Confirmed with Link: DJ Smith fired, Jacques Martin in as interim, Alfie as assistant

[BankStreetParade]

The thing about available good coaches is everyone of them was fired from their last job for not getting desired results

I'm not disagreeing with you per se, their just isn't a perfect model though. I looked this up last week. I think 5 of the last 10 cup winners were coached coaching on their first NHL HC gig.

I don't think that's true. In the last 10 years, only Cooper and Bednar were "first time" coaches and they both had 5+ years of head coaching before they won the cup. If you're looking at the last 10 Cup winners (without counting any of the teams that won multiple cups), you'd have to go back to 2009 to get to Dan Bylsma. So there's only 3 that I can count in the last 15 years.

 

[JD1]

I don't think that's true. In the last 10 years, only Cooper and Bednar were "first time" coaches and they both had 5+ years of head coaching before they won the cup. If you're looking at the last 10 Cup winners (without counting any of the teams that won multiple cups), you'd have to go back to 2009 to get to Dan Bylsma. So there's only 3 that I can count in the last 15 years.

You forgot Mike Sullivan

My point is guys that got their first shot have won 5 of 10 or whatever the number is. It's actually 5 of 8.

The 2 guys you mentioned plus Sullivan

 

[LevelingSolo]

Another one from the Hamilton Bulldogs. Was assistant in Boston last year and was with the Isles in the four years prior.

What a joke,

The fact the leading candidate is another rookie head coach with no experience who also happens to be from the Leafs organization is laughable

 

[Sun God Nika]

What a joke,

The fact the leading candidate is another rookie head coach with no experience who also happens to be from the Leafs organization is laughable

but he won a championship in the OHL.... oh wait.

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

I am not defending anyone, I just understand the sport. I cant help it if you are hockey illiterate. It takes more than 10 games to change these types of habits. You appear you would rather just argue that something worked that clearly did not just for the sake of it.

Staios took over this mess....... IN PRESEASON who are all these coachs available mid season? They are instilling new systems and accountability. Doesnt happen over night. VAncouver had half a year of Tocchet last year. You cant even cherry pick your points properly. f***in sad.

Again you totally missed my point…. But I understand you need to score brownie points.

My point is that it is obvious that JM is not the coach we wish he was, and someone like Berube needs to come in now….NOT in the off season…. And you pretty much made my point with Tocchet…thinking you were racking up your desired brownie points…. Good job!

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

The recent play is not Jacques' fault. He is pushing these players who have never really been pushed before. There's going to be some ugly moments after being pushed for the first time, especially when the group is mentally weak. They will either eventually mature as professionals and learn how much dedication is required of them to be successful, or they will get left behind and the team will move them for players that do have what it takes.

The NHL is a results oriented league, 3 wins in ten games is terrible…. He cannot handle the requirements of a Head Coach, needed in todays NHL

 

[dpw]

Team was better under DJ with all the injuries then Jacques/Alfie healthy lineup.

 

[milkbag]

Team was better under DJ with all the injuries then Jacques/Alfie healthy lineup.

Yeah because the players are being pouty crybabies because their favorite camp counselor was let go

 

[Icelevel]

Hopefully this helps DJ get another job sooner than later. I’ll be interested to see how he does with a different team.

 

[BankStreetParade]

You forgot Mike Sullivan

My point is guys that got their first shot have won 5 of 10 or whatever the number is. It's actually 5 of 8.

The 2 guys you mentioned plus Sullivan

Sullivan coached the Boston Bruins from 2003-2006.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

Hopefully this helps DJ get another job sooner than later. I’ll be interested to see how he does with a different team.

Agreed.

He wasn't getting the job done and Martin was ok taking the interim job so I'm not disappointed with what we did but I remain unconvinced he was the problem, the roster is.

I hope DJ gets another chance, he seems like a great guy.

 

[Mark Stones Spleen]

I'd love for another team to give DJ a chance as a HC. Hopefully a divisional rival. One less team to worry about making the playoffs.

Jacques is well respected in the league. Everyone has heard his comments on the team at 5 years of DJ. Dude isn't getting another HC job in the NHL for a long time. He'll either be an AHL head coach or an assistant in the NHL, but nobody's risking the destruction of their own good players for Smith.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Team was better under DJ with all the injuries then Jacques/Alfie healthy lineup.

Well, they weren't going anywhere with him either anyways, and the season was essentially lost once Martin took over anyways, if you're being realistic, so it doesn't change much either way.

God I hope they don't go with Gruden. Please not another rookie coach.

 

[JD1]

Sullivan coached the Boston Bruins from 2003-2006.

You're right. He did. Had to look that up.

But with a 10 year gap between HC coaching gigs, he's kinda like a first timer. It'd be the equivalent of some team giving the Walrus another shot

 

[JD1]

I'd love for another team to give DJ a chance as a HC. Hopefully a divisional rival. One less team to worry about making the playoffs.

Jacques is well respected in the league. Everyone has heard his comments on the team at 5 years of DJ. Dude isn't getting another HC job in the NHL for a long time. He'll either be an AHL head coach or an assistant in the NHL, but nobody's risking the destruction of their own good players for Smith.

The advanced analytics under DJ this season and last were actually decent. Far better than the W/L record

When a new guy comes in, throwing the old regime under the bus gets pretty stale in a hurry if the new regime is delivering worse results

I'm not making the point to defend DJ. But I am highlighting that if the results don't improve, commentary from the new regime about the old regime may well be interpreted as nothing more than out of touch old man beyond his best before date

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

I'd love for another team to give DJ a chance as a HC. Hopefully a divisional rival. One less team to worry about making the playoffs.

Jacques is well respected in the league. Everyone has heard his comments on the team at 5 years of DJ. Dude isn't getting another HC job in the NHL for a long time. He'll either be an AHL head coach or an assistant in the NHL, but nobody's risking the destruction of their own good players for Smith.

funny thing is that there are enough ex-Sens players on other teams for the real word to get out on how DJ is as a coach and what the real problems were for the Ottawa Senators team.

Time will tell.

 

[Mark Stones Spleen]

The advanced analytics under DJ this season and last were actually decent. Far better than the W/L record

When a new guy comes in, throwing the old regime under the bus gets pretty stale in a hurry if the new regime is delivering worse results

I'm not making the point to defend DJ. But I am highlighting that if the results don't improve, commentary from the new regime about the old regime may well be interpreted as nothing more than out of touch old man beyond his best before date

5 on 5 GD being bottom 5 for his whole tenure speaks enough to DJs lack of credentials, whether we were spending below the cap with a single .6ppg player leading our team or at the cap ceiling with 6 guys over .6ppg.

That same new guy was defending DJ before officially taking over. He's been an NHL coach for almost 40 years and he's never been so explicit about a team's lack of awareness and effort in their own zone. We've had a huge reshuffle of players in this team in the past 5 years and the one consistent is that nobody knows how to play D. Are you going to blame the 50 players we've had or is it more likely there's someone in a position of authority who has facilitated and rewarded this type of play.

It becomes even more obvious when those players leave us and they somehow become professional NHLers again.

 

[HF Reader]

The NHL is a results oriented league, 3 wins in ten games is terrible…. He can handle the requirements of a Head Coach, needed in todays NHL

In a different post you say that the message from JM is falling on deaf ears. If the players are deaf then no coach will make them hear.

Why do you think the problem is that JM can't handle the requirements of HC needed in today's NHL? (I assume you meant "can't" rather than "can" in your post). Which requirements specifically is he unable to handle?

 

[scallionjj11]

but he won a championship in the OHL.... oh wait.

Ottawa should hire Jordan Peterson!

 

[Burrowsaurus]

one Jack Adams, one runner up jack adams..3 season above 0.500

All that wiped out by 1 season?

Holly cow!!! man what a brutal world.

That’s sports. Unless your DJ you get half a decade of bad finishes.

 

[Sun God Nika]

Ottawa should hire Jordan Peterson!

jesus ur miserable.

 

[BankStreetParade]

You're right. He did. Had to look that up.

But with a 10 year gap between HC coaching gigs, he's kinda like a first timer. It'd be the equivalent of some team giving the Walrus another shot

So did we fire DJ and appoint a first time head coach as interim? I'm not sure I'm fully following the logic of the statement.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

funny thing is that there are enough ex-Sens players on other teams for the real word to get out on how DJ is as a coach and what the real problems were for the Ottawa Senators team.

Time will tell.

Lots of hockey people , ex players, respected reporters / insiders have come out and supported Jacques Martin and what he preaches as a coach as a positive benefit for the Sens. I have not heard or read that he is past his best before date other than right here on HFSens lol. DJ was/is a players coach . Players will tend to speak highly of him. He had that rep when he was hired here and judging from Brady and Stus reactions we can assume that hasn't changed.

The team needs some practice time. There are obviously a lot of things this coaching staff want to work on to change the way they play without the puck and they want to demand more responsible play with the puck. Its a work in progress. I think once we see our top line players buy in and give it 100% we will see better results .. I don't think they are there yet.

 

[Micklebot]

So did we fire DJ and appoint a first time head coach as interim? I'm not sure I'm fully following the logic of the statement.

Nevermind, for some reason I read MaClean not DJ....

I do think there's a difference between Sullivan having two seasons a decade earlier and Martin having 17 years experience as a head coach.