WC: Divisions I, II, III
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mrkolice
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still, if slovenia wins both next games against korea and austria they go through. and this is far from impossible. today they played like crap, not really sure why, but they still control their destiny. and respect to poland, very good game.
What he means is the fact that basically every team but the tournament leader's B team has struggled with the team that merely added 6 AHL/ECHL guys shows that the fruits of growth are not ripe yet at the senior men's level.
swissexpert
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If Japan beats Italy today, Relegation is all open again. Not impossible for the Asians, but I feel like they're having goaltending issues this year.
And I say Slovenia beats the Koreans easily. Nice showing of them so far, but results were better than their game.
And I say Slovenia beats the Koreans easily. Nice showing of them so far, but results were better than their game.
Korea is probably overall not better than JPN but they have Dalton in the net and Swift for scoring purposes, which is the difference. And if Dalton can keep up they could beat Slo, although they are the clear favorites and they sure want to bounce back after the game vs. POL yesterday.
helicecopter
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why are Koreans allowed to buy foreigners for their national team? 
(yeah, I know that has happened as well with other countries in other sports)
(yeah, I know that has happened as well with other countries in other sports)
Everyone is allowed to do that as long as they stick to the rules of the IIHF. All 6 Canadian-Koreans played at least for 4 years in their league.
Is that really 4 year?
I thought Dalton played in the Asia league for just two seasons now.
Anyway, we can discuss whether the rules are good or not, but since they exist I would not call shameful a team just because is getting the better deal out of it.
I would change the rule because I do not like the way it is, but good for Korea if they managed to build a competitive team because of it.
I thought Dalton played in the Asia league for just two seasons now.
Anyway, we can discuss whether the rules are good or not, but since they exist I would not call shameful a team just because is getting the better deal out of it.
I would change the rule because I do not like the way it is, but good for Korea if they managed to build a competitive team because of it.
mrkolice
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i've watched matt dalton for the first time here but he didn't impress me much. he's good enough for this league, obviously better than other korean golies, but he is slow and his reaction time can be compared to a turtle. he'll be under huge pressure today.
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It's 4 years when you played for another country before and 2 years if you didn't (Like Dalton), you're right.
I don't know,I mean players who would allow to make South Korea a team who'd be able to compete (successfully) at the world championship wouldn't play in Asia for 2 years, so I think the rule is quite ok. And for players like Paul DiPietro who married a Swiss girl and settled here it shouldn't be more than 4 years.
In the meantime Italy won againts Japan 3-1. Looking bad for Japan, now.
I have absolutly nothing against naturalising a player if he has been living in the country for long enough, like DiPietro.
Also, if you are born as a dual citizen, I am ok with you playing for either team, regardless of you playing in the country or not. But in that case, I would not allow players to switch team. For example, if you are an Italian-Canadian dual citizen and you played in Canada U18, I would not allow you play for the Italian senior when you figure out that you are not good enough for the Canadian one. In that case you would have to play in Italy for a certain amount of time, before you are eligible and for sure, if you have been playing in a senior NT i would not let you switch.
On the other side, if you actively decide that you want to play for your grandfather nation, you have the citizenship and you commit to it, then welcome to the team, buddy. It's a choice you take knowing that you would not be allowed to go back if you all of a sudden turn into a top player.
Hope I made my idea clear, not sure that my english is good enough to explain mysef properly.
That rule is joke because Wolski can't represent Poland or Kasparaitis can't represent Lithuania if they wont play two or four years in those countries. But then Matt Dalton can represent South Korea. Wolski and Kasparaitis should be able to represent those countires. Specially Wolski would be huge for Poland. Kasparaitis is retired but still big name for Lithuainian hockey.
legionista
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This was debated at length over at the international hockey . net forum, specifically regarding Wolski.
I think IIHF's rule of preventing a guy like Wolski from playing for Poland is for the purpose of ensuring a national team and its players are somehow a reflection of player development in a given country. In Wolski's case, he never played in Poland growing up, first time he put on skates was in Canada and developed his skills there. However, if IIHF's goal is as I stated earlier, then a player like Swift or Dalton is in no way a reflection of the state or development of hockey in a given country either. In many cases expedited citizenship status and only playing two years in a league for a player is in no way a determining factor that hockey in a given country along with it's development is growing or not. This rule is a double standard to me, if it is to remain in its current form, then players like Wolski and others who have dual citizenship already should be able to play, or players like Swift and Dalton shouldn't be able to play or have stricter rules in order to represent heir adopted country.
Siamese Dream
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You should play for the country where you were trained, if you're not good enough then tough *******
If you weren't eligible to play under 20s for a country you shouldn't be eligible to play men's for that country
Some players would still get a choice under this rule if they're a dual national who has played in both countries as a junior.
If you weren't eligible to play under 20s for a country you shouldn't be eligible to play men's for that country
Some players would still get a choice under this rule if they're a dual national who has played in both countries as a junior.
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I agree but i also think everybody should be able to represent their born countries if they also have citizenship like Wolski. Specially if IIHF doesn't chance that rule.
Kasparaitis could have represented Lithuania but optioned to don the Russian jersey because their national team is better.
Kasparaitis want play for Lithuania now. He said it somewhere last year. And it would still be great to see. Its only good thing if IIHF allow him play for Lithuania even he represent Russia earlier.
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That's correct but I don't think he would be much of a help as he has been retired since 2009.
I don't know why should he be allowed. I mean, the guy made his choice and decided to represent another country.
Maybe Darius was bad example because he already represent other country. That said i still think he should be allowed represent Lithuania if he want. He is also Lithuanian. But Wolski was best example what i try to say.
Actually, he didn't have the choice. Kasparatis first played for the USSR/CIS. Lithuania didn't exist as a sovereign entity when he first played internationally.
Did he have the opportunity to change when Lithuania got it's independence in 1991?
Lithuania didn't play a competitive match until 1993.
Not sure he actually had a choice.
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