blah blah as if we'd be better off playing with an empty net. I'd love to have a better more consistent goalie but how and where are we supposed to get one? I think some people have forgotten how bad our goaltending was for many, many years before Freddie arrived. He's not perfect but he's a big upgrade on what we had for over a decade.

It's the disposable world where you can replace anything with something better with a click.