Do the Oilers miss the playoffs again...
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You know there's a lot of talk about the wingers but the real deal breaker will be the blue line and consistency from Talbot.
PumpkinBombX
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I put them at 70% to make it. Vegas has the line had them at 91 points, which is 2 points out of the playoffs. That would basically be 55% chance they don't finish in.
The thing is, most of the public money has taken them under. Most of the time the public is wrong.
Also the easiest bet in sports right now is McDavid to win the Ross. The line has even been increasing. It's weirder to me, since you can hedge these pretty easily.
The thing is, most of the public money has taken them under. Most of the time the public is wrong.
Also the easiest bet in sports right now is McDavid to win the Ross. The line has even been increasing. It's weirder to me, since you can hedge these pretty easily.
Erndog
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Knights added Pacioretty and Stastny.... lost Neal and Perron.
Are they ahead? probably yeah, but that's quite a turnover when you think of it.
Edit: As for the Oilers, I'd put them at 55/45 with the slight edge towards making it.
Right, right. the Edmonton Oilers are chock full of high end talent, and great depth.
but are a dumpster fire anyway.
Not one of those that I bolded would even make the Leafs.
Voodoo Child
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And even then, I think Pac and Stastny are an upgrade.
They've also got kids like Brannstrom and Glass knocking at the door, just as good prospects as Yamamoto and Puljujarvi.
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I honestly hope we suck and they fire Chia. Not really but I mean sacrificing him wouldn't be so bad
CantHaveTkachev
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you're the one who said they weren't NHLers...now you're moving the goalposts..
of course they wouldn't....no wonder the Leafs have won so many playoffs series the past few years lol
their defense isn't very good...especially with Schmidt and Theodore not in the lineup...unless Engelland has another career season...or McNabb....or Miller...
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EdmFlyersfan
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3 (Rattie, Lucic & Reider) of the top 4 wingers on the Oilers are 3rd (Lucic) or 4th (Rieder & Rattie) liners on most clubs; that lineup is brutal...
They’re one of those teams that is just mediocre/borderline enough that they’ll essentially make it or miss it by the performance of their goalies. The huge variation on the last two years for Talbot just reinforces that. In that way I don’t see them as all that different from the Hurricanes. I expect their special teams numbers to normalize a bit at least.
With all that said, pretty hard to miss when you have the best player in the league capable of putting up 120+ points himself. They managed to do it though.
With all that said, pretty hard to miss when you have the best player in the league capable of putting up 120+ points himself. They managed to do it though.
I think they'll have more points than they probably should, because their schedule is the best in the league this year in terms of rest days and playing teams that are on the second game of a back-to-back. This is similar to two years ago when they made the playoffs, and then last year their schedule was the exact opposite.
Not sure they make the playoffs, though. The potential is there but so many things need to go right.
Not sure they make the playoffs, though. The potential is there but so many things need to go right.
they aren't.
Tobias Reider - would't have ever played a full season if he wasn't playing for Arizona.
ty Rattie - journeyman NHLer with a career high of 14 games. He's never played more than 13 games in a season for anyone other than the Oilers. Most definitely not NHL material.
Khaira - serves no purpose.
Caggiula - undersized player that scores 20 points in a season. He wouldn't make another NHL team.
Brodziak - averages 20 points a season. Sure, make him your 13th forward if you want and use him on the PK.
Aberg - 24 years old, traded for Mark Letestu (LOL), hasn't fully cracked an NHL roster.
Upshall - going on 35, on his very last legs, hasnt' cracked 20 points in his last 4 seasons. should probably just hang up the skates.
Chiasson - not even sure what to tell you. We saw Senators fans get excited about him, they changed their tune quickly. SENATORS FANS TURNED THEIR NOSES UP AT HIM. Have you seen their team? He's completely useless.
I think they're confused. They claim they have lots of depth? That doesn't mean you have tonnes of 4th liners and marginal NHLers (or guys that wouldn't be in the NHL in other organizations). It means you have a depth of talent, and normally means you have players playing further DOWN the lineup than they would be elsewhere.
Rattie, Lucic, Reider on your top lines is a pretty clear indication you have no depth. Absolutely zero.
I mean, sure, the Oilers can replace their 2nd, 3rd, and 4th lines with piles of players in the organization, and not miss a beat. But that's because the players they'd be replacing are terrible. Not because they have so many good options.
ManofSteel55
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They did it two years ago when everyone was playing well. If their long list of underachievers from last season (Talbot, Lucic, Klefbom, etc) bounce back and their young kids (Pulujarvi especially) take a step forward they can absolutely get back to being a good team. The real question is, was last year the outlier for this version of the Oilers, was two years an outlier, or is it somewhere in the middle.
You might be our enemy, but an ally when it comes to uneducated comments from the east.
This is pretty much bang on. Obviously I am an Oiler fan, but I have them between 88-100 points. Too many variables to predict a certain outcome.
ManofSteel55
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Reider has been a professional NHL player for 4 seasons now
Khaira showed to be a quality depth player last year.
Rattie could be a late bloomer. Could be a case of a guy who just meshes with McDavid. Or he could end up back in the AHL.
Cagguila has NHL skill but hasn't shown NHL consistency. You are right, he is a work in progress here.
Brodziak is a quality 4th line C, and that is how he will be used. 20 points for a 4th liner is good.
Aberg I am not impressed with either. You are right about him, he is fodder to me.
Upshall is a 4th liner who kills penalties. You're right that he is almost done, but how many fourth liners/penalty killing specialists score more than 20 points?
Chiasson is probably just camp filler. I don't expect him to make the team.
Every team has some guys pushing for NHL spots. Not all of these guys will make the team, some will be cut, some will be sent down, and 4 or 5 of them on your list have in fact been quality NHL players in the past year or two, so how you can say they are not NHL players is just ridiculous and incorrect. For those that aren't - Aberg, Cagguila, Chiasson - if they don't earn a spot, proving that they are good enough to be in the NHL this year - they won't be there.
If guys like Khaira or Reider are depth on some of the worst teams in the league, where do you think they end up on a decent team? Injury callups, wouldn't you say?
i honestly don't think these guys make other teams.
so really, your disagreements lie in the veteran 4th liners, that were basically signed to kill penalties. When they're 35 years old, you have to be careful, it's fully possible you get into the season, and they're just not able to play anymore.
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