Do Avs still trade Rantanen if they know he ends up in Dallas?

[Bruce Granville]

If Avs wouldn't go to $12 million I think they're gonna regret it when they're paying Necas at least $10 million and Rantanen is ripping it up on a divisional opponent.

10 million would have been the ask before. Now the cap rises and he fits into Avs‘ style and he has one more year to score like Rantanen nd he is younger…
He will ask for 12 million, Avs will offer 9.5.

 

[Conspiracy Theorist]

Dallas' and Colorado's rivalry just intensified even more. Im sure the Avs fans will boo Rantanen mercifully.

They shouldn't. He didn't ask to be traded.

 

[Conspiracy Theorist]

Nah I think Dallas is on par with the avs.

Makar and MacKinnon are better than anyone on Dallas, but I think Dallas has a deeper team and good players at every position.

I don't remember the last time Heiskanen lost to Makar. Hopefully he will be back this season for playoffs.

 

[Oilslick941611]

I think the obvious answer is we need to see how plays in Dallas first. If hes the carolina Mikko, I can't see the Av's thinking anything other than "we dodged a bullet". If he returns to form, its something they might regret, but probably not much. hey chose to get rid of him knowing he could have ended anywhere.

 

[Hasbro]

 

[hockeydog23]

They'd probably do a lot of things differently if they could see into the future like this, as would every other team.

I think it was the Erik Karlsson trade from Ottawa to San Jose that had conditions attached to it requiring the Sharks to pay an extra draft pick if they went on to trade him back into the east, which is no longer allowed. Don't quote me on the exact details of that, though.

Not the same. Karlsson played many seasons in San Jose and didn’t face his old team in round C 1 of the playoffs months after he was traded.

 

[hockeydog23]

They certainly know they're a weaker team than 2022 though.

That 2022 team was arguably the best salary cap era champion… being weaker than them isn’t saying much.

 

[BobRossColton]

I'll take the cap room that allows us to re-sign Makar.

 

[hockeydog23]

The Avs filled out depth at every position, replaced mikko with Necas who has out produced him, and have the best defense man in the world and leading scorer in the league. Maybe you’re underestimating the avalanche because they look scary. You guys beat us with Georgiev. This is not the same team

You forgot to add that they beat us when the leading playoffs goal scorer went on a mid series ski trip. Hopefully Avs have someone on payroll who’s sole job is to shadow that Russian maniac.

 

[Starry Knight]

I feel like Colorado's depth has taken a hit in recent years and getting Necas and Drury is boon to their lineup. When you're being forced to dress plugs like Riley Tufte, downgrading from Rantanen to Necas is tolerable because you're upgrading a different lineup slot from Tufte to Drury.

Dallas has really strong forward depth and, more than anything, needed a star player that can be relied upon for offence (especially in the playoffs).

I think Carolina was in a similar situation to Dallas, but couldn't negotiate an extension with Rantanen. All things considered, they got great value too. Stankoven, in my view, has Brad Marchand upside, plus the haul of picks is great too. I'm sure they would have preferred more of a hockey trade considering they're in a playoff spot, but that's extremely difficult to pull off at the eleventh hour on trade deadline day. More of a summer trade.

 

[hockeydog23]

Haha, very true. And good for you!

Still though I'm just so mad at the number. I know taxes come into play but GOD. I was expecting like $13.5 or $13.75.

$12M?!?! That's $0.6 / yr less than MacKinnon and the cap is going up tremendously. I'm so sad and mad at our front office. I just wish we could've made it work.

you gotta let it go. Mikko chose to try to maximize his value over compete for Stanley cups with his friends. Mac left millions on the table to give the Avs an edge. Don’t think it would have gone over well if Mikko, riding his coattails, came in and made more. Mikko didn’t want to make the same sacrifice so the team could build depth and so the Avs moved on. Mac and Makar going to be super motivated when they face him and Duchene and Dallas.

 

[Goulet17]

Saw a post say the difference between pay with Texas having no income tax vs what Colorado offered him is 4.2mil over the 8 year term. That's pretty massive.

Is it massive when you are making $100 million roughly either way? It depends on the person and perspective, but you have created generational wealth for yourself and your family either way. Does the extra $4.2 million matter that much when you have grossed $150 ++ million over the course of your career. Sometimes being in a location and situation that you enjoy has a value as well. I am not saying that Rantanen won't be happy in Dallas, but if squeezing every possible cent out of these megadeals was that important, we would never see professional athletes sign in places like New York, California, Illinois, or Ontario.

It may matter to the agent more often than the player. For the agent, maximizing every cent may have more importance.

 

[Stickpucker]

If Rantanen looks like the guy Carolina got in Dallas it would be like Colorado sending a Trojan horse to your rival.

 

[hockeydog23]

If Avs and Stars face each other in the playoffs, it's going to make for an interesting storyline. \

And I hope Avs and Canes fans don't boo Rantanen. They should be giving him a standing ovation with a nice video tribute.

I’m sure the canes will put something really heartfelt together for Mikko to memorialize his time there…

 

[GeeoffBrown]

Thinking long term, Necas will probably come in at a cheaper AAV on an extension

 

[Super Hans]

Rantanen will end their season just like Duchene did last year. Next year, Landeskog will finally return in Game 7, reveal a Dallas sweater under his Avs one, score the game winner and then cut a promo on the Avs medical staff.

 

[hockeydog23]

I don't remember the last time Heiskanen lost to Makar. Hopefully he will be back this season for playoffs.

That’s because it’s never happened in the playoffs! Dallas beat the Avs and their third string goalie in 7 in 2020, and in six last year. The stars strategically bowed out early in 2022 playoffs to avoid playing the Avs and keep Miros perfect record against Makar intact…

 

[hockeydog23]

Rantanen will end their season just like Duchene did last year. Next year, Landeskog will finally return in Game 7, reveal a Dallas sweater under his Avs one, score the game winner and then cut a promo on the Avs medical staff.

Don’t forget the stars also planted Nichushkin on the Avs to give them the facade of hope, but really to pull the carpet out from under them with his “sleep issues” come playoff time. Well played Jim Nill, well played.

 

[wetcoast]

Original trade had to be tough even with MR playing in the Eastern Conference. To have him end up (apparently long term) on a divisional rival is a real crotch punch.

With hindsight do the Avs just pay up for MR?

Respectfully this is a silly question.

The trade they made at the time was one they were comfortable with, and they won that trade IMO and they had no control what happened afterwards so why would they second guess themselves, it's futile and HF Boards members can do that for them.

 

[benfranklin]

Yes. Considering the return they got for him for current players vs futures, 100%.

Ideally he just signed an extension for $12x8 when the Avs offered it, but that was his or his agents mishap.

 

[benfranklin]

Don’t forget the stars also planted Nichushkin on the Avs to give them the facade of hope, but really to pull the carpet out from under them with his “sleep issues” come playoff time. Well played Jim Nill, well played.

Id believe the sleeper agent theory if he didnt already help win a Cup. Bring on #2 for this core. Muahhhahaha

Keep the cocaine away please.

 

[Beukeboom Fan]

Respectfully this is a silly question.

The trade they made at the time was one they were comfortable with, and they won that trade IMO and they had no control what happened afterwards so why would they second guess themselves, it's futile and HF Boards members can do that for them.

Obviously a completely hypothetical question because the Avs don't have the benefit of hindsight.

IMO, when the Cane's trade for MR that is only done if Tlusty is confident that they'll be able to extend MR. Obviously that didn't happen, but it's especially tough when MR ends up on a divisional rival for less $ than the reported Avs offer.

 

[wetcoast]

Obviously a completely hypothetical question because the Avs don't have the benefit of hindsight.

IMO, when the Cane's trade for MR that is only done if Tlusty is confident that they'll be able to extend MR. Obviously that didn't happen, but it's especially tough when MR ends up on a divisional rival for less $ than the reported Avs offer.

At the end of the day it doesn't matter, if the Avs offered Rantanen the same deal and he didn't accept it they were right in the deal they made if they were afraid of losing him for nothing and like I said they won that trade on trade day IMO.

I say this as someone who thinks Rantanen is a better player than Necas.

But Necas has an extra year on his contract, they also got a serviceable player in Drury and also got a 2nd and 4th in the deal.

 

[lionsDen]

Original trade had to be tough even with MR playing in the Eastern Conference. To have him end up (apparently long term) on a divisional rival is a real crotch punch.

With hindsight do the Avs just pay up for MR?

I don’t think Colorado thinks that way they think whatever they can do to make themselves better and let the chips fall where they will.

 

[lionsDen]

Obviously a completely hypothetical question because the Avs don't have the benefit of hindsight.

IMO, when the Cane's trade for MR that is only done if Tlusty is confident that they'll be able to extend MR. Obviously that didn't happen, but it's especially tough when MR ends up on a divisional rival for less $ than the reported Avs offer.

Not to nitpick Colorado offered between 11.25-11.75 Dallas offered more plus the whole tax thing