Do all 3 Hughes brothers go 1st overall in their respective re-drafts?

[ninetyeight]

Quinn has the best competition, but he's also the best of the three. I think with Luke it's between him and Guenther. But it's very early and things can change quickly. But some of these takes are comical, Moser????? He's like THREE years older than Luke.

Edvinsson, Power, maybe? It's hard to say when their teams are doing bad, but Power's defensive metrics don't impress. Johnston? Maybe last year, but unless he picks it back up this year he shouldn't be in the conversation. Right now he's pacing for similar production that Luke had at his rookie year as a defenceman.

 

[bobholly39]

Jack and Quinn unquestionably #1. Quinn may have some strong competition in his year, but doesn't mean he doesn't still stand out as the clear #1 in the group.

Luke? No idea. As others have said, it's too early to tell. Maybe?

 

[sensfan4lifee]

Edvinsson is 7 months older than Luke lmao. He's also not a rookie.

Giving Edvinsson credit for being unable to crack an NHL roster until like a year and a half older is wild.

"better defensively".
Except luke gives up significantly less expected goals than any of the other dmen (and creates significantly more offensively
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Disagree.

Maybe early in the year when he was playing it safe, but he's been better offensively for the last month +.

Detroit takes there time with prospects thats why Edvinson took this long, also yes Edvinson will be a better player than Luke Hughes whom I actually like, but I feel like Edvinson will be a big two way beast on D.

To illustrate the age gap between Luke last year and Edvinsson this year.

Simon Edvinsson is 21 years and 10 months old.

At this time last year Luke Hughes was 20 years and 3 months old.

That is a 19 month age gap.


For comparison, the age gap between Edvinsson and Jack Hughes (23 years 7 months) is 21 months.

Luke Hughes was better than Edvinsson 2 years ago
Luke Hughes was better than Edvinsson last year
Luke Hughes is better than Edvinsson now.

And he's 7 months younger than him. Edvinsson taking longer to crack the show is not a point in his favour

Once again Detroit takes there time with prospects

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Giants like Edvinsson nearly always take longer to develop. That's not unusual at all and was expected when he was drafted.


On the other hand he's playing those situations because he's really good defensively. I mean his entire useage is focused on the defensive side - meaning defending the lead in 5v6 situations might actually be one of his most favorable offensive situations - crazy isn't it? Meanwhile, Hughes gets heavier deployment in the o-zone, on the PP, with better surroundings and easier matchups the other 99% of hockey games but that's apparently not relevant.

Should we just add in PP goal differential while we're at it?

 

[dgibb10]

Giants like Edvinsson nearly always take longer to develop. That's not unusual at all and was expected when he was drafted.


On the other hand he's playing those situations because he's really good defensively. I mean his entire useage is focused on the defensive side - meaning defending the lead in 5v6 situations might actually be one of his most favorable offensive situations - crazy isn't it? Meanwhile, Hughes gets heavier deployment in the o-zone, on the PP, with better surroundings and easier matchups the other 99% of hockey games but that's apparently not relevant.

Who gets heavier deployment in the ozone?

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Sure, but you need to get in that position first. And conversely if you don't want to include EN goals then you probably also shouldn't include other goals scored with goalie pulled etc. As long as it doesn't get convoluted I don't mind.

That's why you look at 5v5

Hughes was dead last among Devils defensemen in on-ice EV goal differential still less than a month ago, that's also a part of the story together with the recent improvement. Now he's tied 6th out of 9.

Since November 12 (his last 16) he's +5 or tied second in team and 27th in the league among defensemen. Not bad, but Moser and Zellweger are ahead. Over the whole season Moser is the leader among these guys (+11 or tied 17th in the league). Leaving him out as overager there's Clarke (+6) ahead of Edvinsson and Zellweger (both +5). Among forwards Guenther is +13 and the clear leader overall.

Against Detroit they've played twice this season, both teams won one, Hughes 0+2=2 ±0 and Edvinsson 0+1=1 +2. Not sure that decided it for either one.

You can't be serious with this...

 

[dgibb10]

That's why you look at 5v5


You can't be serious with this...

Evolving Hockey EV metrics are also good because they don't include empty net situations. So they'll include 4 on 4 or 3 on 3.


+/- and tired narratives about Luke's defense that weren't even true last year, let alone this year

 

[Rowlet]

Give dahlin two 100 pt forwards and an actual team and he puts up similar production as Quinn.

Hughes is leading the Canucks in scoring, the 2nd highest is 58th in league scoring.

They're 100pt fwds because of Hughes

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

Surefire proof that you haven't watched him play this season.

Apparently nobody here has, because you're about the only one batshit crazy enough to think he belongs in any conversation for 1st overall in a redraft.