Do you believe in Dubas?

[4thline]

They were all UFA's at 25?
Other than Stamkos I don't recall any of the others becoming UFA's but I may have forgotton.

They all signed 5 year extensions out of their ELC, and had the opportunity to walk. Nash did as well.

 

[ACC1224]

Only if said team can't fit him a year early. At that point we're trading one year of Matthews, not Matthews' next long term contract. Value will still be biggish, and the absence of a bidding war shouldn't hurt it that much. We'll still be in a position to make use of that year, so they'll either pay for it or we keep him.

or he just waits and walks to said team.

 

[Apex Predator]

They were all UFA's at 25?
Other than Stamkos I don't recall any of the others becoming UFA's but I may have forgotton.

I think Crosby was actually. I think that point some are trying to make is nothing is a guarantee and we shouldn’t think he’s not going to walk. Happens in other sports all the time why wouldn’t it happen here.

 

[4thline]

or he just waits and walks to said team.

Why don't they want the extra season?

 

[ACC1224]

They all signed 5 year extensions out of their ELC, and had the opportunity to walk. Nash did as well.

at 25 they reached UFA? I don't recall that.
I don't even think Matthews will leave, just acknowledging it's possible.

 

[ACC1224]

Why don't they want the extra season?

Perhaps I misunderstood your post where you said they couldn't fit him in.

 

[Buds17]

you can't be serious right?

NYI missed the playoffs in his final season with the team though. I couldn't consider that "top tier".

 

[4thline]

at 25 they reached UFA? I don't recall that.
I don't even think Matthews will leave, just acknowledging it's possible.

They signed 5 year post ELC contracts just like Matthews did.

None reached UFA at 25, neither will Matthews.

 

[ACC1224]

They signed 5 year post ELC contracts just like Matthews did.

None reached UFA at 25, neither will Matthews.

How old will he be?

 

[4thline]

Perhaps I misunderstood your post where you said they couldn't fit him in.

If they can't fit him in the NMC hurts us. If they can they'll want him, and likely bad enough that they won't f*** around playing leverage games.

 

[Twine Tickler]

If he has a specific city he's looking to walk to as a UFA that will severely affect any possible return, IMO.

it will impact it for sure. I am not disputing that. But it won't make a deal impossible, nor will it mean we will walk away with peanuts.

All I am saying is, Auston would gain nothing going into the 2023-24 season with the Leafs if he already knew he wanted out the following year.

lets pretend he wanted to sign in Arizona. Every party wins with Auston being dealt in the summer of 2023. TOR pays his bonus for 2023-24, leaving only 775k in actual money for Arizona to pay for that 2023-24 season. Then the deal could also include a sign and trade 8th year extension for Arizona, or they could just wait until they acquired him to sign him to an 8 year deal.

essentially getting their home grown, generational player for 9 seasons at the cost of 8.

and that's pretending there was only 1 team Auston wanted to go to, which would be worst case scenario for potential return.

I'm not saying Arizona is going to be where Auston lands if he does in fact want to leave, I used them as the example for argument sake. So please no one tell me why Auston won't sign there, or why they wouldn't be able to sign him, it was just a placeholder.

Auston holds a lot of power. Which is why I said this was Kyle's biggest mistake as GM. We could easily lose the best Leaf of all time for absolutely nothing. Or at the very least not full market value. There is real potential of that. Which is frightening as a Leaf fan.

All we can do is hope Auston loves TOR as much as we love him. But no success over 7 post seasons, and the same dumb f***ing questions from Steve Simmons after every failure might be enough for him to want to look elsewhere

 

[Apex Predator]

NYI missed the playoffs in his final season with the team though. I couldn't consider that "top tier".

what about Zach Parise and Ryan Sutter?

 

[4thline]

How old will he be?

He'll play the 1st season of his new deal at 27

 

[ACC1224]

what about Zach Parise and Ryan Sutter?

Small market teams. There will be no proof, that's why the question was asked.

 

[Twine Tickler]

The whole thing is stupid. When has a player of Matthews age and stature had the opportunity to walk?

exactly.

He should have been signed to an 8 year deal. It was a mistake on Kyle's front 100%

It's a decision that could end up being extremely costly.

 

[ACC1224]

He'll play the 1st season of his new deal at 27

Thanks.

Did those others listed all have NMC's for the final year of their 5 year extensions?

 

[ACC1224]

exactly.

He should have been signed to an 8 year deal. It was a mistake on Kyle's front 100%

It's a decision that could end up being extremely costly.

Bigger mistake was not signing Marner first.

 

[Twine Tickler]

Idk if any GM would have signed Campbell, he was unproven at that point and could barely finish the season uninjured. You can’t really blame management for that.

totally agree.

This is completely hindsight logic. If Campbell were offered a 5 year deal in the offseason, there would have been just as many people freaking out about him being unproven and injury prone. We will still be able to sign Jack in the offseason, and we have yet to even bare the fruits of the Mrazek signing as well. Which will help dampen Jack's demands more than likely as he will no longer be the 80:20 majority shareholder of the cage when Petr comes back.

 

[4thline]

Thanks.

Did those others listed all have NMC's for the final year of their 5 year extensions?

All except Nash. And with the age of that contract he might have as well, pre-dates capfriendly (and public interest/reporting of contract minutiae) by a lot.

 

[Twine Tickler]

NYI missed the playoffs in his final season with the team though. I couldn't consider that "top tier".

I mean with all due respect, Missing the playoffs in your final year and getting bounced in the first round potentially 7 straight seasons seems about the same to me.

If there is no significant steps forward in the next 2 seasons, there is no chance IMO that Auston will want more of that

 

[ACC1224]

All except Nash. And with the age of that contract he might have as well, pre-dates capfriendly (and public interest/reporting of contract minutiae) by a lot.

Thanks for the info. Appreciate the reasonable responses.

 

[zeke]

you can't be serious right?

Exactly. It took his team being terrifically awful (from ownership to management to coaching to team) his entire decade there, including missing the playoffs his last two years and falling to bottom 5 his last year, to even consider leaving.

 

[57 Years No Cup]

you're pretty much a fan of every one of his moves and the one's your not a fan of you invent excuses to defend them

people like you join this forum and believe your duty bound to go from thread to thread attacking anyone who dares not cheerlead every move the team makes and battle with other fans to defend the honor of them team

the so called positive posters are actually the most negative posters on this board , they do nothing but shit on

- fans of other teams
- players on other teams
- everyone who doesn't blindly support the team
- refs/commentators/league officials/media when they feel they aren't 100% biased towards the Leafs

and the funny thing is they believe this makes them a positive poster . lol

Excellent post and 100% accurate.

 

[Twine Tickler]

Exactly. It took his team being terrifically awful (from ownership to management to coaching to team) his entire decade there, including missing the playoffs his last two years and falling to bottom 5 his last year, to even consider leaving.

If we get bounced in the first round for the next 2 playoffs, it would mean 7 straight first round exits. Entirely possible in our division.

To me, that is "terrifically awful" results that would warrant a player wanting a better situation.

I don't think I am reaching on that.

 

[Buds17]

what about Zach Parise and Ryan Sutter?

"Big market" could be subjective for any of the three teams involved, but those players did leave more competitive teams for a Wild team that missed the playoffs IIRC. Parise and Suter were interested in being teammates and Minnesota is Parise's home state. Two players as a package deal might make a difference here. The contracts they signed are also no longer permissible under the current CBA.

No guarantees with Matthews in any case, no doubt about that. The only factors that are really within Leaf control are being able to offer a competitive team and salary. We'll see what happens.