Confirmed with Link: DJ Smith fired, Jacques Martin in as interim, Alfie as assistant

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Sounds like Smith is pointing to goaltending letting then down.

Mentioned the sens don't allow a lot of high danger chances and talked about their expected goals against was ranked 10 in the league and that those 10 teams made the playoffs last year.

Brings up injuries, too
 
Martin may or may not get this team turned around and it could be due to differing reasons but its a breathe of fresh air that he is able to identify several areas where they need to improve and has a game plan to adjust.

 
I don't think DJ actually understands why the team keeps losing.

Most Sens fans thought this team would compete for the playoffs this season. We thought they could get past their mental weakness and and propensity for backbreaking mistakes.

It's no simple fix for this group. They appear to have the talent and work ethic, but can't apply it consistently in a way that gets results. A mismatched roster that has been unable to forge an identity.
 
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The Toronto Blue Jays first rose to the upper echelon of MLB in 1985.. They had young players.. then 4-5 seasons of missed opportunity.

In 1991, house cleaning. Many of their stars were shipped out in trades. The new batch that came in, Carter, Alomar, etc. flourished. 2 world series followed.

I wonder if the "kids aren't alright".. and a BlueJays makeover is needed.

The Florida Panthers did that last year..... Hubbie, Weager out
Vancouver has been doing that the last 2 years... Horvat out, others out.
Boston a while back with Joe Thornton out
Edmonton with the Pre McDavid picks all jettisoned
Even the Leafs jettisoned many pre Mathews players

Hard to know..
 
Most Sens fans thought this team would compete for the playoffs this season. We thought they could get past their mental weakness and and propensity for backbreaking mistakes.

It's no simple fix for this group. They appear to have the talent and work ethic, but can't apply it consistently in a way that gets results. A mismatched roster that has been unable to forge an identity.
Senators have some talented young players no doubt, but it's so hard to tell how they stack up against the other top teams in the league. There's just been so many things that have gotten in the way, we don't have much to go on when it comes to this.
 
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...I wonder if the "kids aren't alright".. and a BlueJays makeover is needed.

The Florida Panthers did that last year..... Hubbie, Weager out NO CHAMPIONSHIP
Vancouver has been doing that the last 2 years... Horvat out, others out. NO CHAMPIONSHIP
Boston a while back with Joe Thornton out
Edmonton with the Pre McDavid picks all jettisoned NO CHAMPIONSHIP
Even the Leafs jettisoned many pre Mathews players NO CHAMPIONSHIP

Hard to know..
It's not a recipe that works, apparently.
 
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It's not a recipe that works, apparently.
yes, but in all instances regular season success. Here (Ottawa) has been bottom 10 finishes!

I get the formula.. Pittsburg, Chicago, Tampa (and to a lesser extent Colorado).. but across all leagues and over time, there has also been failed rebuilds... Buffalo, Detroit, NJ, Toronto (pre Mathews), Edmonton (Pre McDavid).

Like I wrote, it is hard to know. We will only know once the era is over. I don't envy Andlauer/Staios who have to make the hard call.
 
The Toronto Blue Jays first rose to the upper echelon of MLB in 1985.. They had young players.. then 4-5 seasons of missed opportunity.

In 1991, house cleaning. Many of their stars were shipped out in trades. The new batch that came in, Carter, Alomar, etc. flourished. 2 world series followed.

I wonder if the "kids aren't alright".. and a BlueJays makeover is needed.

The Florida Panthers did that last year..... Hubbie, Weager out
Vancouver has been doing that the last 2 years... Horvat out, others out.
Boston a while back with Joe Thornton out
Edmonton with the Pre McDavid picks all jettisoned
Even the Leafs jettisoned many pre Mathews players

Hard to know..
They also shipped out a young Taylor Hall.
 
Senators have some talented young players no doubt, but it's so hard to tell how they stack up against the other top teams in the league. There's just been so many things that have gotten in the way, we don't have much to go on when it comes to this.
This team's confidence has been destroyed. There's no swagger, there's no mental fortitude, there's no resilience. Some of it comes from the real core players being so young, some of it comes from the repetition of losing, some of it comes from really bad breaks and tough bounces, some of it comes from self-inflicted wounds, some of it comes from horrific goaltending.

I've been talking about their body language since the end of October. They're fed up and frustrated beyond belief because things just aren't going their way. And some of it can be a "you make your own destiny" kind of thing but some of it is just out of their hands: the Pinto suspension, Norris missing an entire year and not being at training camp, the Chabot injury, the goaltending woes, etc.

Look at how they react after the goalies let in a back-breaking goal. There's no tap to the pads and a "we've got you buddy, we'll get that one back". It's sheer dismay at how some of these goals continue to go in. If I played on a team, professional or not, where 1 position continually let us down, I'd find it hard to just shake it off and play. It has to be impacting them. Every shot, from anywhere on the ice, in any situation, at any time of the game can go in. How the f*** do you relax and play your game? I'm not saying it absolves them of their dogshit play but there's an intense psychological impact to it constantly happening, game in and game out. And, again, all you have to do is look at their body language.

Watch the clip of the 3rd Arizona goal last night, an absolutely brutal goal to give up by Korpisalo. Watch the player reactions after the puck goes in, it's like beyond belief what they're seeing. The dejected looks, the sagging body language, the "here we go again" vibe. We can say anything we want about what the problems are but everything starts from the net out. And the volume of unbelievably ridiculous goals that have been scored against them has broken them mentally.
 
This team's confidence has been destroyed. There's no swagger, there's no mental fortitude, there's no resilience. Some of it comes from the real core players being so young, some of it comes from the repetition of losing, some of it comes from really bad breaks and tough bounces, some of it comes from self-inflicted wounds, some of it comes from horrific goaltending.

I've been talking about their body language since the end of October. They're fed up and frustrated beyond belief because things just aren't going their way. And some of it can be a "you make your own destiny" kind of thing but some of it is just out of their hands: the Pinto suspension, Norris missing an entire year and not being at training camp, the Chabot injury, the goaltending woes, etc.

Look at how they react after the goalies let in a back-breaking goal. There's no tap to the pads and a "we've got you buddy, we'll get that one back". It's sheer dismay at how some of these goals continue to go in. If I played on a team, professional or not, where 1 position continually let us down, I'd find it hard to just shake it off and play. It has to be impacting them. Every shot, from anywhere on the ice, in any situation, at any time of the game can go in. How the f*** do you relax and play your game? I'm not saying it absolves them of their dogshit play but there's an intense psychological impact to it constantly happening, game in and game out. And, again, all you have to do is look at their body language.

Watch the clip of the 3rd Arizona goal last night, an absolutely brutal goal to give up by Korpisalo. Watch the player reactions after the puck goes in, it's like beyond belief what they're seeing. The dejected looks, the sagging body language, the "here we go again" vibe. We can say anything we want about what the problems are but everything starts from the net out. And the volume of unbelievably ridiculous goals that have been scored against them has broken them mentally.
OK, after reading the first two paragraphs, I wasn't sure where you were going. But, the 3rd & 4th paragraphs make it clear. I think there's lots to fix on this team including goaltending. But, even with better goaltending, I'd still really wonder how this team would do compared to the upper echelons teams. There's a bunch of things imho that need to get fixed if we want to be a contender (versus just squeaking into the playoffs), but I'm not eager to get into a debate about it.
 
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This team's confidence has been destroyed. There's no swagger, there's no mental fortitude, there's no resilience. Some of it comes from the real core players being so young, some of it comes from the repetition of losing, some of it comes from really bad breaks and tough bounces, some of it comes from self-inflicted wounds, some of it comes from horrific goaltending.

I've been talking about their body language since the end of October. They're fed up and frustrated beyond belief because things just aren't going their way. And some of it can be a "you make your own destiny" kind of thing but some of it is just out of their hands: the Pinto suspension, Norris missing an entire year and not being at training camp, the Chabot injury, the goaltending woes, etc.

Look at how they react after the goalies let in a back-breaking goal. There's no tap to the pads and a "we've got you buddy, we'll get that one back". It's sheer dismay at how some of these goals continue to go in. If I played on a team, professional or not, where 1 position continually let us down, I'd find it hard to just shake it off and play. It has to be impacting them. Every shot, from anywhere on the ice, in any situation, at any time of the game can go in. How the f*** do you relax and play your game? I'm not saying it absolves them of their dogshit play but there's an intense psychological impact to it constantly happening, game in and game out. And, again, all you have to do is look at their body language.

Watch the clip of the 3rd Arizona goal last night, an absolutely brutal goal to give up by Korpisalo. Watch the player reactions after the puck goes in, it's like beyond belief what they're seeing. The dejected looks, the sagging body language, the "here we go again" vibe. We can say anything we want about what the problems are but everything starts from the net out. And the volume of unbelievably ridiculous goals that have been scored against them has broken them mentally.

The goaltending has certainly not been any good at all, and is one of the main things that needs to be fixed.

But even before the 2nd and 3rd goals, the ice tilted and the Coyotes were dominating. The Coyotes. Not Vegas. Not Colorado. Arizona!

As soon as another team raises their intensity level, this team can't keep up. They run around, they cheat, and they get dummied.

Part of it is mental, part of it is laziness, part of it is them just not being as good as people thought they were. I think some of their stats are a mirage.

Is Brady Tkachuk a PPG player if he can't cheat for odd-man rushes and wait for breakouts outside his blueline? Probably not.

But is he willing to be a 65-70pt guy who commits to defense and winning? We'll see.
 
I can't fault Korpisalo last night. He let in one terrible goal but the others he had no chance on. He was a wall through two periods, giving them a great chance to win the game.

I am usually very critical of the goaltending, but last night, Korpisalo might've been our best player. The rest of the team looked like trash. 38-22 in shots...I hate to say it but they are one of the softest teams in the league.

I know none of you will agree with me, but this has never been about coaching. The team on the ice is just not good enough. The upside, is that we have a real shot at a top 3 pick this June! Can't wait.
 
Senators have some talented young players no doubt, but it's so hard to tell how they stack up against the other top teams in the league. There's just been so many things that have gotten in the way, we don't have much to go on when it comes to this.

Very difficult team to evaluate. They looked like they were taking a step in the second half of last season when they had no pressure.

Have regressed this year when expectations mounted.

Will be interesting to see how the players progress over the remainder of this season. Really hope they start to build a strong identity and some consistency.
 

That’s for sure the scariest thing these players have heard in a long time

Martin may or may not get this team turned around and it could be due to differing reasons but its a breathe of fresh air that he is able to identify several areas where they need to improve and has a game plan to adjust.


It’s a breath of fresh air that the look on his face is “these guys suck and I may actually kill a few of them”
 
The goaltending has certainly not been any good at all, and is one of the main things that needs to be fixed.

But even before the 2nd and 3rd goals, the ice tilted and the Coyotes were dominating. The Coyotes. Not Vegas. Not Colorado. Arizona!

As soon as another team raises their intensity level, this team can't keep up. They run around, they cheat, and they get dummied.

Part of it is mental, part of it is laziness, part of it is them just not being as good as people thought they were. I think some of their stats are a mirage.

Is Brady Tkachuk a PPG player if he can't cheat for odd-man rushes and wait for breakouts outside his blueline? Probably not.

But is he willing to be a 65-70pt guy who commits to defense and winning? We'll see.
Good teams can hit rough patches in games. Happens all the time but it doesn't mean your goalie has to give up a bad goal. Anyway, the problems run deeper than bad goaltending. I'm just saying the bad goaltending is amplifying the mental block these guys have right now. Regardless of what system or structure or whatever they have, the deflating, back-breaking goals at the worst times of the game can't allow the players to just go out and play. If you knew that a goal could go in at anytime from anywhere on the ice, surely it would impact the way you play. Right?

Like, if the goalies were getting beat by great plays and great shots you could say they need to tighten this up or tighten that up. There would be identifiable areas to work on. I can't remember the last game I watched where one of the commentators didn't say "boy, I bet Forsberg/Korpisalo would like to have that one back!" And that's almost impossible to play in front of. I don't know how they do it or when but it needs to start in nets. The team is too mentally fragile right now for these goals.
 
Good teams can hit rough patches in games. Happens all the time but it doesn't mean your goalie has to give up a bad goal. Anyway, the problems run deeper than bad goaltending. I'm just saying the bad goaltending is amplifying the mental block these guys have right now. Regardless of what system or structure or whatever they have, the deflating, back-breaking goals at the worst times of the game can't allow the players to just go out and play. If you knew that a goal could go in at anytime from anywhere on the ice, surely it would impact the way you play. Right?

Like, if the goalies were getting beat by great plays and great shots you could say they need to tighten this up or tighten that up. There would be identifiable areas to work on. I can't remember the last game I watched where one of the commentators didn't say "boy, I bet Forsberg/Korpisalo would like to have that one back!" And that's almost impossible to play in front of. I don't know how they do it or when but it needs to start in nets. The team is too mentally fragile right now for these goals.

I don't disagree with the bad goals.

But the collapse yesterday didn't start after Korpisalo let in the stinker. It started well before. So it's not like he let in a bad one and that reeled the team and they couldn't recover. They collapsed while he was still standing on his head.
 
I don't disagree with the bad goals.

But the collapse yesterday didn't start after Korpisalo let in the stinker. It started well before. So it's not like he let in a bad one and that reeled the team and they couldn't recover. They collapsed while he was still standing on his head.
They seemed to run out of gas about 1/2-2/3rds of the way through the 2nd. We have seen it before .. So I don't know what to attribute it to. They just don't seem to be able to sustain their intensity ; to get better as the game goes on. Korpisalo was very good up to that 3rd goal and was fine after that.. what's he going to do on the one off Hamonic's skate.

Jacgues has a lot of work .. Its going back to fundamentals with most of these young players that do not seem to embrace the defensive game and take pride in that.

 
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