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I don't think they're aerodynamic. He should get them pinned to have better speed on the ice.
Confirmed with Link: DJ Smith fired, Jacques Martin in as interim, Alfie as assistant
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It's only this long of a process because DJ messed them up so bad. If we kept DJ, this process would start next September instead and 24-25 would be a write-off.
4 months of Jacques is going to give the upcoming coach something to work with. Can't see the results yet but I'm positive they'll come.
On a simple 2 on 2 rush last night, Chych was on the right side wobbling all over the place in two minds. The fact that he's fighting instinct means something is clicking in his head from the new coaching.
4 months of Jacques is going to give the upcoming coach something to work with. Can't see the results yet but I'm positive they'll come.
On a simple 2 on 2 rush last night, Chych was on the right side wobbling all over the place in two minds. The fact that he's fighting instinct means something is clicking in his head from the new coaching.
DJ clearly played a significant role in motivating players and he seemed to draw on that in his coaching style. It was never going to lead to long term success because it was entirely based on volatile emotions whereas long term success needs structure and an ability to draw on that instead of emotions for motivation.
It basically left them unable to cope with big swings in game momentum because too much of their game was based around it.
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Wow Jacques Martin’s moustache in your avatar is dirty. I know in Rockland he gets it done at the Police station and they do a great job.
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re read my post…. I mentioned Berube, not DJS??
J Martin has been with Ottawa since December the 6th, and has had enough time to see what needs to be fixed,,and now he’s the Head Coach and is doing worse than DJS, did anyone want That?
a .273P% is unacceptable…and our rookie GM who indicated we expected J Martin to play out the season,,before being replaced,,better change his plan,,and bring in Berube, or anyone else….J Martin is not working!
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.273 win percentage is brutal. But I don’t understand the reasoning to go back to DJ Smith who showed us nothing but how to make excuses and pamper 20 year olds who show nothing but skill
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It’s ridiculous to think a new Head coach (hired in the off season) is going to build on whatever J Martin does, if kept for the rest of the season…..A new head coach is going to inherit a team that did not make the playoffs and he will bring in his system,,and hire his assistants…. we‘re wasting time, J Martin has made things worse than what DJS was doing…. In 11 games, 6 points, for a .273 P% record….again, worse than DJS…….the rookie GM needs to bring in a new Head Coach asap, armed with a two or three year contract….and get the substitute teach back up to his consulting position
Holy crap, no one is saying going back to DJS…. How, many times have I mentioned Berube?
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Teams wouldn't elect children to be their captains, and yet it's not unusual for a 20 something to be chosen. Theyre men, regardless of how old that makes you feel to admit it lol
You also don't need to be in your 30s to realize maybe you should listen to a guy who's been in your business for 90% of your life. That kind of attitude is fostered when you've grown up so far with little to no discipline or accountability.
The more guidance the better from vets, that goes without saying.
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What would change if Berube came in aside that a supposed long term coach would be going through this painful process instead of an interim?
Like this team is so far f***ed in how they play and their mentality no magic coach is coming in and fixing it.
Martin as a short term let's them instill the basics for the next coach. Not to mention snuff out the problem players before the longer term coach.
If Berube was here now it would just be him getting destroyed by these players. Nice productive way to start a new coaches reign huh?
I understand the point you're making but if that's the case, trade every single one of them
This is the kind of thing that's complete bullshit
Chychrun has played 422 games in the NHL. He's had Tippett, Tocchet and Touring as coaches in Arizona with half his career under Tocchet who some here regard as some kind of genius coach. His Senators career is 49 games, 11 under Martin.
Do you really believe that playing 38 games under DJ Smith somehow deleted everything that Chychrun has learned about hockey? That his instinct for the game was completely wiped out?
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when a New Head coach is brought in to a NHL, it is because the previous Head Coach was not working out, and changes needed to be made.
J Martin has come back to the Senators, beginning on Dec 6th, and has seen more than enough to know what needs changing, to his style of play…supposedly to improve the team…… now he has been Head coach, and every aspect of the team is worse, they’re playing at a .273 P% pace….
yes, he is an interim, and the players know he will be replaced, and the New Head Coach, Berube or whomever will bring in their system, not keep whatever J Martin wanted…. So why waste everyone’s time, we can all see that J Martin is worse than DJS, or the players are just waiting for the substitute teacher to leave, and start fresh with whomever (Berube) is the permanent replacement for DJS….. our Rookie GM needs to get things going here, there is no reason to wait until the off-season, as his plan was with DJS, and now with J Martin.
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no, just one of Chabot, or Norris… someone with a comfortable long term contract, should be traded to acquire cap space, ideally a RS Dman… but doubt there is one available…. But mostly to shake up the remaining core members.
Chabot can be traded to anyone this season, but he has a M-NTC that comes into effect this July…so if he is the one to be traded, perhaps it’s the right time now
j Martin is just rearranging the chairs on the Titanic, and the ship is going down faster than when DJS was in charge, time for the rookie GM to step up and get everyone’s attention …make a major trade, and bring in Berube or someone else who will be the Head Coach, and not a substitute teacher that the player know will be gone sooner or later…
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Yes and no. Have you seen what's happened to Sanderson? He's gotten to used to playing in this style and it's completely messed him up too. He comes into the NHL as a world beater and within 13 months he's worse than how he started. Same with Chabot.
They're not all of a sudden a bunch of low iq brain-dead morons. Something has changed in their heads. They're too used to playing with freedom and without consequence that they're not playing NHL level hockey.
It's confirmation when goalies, who have played behind hundreds of dmen, under many coaches in different systems all have their career worst numbers here.
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Well, I won't push back because it would imply that you're not seeing what you think you're seeing. If that's what you see, that's fine and we'll just disagree on that part.
To the bolded, all I can say is that different expectations create more flexibility in the capacity of the coaching staff to really send messages. DJ's directive was to win games, which means letting your best players get you there. Martin's directive is to teach and try to install a different mentality. Those are things that are not in sync with each other. You can't say to DJ "go out and win games, making the playoffs is what matters most" and then also expect him to invert his lineup because the best players have been most frequently at fault for repeating the same kinds of costly mistakes. That's something DJ used to do in the early going, which made people upset (kinda funny to look back on it now) when he would lean on the vets in certain situations while the young guys got acclimated to in-game situations and the variance of an NHL season. He no longer had that luxury. And funny enough it's something I touched on early in the season when people were saying he should bench guys who kept making the same mistakes and I would respond by saying he's being asked to win games and whether people like it or not he can't win games with the bottom part of the roster. Even if they play the "right" way. He didn't have the luxury of being a teaching coach anymore, he had performance expectations and the only bottom line was wins and losses.
But here we are now and the mentality of the fans has completely flipped because the season is over. This is why I'm so critical of Staios. The capacity to do something meaningful came and went while he stood by and didn't act. These things were evident early in the season to people like us who don't have professional experience evaluating hockey. It's completely incomprehensible how someone who's supposed to be overseeing all hockey related matters for this team couldn't see the same thing. And, even worse, the coaching change has done nothing but make it even harder for the fans to watch. At least if the team was playing more competitively and showing progress in different areas, the fans would still be inclined to watch with anticipation of the longer term vision. Now we're in a state of complete dismay and there's literally no silver lining on the horizon except the offseason hiring of a new coaching staff.
We're 3-8 under Martin/Alfie. Would letting DJ go 10 games earlier have changed anything? When was it that he could have done something meaningful?
Except not a computer. Management and the assessors needed to know what the players were made of. Better to find that out during a lost season than at the start of next season
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Early November or, at the latest, before the Sweden trip. There was so much time off built in around that trip. After the TB game on Nov. 4th, they had lost 5 of 6. From that point, to the end of November, they had 7 games in 26 days. They played 4 days after the Tampa game in Toronto. Would have been enough time that month to get a new coaching staff in place and take advantage of a light schedule to get practice time in, work on clearing their mental blocks and get things back on track, having only played 10 games up to that point.
Don't know why you let a coach lose 5 of 6 in the earliest part of the season and continue letting them coach another 16 games before you fire them in the middle of a road trip, with the heaviest part of the schedule in front of them.
Indecisiveness, inaction, incompetence.
MAJOR: Patrick Roy's next destination is said to be known, and he has already received two offers that he has declined
One might think that he hasn't received any offers and teams are still hesitant to commit to him, but that's completely false
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