Do you believe in Dubas?

[deltamachine]

He finds guys like Bunting, Campbell. These are homeruns. He's creative and takes calculated risks - Kadri to land Kerfoot and Barrie...the potential upside to that trade was enormous with not much downside risk. Never had a problem with that one.

Tavares - how many would have been crying to fire Dubas if he took a pass on him - crying even harder while pointing out the hometown discount he was leaving on the table.

I fully believe in Dubas, he's iced a young, entertaining, skilled team that needed time to cook. It's up to the players to deliver.

 

[HamiltonNHL]

Tavares - how many would have been crying to fire Dubas if he took a pass on him

Lots of people, including myself weren't sold on accelerating the rebuild with UFA acquisitions.

Losing Hyman, a heart and soul player, on a soulless uninspired team, is another tragedy amongst our overpaid RFA group that doesn't care enough about winning to not fleece the rookie GM that signs contracts before results

Garbage. He has to go.

It's near impossible Dubas is here for Matthews last year.

Our Babcock replacement is going with him for sure.

 

[deltamachine]

Losing Hyman, a heart and soul player, on a soulless uninspired team, is another tragedy amongst our overpaid RFA group that doesn't care enough about winning to not fleece the rookie GM that signs contracts before results

Hyman for 2-3 mil sure....but for 5.5? I'll take a Bunting for under a mil.

 

[hotpaws]

He finds guys like Bunting, Campbell. These are homeruns. He's creative and takes calculated risks - Kadri to land Kerfoot and Barrie...the potential upside to that trade was enormous with not much downside risk. Never had a problem with that one.

Tavares - how many would have been crying to fire Dubas if he took a pass on him - crying even harder while pointing out the hometown discount he was leaving on the table.

I fully believe in Dubas, he's iced a young, entertaining, skilled team that needed time to cook. It's up to the players to deliver.

The amount of people crying had we not signed JT would have been the exact same amount that cried over us not signing Petro which were few to none and spare me the discount bs .

and you have the Kadri upside/downside reversed

 

[HamiltonNHL]

Hyman for 2-3 mil sure....but for 5.5? I'll take a Bunting for under a mil.

You have no choice, don't pretend you do

 

[Mess]

Dubas is improving and learning, and while he is still here that is all Leaf fans can ask.

It only took him 5-6 games to recognize his error of protecting Holl in the expansion draft and thinking that he and Muzzin made a great 2nd pairing shutdown pair on a Cup competitive team.

Ever since Holl has been banished to the pressbox and a healthy scratch the Leafs have been playing their best hockey of the season. Now he is apparently on the trade block as Leafs try and move on without him, but that just further exposes how protecting 4 dmen in expansion and how bad a decision that was on the GM's part.

Jared McCann the player they lost in expansion after trading future resources to acquire just to protect Holl, in 8 games has 3-4-7 points for the expansion Kraken and would look real good in Leafs top 6 right now as the player brought in Nick Ritchie has busted and already playing on the 4th line in a limited role after falling out of the top 6.

Do you believe in Dubas in to make the right decisions?

Leafs are finding ways to win, despite their GMs player personnel decisions, and now the player they exposed in the entry draft Dermott is playing in the top pairing beside Morgan Rielly, while the player they felt desperate to protect sits in the pressbox as a healthy scratch.

 

[Dekes For Days]

It only took him 5-6 games to recognize his error of protecting Holl in the expansion draft

Protecting Holl was not an error.

 

[PromisedLand]

Protecting Holl was not an error.

It was 100% a big fat error!

 

[bax]

Protecting Holl was not an error.

Genuinely curious as to why you think that now that Holl is spending all his time in the press box?

 

[Dekes For Days]

It was 100% a big fat error!

Except it wasn't at all. We all saw what even bottom-pairing defensemen were going for in UFA. We finally had a top defense, and a 6 foot 4 RHD, who worked well with our player and has shown an ability to handle tough matchup minutes, signed for 2 years at 2m, is worth more than the established value of McCann, which was a Hallander level prospect. Dubas would have been blasted if he went into the season prematurely relying on Sandin and Liljegren as starters in our top-6.

 

[HoweHullOrr]

I went with the MLSE (morons) option. I think we don't spend enough time looking at the very top of this org. Shanny made all of hiring decisions. He should not escape scrutiny.

 

[PromisedLand]

Except it wasn't at all. We all saw what even bottom-pairing defensemen were going for in UFA. A 6 foot 4 RHD, who worked well with our player and has shown an ability to handle tough matchup minutes, signed for 2 years at 2m, is worth more than the established value of McCann, which was a Hallander level prospect. Dubas would have been blasted if he went into the season prematurely relying on Sandin and Liljegren as starters in our top-6.

Holl's sample size can be easily broken down into

first half of the season in Canadian division and 2nd half of the season in the Canadian division.

He absolutely SUCKED in the second half including the playoffs especially when Muzzin got injured. Holl is not the kind of player you waste your protection sport but this GM did out of hubris beside other decisions

Holl also did not show anything meaningful for any length of time prior to last season to warrant a protection spot over McCann

 

[Dekes For Days]

He absolutely SUCKED in the second half including the playoffs

Except he didn't. Leafs were one of the best defensive teams in the league last season and playoffs, with Holl getting pretty heavy usage.

this GM did out of hubris

Had nothing to do with "hubris".

Holl also did not show anything meaningful for any length of time prior to last season

Actually, he played a pretty big role for us in most of 2019-2020 as well. And it's not like McCann had a huge sample.

 

[HoweHullOrr]

He finds guys like Bunting, Campbell. These are homeruns. He's creative and takes calculated risks - Kadri to land Kerfoot and Barrie...the potential upside to that trade was enormous with not much downside risk. Never had a problem with that one.

Tavares - how many would have been crying to fire Dubas if he took a pass on him - crying even harder while pointing out the hometown discount he was leaving on the table.

I fully believe in Dubas, he's iced a young, entertaining, skilled team that needed time to cook. It's up to the players to deliver.

Lots of people, including myself weren't sold on accelerating the rebuild with UFA acquisitions.

Losing Hyman, a heart and soul player, on a soulless uninspired team, is another tragedy amongst our overpaid RFA group that doesn't care enough about winning to not fleece the rookie GM that signs contracts before results

Garbage. He has to go.

It's near impossible Dubas is here for Matthews last year.

Our Babcock replacement is going with him for sure.

The amount of people crying had we not signed JT would have been the exact same amount that cried over us not signing Petro which were few to none and spare me the discount bs .

and you have the Kadri upside/downside reversed

Agree to the points above, particularly the bolded text.

Ya, I get tired of that "hometown" discount nonsense as well. If a move isn't addressing the biggest need, why do it, regardless of how much of a discount you are supposedly getting. Yeesh.

 

[Canadian Finn]

Dekes back eh.

I guess that makes sense.

 

[PromisedLand]

Except he didn't, at all.

oh yes he did. and on top of that dubas paid Ritchie a 2.5 AAV to play on the 4th line ; a guy that cannot skate in a modern fast paced hockey.

how the heck do you not even get tired defending dubas' decisions that have done nothing but be absolutely brutal for the Leafs. It is amazing that I see still see people defending dubas without any credible information. Where are the freakin' on-ice results? look at the cap situation, other BS that this organization has gone through under dubas (hiring and firing a racist the same day, throwing away drafts picks last TDL, montrela colours on CN tower, zamboni driver, becoming a JOKE in the NHL, etc...)

Dubas is a good dude the world will be a better place with more folks like Dubie on the planet for sure but as far as hockey executives or hockey foresight goes it has been nothing but abject failure.

How the heck do people defend dubas' hockey decisions till the end is beyond me

 

[HoweHullOrr]

Genuinely curious as to why you think that now that Holl is spending all his time in the press box?

Probably an "expected" something or other type stat. Gold Jerry, just gold.

 

[Mess]

It was 100% a big fat error!

Holl at $2 mil and Kerfoot at $3.5 mil = Zach Hyman at $5.5 mil

It would have taken so little effort on behalf of a real GM to dump a couple spare part players either/or to Seattle Kraken to start, to keep a glue player like Hyman. IMO

 

[HoweHullOrr]

He finds guys like Bunting, Campbell. These are homeruns. He's creative and takes calculated risks - Kadri to land Kerfoot and Barrie...the potential upside to that trade was enormous with not much downside risk. Never had a problem with that one.

Tavares - how many would have been crying to fire Dubas if he took a pass on him - crying even harder while pointing out the hometown discount he was leaving on the table.

I fully believe in Dubas, he's iced a young, entertaining, skilled team that needed time to cook. It's up to the players to deliver.

Huh?

Emphasis on that statement must be on the word "potential". In reality, based on what really happened, the trade was a big flop.

 

[PromisedLand]

Holl at $2 mil and Kerfoot at $3.5 mil = Zach Hyman at $5.5 mil

It would have taken so little effort on behalf of a real GM to dump a couple spare part players either/or to Seattle Kraken to start, to keep a glue player like Hyman. IMO

You can actually see the time Matthews' line is spending in the O-zone. Without Hyman that line is having a difficult time to sustain offensive zone time or get to the puck firs/win puck battles.

Here is hoping that line learns to live and play without Hyman and increases their intensity otherwise it ain't gonna be pretty!

 

[Dekes For Days]

oh yes he did.

Except he actually didn't. Even with a rough start to the season, Holl is worth more than a Hallander level prospect.

and on top of that dubas paid Ritchie a 2.5 AAV to play on the 4th line

Doubt he signed him to play on the 4th line. It's been a rough start for Ritchie, but it's also been just 11 games. Funny how Ritchie is focused in on, and not all of the other signings, that are looking quite good.

how the heck do you not even get tired defending dubas' decisions that have done nothing but be absolutely brutal for the Leafs.

I don't defend "Dubas decisions". I defend logical, rational decisions against emotional reactions to specifically selected information in small sample sizes, twisted to be as negative as possible. Most of Dubas' decisions are reasonable, and have helped the Leafs.

look at the cap situation, other BS that this organization has gone through under dubas (hiring and firing a racist the same day, throwing away drafts picks last TDL, montrela colours on CN tower, zamboni driver, becoming a JOKE in the NHL, etc...)

Our cap has been handled very well, despite the most difficult situation any Leaf GM has ever had to deal with.
Not sure what you find wrong about firing a racist.
We didn't throw away draft picks last deadline. We added to our team with rentals, as is common practice with a team in our position.
CN tower has literally nothing to do with the Leafs or Dubas.
We lost to a Carolina team (2 years ago) playing an amazing 3rd period with a lead, not a zamboni driver, who was actually our long-time practice goalie, posting an 0.800 SV%.
We're not a joke at all.
These complaints are all your own creation; not based in fact.

 

[Havoc]

Holl at $2 mil and Kerfoot at $3.5 mil = Zach Hyman at $5.5 mil

It would have taken so little effort on behalf of a real GM to dump a couple spare part players either/or to Seattle Kraken to start, to keep a glue player like Hyman. IMO

This is why I never touch Marner unless the return is amazing. We'll be making these exact statements "x + y + z = 11 mil would have been easy to get rid of these guys and just roll with Marner instead".

 

[justloveleafs]

Dubas has made some good moves and some really bad ones... Getting Campbell and Muzzin for nothing, was genius...

Trading my favourite prospect, after Lilly, for a bag of pucks, was horrible...That would be Mason Marchment... Who has six points in eight games...

That really irks me to this day.

losing McCann was brutal as well....Brutal..

Signing pie head Ritchie, a clone of Gauthier, was also brutal...

Signing Marner for anything over 8 million, was ridiculous...Guy is an rfa, let him go to the khl for the rest of his career you idiot...

But we have to remind ourselves, its not purely hockey any more it never really was, its the business of hockey....

Obviously from a branding aspect, Dubas was ordered from above to sign the three stars, no matter what, don't let them sit out...

I really think he has to get Shanahan to sign off on anything semi major...All the time...

Shanahan yes, should be far more in our sight lines for a sniper shot..

And why did Shanahan go with the greenhorn cause the greenhorn, like my former best friend, Gord Stellick would do as he was asked, however reluctant to do so..

 

[PromisedLand]

we fired a racist?

Brendan Shanahan announces Dusty Imoo will not join Marlies as goalie coach

I'll give dubas and co. credit for rectifying their mistake the same day though but still.... doesn't look good.

In the same breath I will give credit to Dubas and co. (including Keefe) for scratching Holl when he isn't playing well instead of keeping him in the line up to justify their decision to protect him. But that decision to protect him was 100% a big fat error

 

[ULF_55]

Brendan Shanahan announces Dusty Imoo will not join Marlies as goalie coach

I'll give dubas and co. credit for rectifying their mistake the same day though but still.... doesn't look good.

In the same breath I will give credit to Dubas and co. (including Keefe) for scratching Holl when he isn't playing well instead of keeping him in the line up to justify their decision to protect him. But that decision to protect him was 100% a big fat error

Butterfly.
Protect Holl.
Liljegren 2020-21 NHL ice time.