Confirmed with Link: DJ Smith fired, Jacques Martin in as interim, Alfie as assistant

[bert]

Again you totally missed my point…. But I understand you need to score brownie points.

My point is that it is obvious that JM is not the coach we wish he was, and someone like Berube needs to come in now….NOT in the off season…. And you pretty much made my point with Tocchet…thinking you were racking up your desired brownie points…. Good job!

See it's not obvious thats the thing. You simply don't seem to grasp the type of change this team has to go through won't happen immediately.

I don't need 'brownie points' to illustrate how utterly lost you are. If you listen to Jaques he is trying to instill the right changes. Holding the defenisve blue line. More back pressure, consistent play. Making sacrifices. He's certainly coaching it some guys aren't getting it or don't want to. Hence my point about how you're hockey illiterate. What you are doing right now is what you have done for years. Trying to find any angle you can to try and suggest previous ownership and management was not the issue. Which again brings me back to you not understanding how you are actually undermining your own points. DJ has instilled such terrible habits that it's going to take way longer than 10 games to break them.

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

See it's not obvious thats the thing. You simply don't seem to grasp the type of change this team has to go through won't happen immediately.

I don't need 'brownie points' to illustrate how utterly lost you are. If you listen to Jaques he is trying to instill the right changes. Holding the defenisve blue line. More back pressure, consistent play. Making sacrifices. He's certainly coaching it some guys aren't getting it or don't want to. Hence my point about how you're hockey illiterate. What you are doing right now is what you have done for years. Trying to find any angle you can to try and suggest previous ownership and management was not the issue. Which again brings me back to you not understanding how you are actually undermining your own points. DJ has instilled such terrible habits that it's going to take way longer than 10 games to break them.

J Martin has been in Ottawa since December 6th…..he has three wins and Eight losses as interim HC of the Senators….. there are better opinions right now (Berube) than J Martin, who the players know will be gone as head coach sooner of later….

The bad habits you bitched and complained about under DJS are getting worse…..and no one is being held accountable…..J Martin is only a substitute teachers, and carries little or no weight…..our Rookie GM better replace him asap…. Sorry that you can’t see this….. it’s like your house is on fire, and you’re using your garden hose and when the fire department comes in to take over, they take your garden hose and start a bucket brigade, and drops every bucket before they can fling the water on the fire

J Martin has the Sens playing at a .273 P%​

 

[umma gumma]

I blame it all on our trip to Sweden. Just like the last time we went.

 

[branch]

So it wasn't DJ after all?

The problem obviously was his boss

 

[BankStreetParade]

Do you think Jacques Martin is making them lose faceoffs or something?

I didn't say Jacques Martin is making them do anything. I'm rightfully wondering what the f*** it is that is going on that every single metric has decreased from a range of slightly to dramatically. Even 1000+ game vets like Giroux are suddenly winning faceoffs 10pts lower than they have before the coaching change. I'm not blaming Martin. I'm not even expecting wins. I'm just asking the question of how are things getting better if there's no improvement in a single area of the game? Would you agree that it's unusual for a coaching change to result in far, far, far worse results than the one you fired? You think at some point within the first month they'd be showing signs of improvement at something? I don't think it's an unreasonable ask to say "hey, show us some improvement somewhere" when you replace the old coach with a defense-first coach and all of the defensive metrics fall off a cliff.

Their game has to be torn down and rebuilt without the bad habits. It's going to take a lot of time because these guys are either very stubborn at keeping their padded stats, or are low hockey IQ guys that need a lot of time to learn. Or both.

Either way, it's going to be like this for awhile before things click.

Ok but I've pointed out specific examples of areas where things have fallen off. How much time is reasonable to show any amount of improvement in one single area? If you hire a defense first coach, do you think it's reasonable to expect any amount of improvement in key defensive metrics? Like, if the PK was 2% better than it was under DJ, wouldn't you feel like things are moving in the right direction?

I just don't understand this bad habits thing. From 2019-20 to 2022-23, our PK was 79% and ranked T15 in the league over that time. We were in the same grouping as Vegas, Minnesota, New Jersey and Winnipeg, organizations pretty well known for good defensive schemes. Our PK under Martin is 68.6%. So they had a vastly better PK because of bad habits than they do now? I just don't understand what that actually means. This isn't pointing the finger at Martin but my brain can't comprehend how bad habits resulted in a vastly better PK than under a defense-first coach.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Well no matter what, you'd have to be insane to believe DJ should have stayed, so what difference does it make. The season was lost when Martin took over, so more or less losses don't really change much in the immediate term. He needs to break his horses down and restart this thing after years of bad habits. That can't be easy.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

The Dorion/DJ truthers are cringe.

 

[Bileur]

Well no matter what, you'd have to be insane to believe DJ should have stayed, so what difference does it make. The season was lost when Martin took over, so more or less losses don't really change much in the immediate term. He needs to break his horses down and restart this thing after years of bad habits. That can't be easy.

It’s not even about Dorion or DJ anymore, it’s about trying to save face.

 

[swiftwin]

DJ was in charge of them for 5 years. How did they get to this point? Was his job to prevent it.

How is it DJ's job to prevent Jacques Martin from making the team worse?

The team improved every year under DJ since 2020.

The Dorion/DJ truthers are cringe.

Cope & seethe

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

How is it DJ's job to prevent Jacques Martin from making the team worse?

The team improved every year under DJ since 2020.


Cope & seethe

What else is there do but cope with the fact that Dorion and DJ destroyed this team.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

How is it DJ's job to prevent Jacques Martin from making the team worse?

The team improved every year under DJ since 2020.


Cope & seethe

We were bad right before Jacques took over. We’re bad right after AND the management team has identified the culture and player buy in as an issue. So… I mean I guess it’s nature vs nurture. But some of this is the nurturing that DJ smith gave these guys

 

[Joeyjoejoe]

Friedman: "I will be very surprised if they rush this coaching hire without a full process. They know that its something that they cannot get wrong."

 

[milkbag]

How is it DJ's job to prevent Jacques Martin from making the team worse?

The team improved every year under DJ since 2020.


Cope & seethe

DJ lead us to 6th in the Atlantic, then 7th, then 6th and then 7th. So no he didn't improve us, he helped us tread water and remain the exact same for 5 years straight. Basement dwellers.

You can look solely at points total and beat your chest like you're right (like you usually do when you cherry pick info), but that doesn't change the fact that DJ is and was pretty much just a camp counselor pushing mediocrity and lack of discipline. Sounds like you're the one huffing copium because your senpais are gone, big guy.

 

[Tuna99]

J Martin has been in Ottawa since December 6th…..he has three wins and Eight losses as interim HC of the Senators….. there are better opinions right now (Berube) than J Martin, who the players know will be gone as head coach sooner of later….

The bad habits you bitched and complained about under DJS are getting worse…..and no one is being held accountable…..J Martin is only a substitute teachers, and carries little or no weight…..our Rookie GM better replace him asap…. Sorry that you can’t see this….. it’s like your house is on fire, and you’re using your garden hose and when the fire department comes in to take over, they take your garden hose and start a bucket brigade, and drops every bucket before they can fling the water on the fire

J Martin has the Sens playing at a .273 P%​

So you’d prefer a bottom 5 team under DJ where the coach and players are happy being a bottom 5 team and just trying to win pond hockey games off of our talent?

I’m happy the players are miserable - they should be.

 

[Crosside]

Yesterday Michel Bergeron said a good comment. This team have be built to play offense. Let the kids to be creative and win games 6-4 , 7-5 kinda like that or do a rebuild because this core would never change his style

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

Yesterday Michel Bergeron said a good comment. This team have be built to play offense. Let the kids to be creative and win games 6-4 , 7-5 kinda like that or do a rebuild because this core would never change his style

Trade the core then.

 

[swiftwin]

So you’d prefer a bottom 5 team under DJ where the coach and players are happy being a bottom 5 team and just trying to win pond hockey games off of our talent?

I’m happy the players are miserable - they should be.

We've been a bottom 5 team only once with DJ as our head coach, his first season in 2019-20 where the team was full-on tanking. Since then, the team improved every season.

 

[Tuna99]

Friedman: "I will be very surprised if they rush this coaching hire without a full process. They know that its something that they cannot get wrong."

Andlauer checking in with Joe Rogan to see who he should hire as Head Coach and what type of ice bath he should buy

 

[BondraTime]

Yesterday Michel Bergeron said a good comment. This team have be built to play offense. Let the kids to be creative and win games 6-4 , 7-5 kinda like that or do a rebuild because this core would never change his style

The first is a terrible bit of advice, at least a mini rebuild point has merit

 

[swiftwin]

DJ lead us to 6th in the Atlantic, then 7th, then 6th and then 7th. So no he didn't improve us, he helped us tread water and remain the exact same for 5 years straight. Basement dwellers.

You can look solely at points total and beat your chest like you're right (like you usually do when you cherry pick info), but that doesn't change the fact that DJ is and was pretty much just a camp counselor pushing mediocrity and lack of discipline. Sounds like you're the one huffing copium because your senpais are gone, big guy.

My stance was that I wanted DJ replaced at the end of the season unless he "lost the room". Jacques Martin is a semi-retired substitute teacher at this point. I don't know about you, but when I was in grade school, I didn't learn anything when we had a 70+ year old substitute teach.

 

[Tuna99]

We've been a bottom 5 team only once with DJ as our head coach, his first season in 2019-20 where the team was full-on tanking.

My eyes tell me they have sucked since Dj got here. His post game press conferences proved it and the fact this players have shown zero ability to play defensive hockey makes you think he wasn’t doing a good job as coach in the 5 years he was here

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

My stance was that I wanted DJ replaced at the end of the season unless he "lost the room". Jacques Martin is a semi-retired substitute teacher at this point. I don't know about you, but when I was in grade school, but I didn't learn anything when we had a 70+ year old substitute teach.

Grade School. Now I get it. Its about Grade School. Explains everything about the way you post now. We have a pro hockey team with pro players and the age of the coach should not matter because the level of maturity of the players can reasonably be expected to be greater than grade school. A couple may be reacting like they are still in grade school but that is not on the coach or the age of the coach.

The substitute teacher thing is another characterization that would come from a grade schooler.

 

[Tuna99]

My stance was that I wanted DJ replaced at the end of the season unless he "lost the room". Jacques Martin is a semi-retired substitute teacher at this point. I don't know about you, but when I was in grade school, but I didn't learn anything when we had a 70+ year old substitute teach.

i see Jacques Martin more as a Yoda character, the wise prophet who helps you discover your true talent. He certainly has the ears for it

 

[swiftwin]

Grade School. Now I get it. Its about Grade School. Explains everything about the way you post now. We have a pro hockey team with pro players and the age of the coach should not matter because the level of maturity of the players can reasonably be expected to be greater than grade school. A couple may be reacting like they are still in grade school but that is not on the coach or the age of the coach.

The substitute teacher thing is another characterization that would come from a grade schooler.

Sigh... I was extending an analogy where the person I was quoting was referring to DJ as a camp counsellor.

Are you extending your "grade schooler" insult to @milkbag too, or are you only directing that insult at me because you're upset that I was right and you were wrong?

 

[milkbag]

My stance was that I wanted DJ replaced at the end of the season unless he "lost the room". Jacques Martin is a semi-retired substitute teacher at this point. I don't know about you, but when I was in grade school, I didn't learn anything when we had a 70+ year old substitute teach.

Yeah except these are grown ass men who should have the sense to listen when a 1300 game vet tells them wtf is up. The fact they're being compared to school children is just another indictment of the culture DJ helped foster over the past half decade.