Do you believe in Dubas?

[Jojalu]

I think that kind of illustrates my point though. At the time, a more than healthy raise for Hyman was considered to be 5AAV. We believed that Hyman would want to stay for a figure that was equal to or below that. We drafted him after all, it just seemed like there was no way he'd want to leave his drafted club....

Yet Zach made a personal decision to go to EDM instead, even though Toronto was rumored to have offered a healthy raise offer on an 8 year term. Is it possible that Zach was tired of the perpetual failures of his team?

Or was the extra 1-4 million over the 8 years the key differentiator?

Needless to say, Zach left for a reason that you and I never believed would happen. We both considered this homegrown product to be fiercely loyal. And under no circumstance would we have predicted he would leave TOR over a NMC or an extra 4 mill...etc.

He did.

you can think Auston has an unwavering loyalty to the Leafs, I really truly hope you throw this in my face in 2 off-season's time. I will welcome it. I just won't believe it until I see it.

The Leafs didn't draft Hyman. They traded for him from Florida

 

[notbias]

Yet Zach made a personal decision to go to EDM instead, even though Toronto was rumored to have offered a healthy raise offer on an 8 year term. Is it possible that Zach was tired of the perpetual failures of his team?

Why speculate on something clearly not true? He went to Edmonton, not Tampa

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

Some strange quotes in that article. Firstly, why does Hyman vault them into "true contender status"?

They have a GAA of 3.00 (bottom half of league), second worst SA/GP etc. Seems like a team relying on offence to cover mistakes. How has that fared historically en route to the Cup? Meanwhile the team Hyman left is 3rd in the league and 6th in the league in those categories (among others). Toronto's goaltending has them at the top of the league whereas I don't know if Edmonton yet knows who their goalie is? I suppose you could argue based on their offense being shut down in years past that it is more scoring they need but historically it's the D side you want.

"fretting – as the analytically inclined tend to — what Hyman might look like at the tail end of the deal."

This I just find a bizarre statement.

 

[pucksakes666]

You are given a core team of Rielly, Matthews, Marner and Nylander but were also given all of the assets of Gardiner, Kapanen, Johnsson, Kadri, Connor Brown, Freddie Andersen, Zach Hyman, Dermott, expiring contracts of Bozak, Komarov and JVR, 4 years of draft picks, a couple of negative assets in Marleau and Zaitsev. How difficult do you think it would be to have built a team capable of qualifying for the playoffs?

My answer: not challenging for the average NHL GM. It would have taken gross incompetence to turn that inheritance into a non-playoff team. I propose that a superior NHL GM would have created a team that had gone deep in the playoffs several times if not won a Stanley Cup.

Even with those prices from a couple years ago you are still missing a stud D man and a clutch goalie. Teams don’t give up for scraps.

 

[ToneDog]

Even with those prices from a couple years ago you are still missing a stud D man and a clutch goalie. Teams don’t give up for scraps.

Sure beats the deal Adams was handed in Buffalo. Love to see what Kyle would have done there with the mutiny he inherited and not being able to spend like a drunken sailor.

Pretty sure Kyle will admit that he was dealt a pretty good hand.

 

[justashadowof]

Even with those prices from a couple years ago you are still missing a stud D man and a clutch goalie. Teams don’t give up for scraps.

How inept do expect this hypothetical substitute GM to be?

 

[Gary Nylund]

Even with those prices from a couple years ago you are still missing a stud D man and a clutch goalie. Teams don’t give up for scraps.

Didn't PIT win the cup with Letang out and a patchwork defence? And didn't we get Campbell for scraps? Guy's looked pretty clutch from day 1 if you ask me.

Sure beats the deal Adams was handed in Buffalo. Love to see what Kyle would have done there with the mutiny he inherited and not being able to spend like a drunken sailor.

Pretty sure Kyle will admit that he was dealt a pretty good hand.

More than pretty good I'd say. In fact I'd say it was a whole lot more than pretty good. And yes, I have no doubt that Dubas would agree.

 

[justashadowof]

This post is hilarious but is pretty balanced at least, points out the good of letting Hyman and Andersen walk and the bad so far of Ritchie and Mrazek

It was kind of obvious that the Ritchie and Mrazek signings were the biggest gambles of the off season. A goalie had to be signed as insurance for next season and the Foligno/Hyman needed some sort of replacement. Neither were ideal options.

 

[justashadowof]

A bigger issue with the Mrazek and Ritchie contracts is the heavy back loading of both contracts. Whoever is the Leafs' GM next season has to lump it with both contracts next season or pay a premium to move the players, that is assuming if they are still not delivering the goods.

 

[Apex Predator]

It was kind of obvious that the Ritchie and Mrazek signings were the biggest gambles of the off season. A goalie had to be signed as insurance for next season and the Foligno/Hyman needed some sort of replacement. Neither were ideal options.

Meazek was always a risk but there’s time for him to turn it around. I thought the cap hit was always high but looking at the other goalies that off season leafs we’re going to pay a lot no matter who they got. Hopefully he comes back plays good and stays healthy for the rest of the season.

 

[zeke]

, that is assuming if they are still not delivering the goods.

Sure is!

 

[zeke]

Meazek was always a risk but I still think there’s time for him to turn it around.

You think?

 

[Apex Predator]

You think?

Let me edit my post and take out think. I was trying to write something different and edited my post ha ha

 

[justloveleafs]

I love kase,kampf and bunting... The three of them more than make up for the loss of Hyman..

I have seen two open ice hits from Ritchie, that I have not seen, from a Leaf since Brian Glennie..

He obtained Muzzin and the best goalie I have seen since Belfour..

Me liking Dubas..

And the team has soared since Dubas locked up Morgan Rielly.. I wonder if anyone has noticed that.

Plus he roasted and baked Sandin and Liljegren and he has them playing together.

So we have two czechs hanging, tons of swedes...

Ken Holland move over...

I am not as Cup focused as most here are.... I want a loveable team...

This team, is loveable..

 

[egd27]

Sure beats the deal Adams was handed in Buffalo. Love to see what Kyle would have done there with the mutiny he inherited and not being able to spend like a drunken sailor.

Pretty sure Kyle will admit that he was dealt a pretty good hand.

No, the 105 point team should have only been a 100 point team because of shoot out luck and he had one full year left on the $6.5M Marleau contract. It may have been the toughest situation any GM had ever walked into.

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

Sure beats the deal Adams was handed in Buffalo. Love to see what Kyle would have done there with the mutiny he inherited and not being able to spend like a drunken sailor.

Pretty sure Kyle will admit that he was dealt a pretty good hand.

Cool part is he dealt some of it to himself.

 

[zeke]

No, the 105 point team should have only been a 100 point team because of shoot out luck

98pt team.

and he had one full year left on the $6.5M Marleau contract. It may have been the toughest situation any GM had ever walked into.

No impact ELCs, no prospects, no capsapce, an imploding starting goalie and a bunch of anchor contracts. Much tougher situation than his predecessor was gifted.

 

[ACC1224]

No, the 105 point team should have only been a 100 point team because of shoot out luck and he had one full year left on the $6.5M Marleau contract. It may have been the toughest situation any GM had ever walked into.

Yep, poor muffin had a lot to overcome.

 

[deprw]

No, the 105 point team should have only been a 100 point team because of shoot out luck and he had one full year left on the $6.5M Marleau contract. It may have been the toughest situation any GM had ever walked into.

Matthews & Marner ELCs expiring on same off-season with one year left of Marleau contract was tricky sequence to manage. We couldn't wait until off-season to sign both Marner & Matthews and Marner refused to negotiate during season, which left Matthews to be handled first. We had the top end talent, which is hard to acquire, but with ELCs ending and three good seasons pumping up contracts. We had problems because our drafting under Hunter sucked and we lacked ELC talent.

Overall situation was good, but there were problems to be solved and those weren't easy problems to solve.

 

[notbias]

It was kind of obvious that the Ritchie and Mrazek signings were the biggest gambles of the off season. A goalie had to be signed as insurance for next season and the Foligno/Hyman needed some sort of replacement. Neither were ideal options.

Hyman's replacement isn't Ritchie.

Mrazek was a fine signing, his current issue is not a chronic one, as far as I know, his injuries have varied.

 

[Racer88]

No, the 105 point team should have only been a 100 point team because of shoot out luck and he had one full year left on the $6.5M Marleau contract. It may have been the toughest situation any GM had ever walked into.

I’m curious as to why you would call a 105 point team a 100 point team just because they won some games in a shootout. A shootout is part of the game just like overtime is part of the game.
Let’s say the score is tied in the 3rd and the one team is awarded a penalty shot and that turns out to be the winning goal should that not be considered a good win?

 

[zeke]

I’m curious as to why you would call a 105 point team a 100 point team just because they won some games in a shootout. A shootout is part of the game just like overtime is part of the game.
Let’s say the score is tied in the 3rd and the one team is awarded a penalty shot and that turns out to be the winning goal should that not be considered a good win?

at least a penalty shot is earned.

a shootout win point tells us nothing about the team or their play whatsoever. it's just a lottery point. might as well flip a coin.

 

[Dekes For Days]

It's gone up an average of about 2.8 M per year, so today it should be around $5.6 M higher.

Given the 2020-2021 cap projections that came out days before the pandemic shut everything down, and the new/increased sources of revenue the league added since, we'd probably be looking at an 88-90m cap right now, with another decent jump upcoming.

 

[egd27]

I’m curious as to why you would call a 105 point team a 100 point team just because they won some games in a shootout. A shootout is part of the game just like overtime is part of the game.
Let’s say the score is tied in the 3rd and the one team is awarded a penalty shot and that turns out to be the winning goal should that not be considered a good win?

Not my argument, just repeating what I have read from those that can't accept the franchise points record was achieved under the guidance of Lou and Babcock.

 

[PromisedLand]

Is it at all likely that a star player will leave one of the best teams in the league, or that the team will choose not to pay him?

team chooses to pay him at the expense of which positions on the team?

Not signing Marner and Matthews to 8 year deals given their AAVs is the biggest mistake he made as a GM that will haunt the franchise. Close 2nd is wasting Nylander's year signing him at the last moment.

Leafs have had ZERO playoff success under dubas' tutelage he does not deserve any benefit of the doubt