Disney Star Wars General Discussion

[Shockmaster]

I'd like a reasonable explanation from J.J. Abrams for The Rise of Skywalker.

I think a lot of us would like a reasonable explanation from Disney for the entire sequel trilogy.

 

[ArGarBarGar]

Rian Johnson Star Wars trilogy when

 

[Shockmaster]

Rian Johnson Star Wars trilogy when

Cancelled.

 

[Tawnos]

Even if their engines had been completely destroyed, they still would've maintained their speed, since there's no air resistance to slow them down. It's why the idea of the Resistance running out of fuel was dumb. You don't need engines or fuel in order to maintain your speed and trajectory in space.

Sometimes, it's probably better not to explain, since a dumb explanation is worse than none at all. As you suggested, we didn't really need to know why Vader's ship caught up to Leia's. It was enough that it did. Of course, Shockmaster has a point, also, that such things can become an issue in retrospect. Perhaps that's something that we can agree on: we don't need rules to define how or why big ships can or can't overtake smaller ones. They just create more problems than they solve.

Within a solar system, you do need engines and fuel to maintain your speed and trajectory, but the active agent isn't air resistance. It's gravity. When probes like Voyager or Cassini use gravity assists, they speed up as they approach a planet's gravity well and slow down as they leave it, as well as changing trajectory. So traveling within a solar system on a massive ship would takes more than just getting to speed and trajectory and cutting the engines. I'm not saying that the engines being on all the time like they are in most sci-fi is how it would really be done, but it's not so simple.

Vader's ship caught up to Leia's because the Tantive IV was damaged before the battle of Scarif, which is why it was in drydock on the flagship, and fell out of hyperspace before reaching the destination. If Vader or the Star Destroyer had figured out where they were headed ("plot every known course along their last trajectory"), the Star Destroyer could've even arrived at Tatooine before Tantive IV.

Not everything needs a reasonable explanation in space fantasy.

My sister likes to say that "it's a different galaxy, laws of physics might be different there." And that "in this other galaxy, space isn't the pure vacuum it is in our galaxy." Which are explanations that are fun to me, and I don't take too seriously... but some people would probably absolutely hate.

 

[ArGarBarGar]

Cancelled.

Link?

 

[Osprey]

Within a solar system, you do need engines and fuel to maintain your speed and trajectory, but the active agent isn't air resistance. It's gravity. When probes like Voyager or Cassini use gravity assists, they speed up as they approach a planet's gravity well and slow down as they leave it, as well as changing trajectory. So traveling within a solar system on a massive ship would takes more than just getting to speed and trajectory and cutting the engines. I'm not saying that the engines being on all the time like they are in most sci-fi is how it would really be done, but it's not so simple.

Yes, I know. I was simplifying because the TLJ chase scene that I was referring to appears to take place in open space and gravity likely doesn't make much of a difference in the long run because of the cancellation of gravity assists, as you noted. A ship would also catch up if the lead ship ran into a planet, but I didn't think that I needed to mention that, either.

My sister likes to say that "it's a different galaxy, laws of physics might be different there." And that "in this other galaxy, space isn't the pure vacuum it is in our galaxy." Which are explanations that are fun to me, and I don't take too seriously... but some people would probably absolutely hate.

Yeah, I'm one of those who doesn't like such explanations. It's a different galaxy in our universe, not a different universe with different physics, and space should be a vacuum everywhere because of gravity. I don't mind the lack of realism in Star Wars, but I don't think that it needs pseudo-scientific explanations.

 

[LeafsNation75]

For those on here who collect Star Wars Rebels Funko Pop's, you should know they are going up in value. These are the ones I have in my collection and their current value from the Funko app.

Ahsoka Hot Topic Exclusive: $125
Chopper: $65 Plus it's vaulted which means they don't make it anymore
Kanan: $55
Sabine masked Wallgreens Exclusive: $50
Ezra: $49
Hera $44
Sabine: $40 Using her Season 2 hair design
Zeb: $38
The Inquisitor Walmart Exclusive: $38
Chopper: $25 From the 2017 Star Wars Celebration when he's painted to look like an Imperial Droid, which is also vaulted
Seventh Sister Walmart Exclusive: $14
Fifth Brother Walmart Exclusive: $9

 

[LeafsNation75]

Cal Kestis Legacy Lightsaber is now on sale at Galaxy's Edge in Walt Disney World.

 

[AlanHUK]

Link?

Nothing official, but was completely left out of investor day which covered at least the next 5 years of Star Wars.

The huge fall of in take after opening weekend for TLJ and the subsequent backlash with Solo and loss of interest headed into TROS (opening weekend was $43m less than TLJ) led to the assumption it’s cancelled.

The success of The Mandalorian also seems to be viewed as an example of what Star Wars should be doing, which was the opposite of what RJ did, and that has further fuelled speculation

 

[Shockmaster]

Hasbro recently revealed their Lucasfilm 50th anniversary Star Wars figures, and to some surprise there were no figures from the sequel trilogy era. Apparently they have more faith in selling Jar Jar Binks figures than any character from that trilogy.

 

[Osprey]

Hasbro recently revealed their Lucasfilm 50th anniversary Star Wars figures, and to some surprise there were no figures from the sequel trilogy era. Apparently they have more faith in selling Jar Jar Binks figures than any character from that trilogy.

I thought that you might be joking, but nope...

It's also sort of funny to see Alec Guinness still making money from Star Wars decades after his death, considering that he was not enthusiastic about being in it:

 

[Pranzo Oltranzista]

Apparently they have more faith in selling Jar Jar Binks figures than any character from that trilogy.

Ahah! I think it says more about the fans than about the films though!

 

[Shockmaster]

Ahah! I think it says more about the fans than about the films though!

Nah, those film were incredibly disappointing and should have been so much more than what we got.

 

[Pranzo Oltranzista]

Nah, those film were incredibly disappointing and should have been so much more than what we got.

I'm already banned from one Star Wars thread, so I'll leave it at that. I think I commented on every SW films in the last film you've seen threads.

 

[Shockmaster]

I'm already banned from one Star Wars thread, so I'll leave it at that. I think I commented on every SW films in the last film you've seen threads.

Well not knowing what exactly you're thinking or what you said in the other thread, I'll just say that blaming fans for not liking movies usually doesn't work out too well. Disney found that out the hard way.

 

[Pranzo Oltranzista]

Disney found that out the hard way.

Yeah, that's the kind of spanking I'm staying away from.

(and not blaming anybody, I just don't understand what exactly you're not supposed to say about these sacred films)

 

[Shockmaster]

Yeah, that's the kind of spanking I'm staying away from.

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(and not blaming anybody, I just don't understand what exactly you're not supposed to say about these sacred films)

Considering Disney bought Star Wars for $4.05 billion from George Lucas and that each film grossed less than the one before, they have to be disappointed at that return.

 

[Pranzo Oltranzista]

Considering Disney bought Star Wars for $4.05 billion from George Lucas and that each film grossed less than the one before, they have to be disappointed at that return.

Going from finding out the hard way to being disappointed is a step in the right direction. We'll get there.

Disney’s purchase of “Star Wars” production company Lucasfilm is proving to be one of the smartest acquisitions ever made in corporate America.
The deal, worth $4.05 billion in cash and stock, was announced Oct. 30, 2012 and marked the start of a new era in the Star Wars franchise. Disney would make back that investment and more in just a few short years. The four Star Wars feature films Disney has produced have grossed more than $4.8 billion at the box office, according to comScore.
“This was one of the smartest acquisitions in history,” Paul Dergarabedian, senior media analyst for comScore, told CNBC.

Disney bought Lucasfilm six years ago today and has already recouped its $4 billion investment

 

[Shockmaster]

Going from finding out the hard way to being disappointed is a step in the right direction. We'll get there.

No, they still learned a lesson the hard way. Otherwise they wouldn't be distancing themselves from the sequel trilogy as they have in recent months.

Not to mention that article was written in 2018. The outlook following TRoS hasn't been too rosy since.

 

[LeafsNation75]

Hasbro recently revealed their Lucasfilm 50th anniversary Star Wars figures, and to some surprise there were no figures from the sequel trilogy era. Apparently they have more faith in selling Jar Jar Binks figures than any character from that trilogy.

I thought that you might be joking, but nope...

There is also a 6 inch Black Series figure of Jar Jar Binks that was released last year.

 

[Osprey]

There is also a 6 inch Black Series figure of Jar Jar Binks that was released last year.

That must've sold well enough for them to include him in the newer series. I wonder if fans are buying him ironically or because they liked him as kids. It's probably a little of both.

 

[LeafsNation75]

That must've sold well enough for them to include him in the newer series. I wonder if fans are buying him ironically or because they liked him as kids. It's probably a little of both.

Personally speaking I never purchased that Jar Jar Binks for my Black Series collection.

I have last years new wave of the Star Wars Rebels line which included Sabine, Ezra, Kanan, Hera, Ahsoka, Zeb, and Chopper.

I also purchased the Ahsoka Clone Wars Season 7 Black Series figure.

 

[ArGarBarGar]

Nothing official, but was completely left out of investor day which covered at least the next 5 years of Star Wars.

The huge fall of in take after opening weekend for TLJ and the subsequent backlash with Solo and loss of interest headed into TROS (opening weekend was $43m less than TLJ) led to the assumption it’s cancelled.

The success of The Mandalorian also seems to be viewed as an example of what Star Wars should be doing, which was the opposite of what RJ did, and that has further fuelled speculation

What exactly is the "opposite of what RJ did"?

The Mandalorian isn't bad, but I also don't think it should be the "blueprint" for future Star Wars projects. I would like to see some more ambition, creatively.

 

[ArGarBarGar]

Well not knowing what exactly you're thinking or what you said in the other thread, I'll just say that blaming fans for not liking movies usually doesn't work out too well. Disney found that out the hard way.

Disney blamed fans for not liking the movies, AND that is why the box office numbers ended up like they did?

Solo struggled because it had a lot of drama in production and ended up being a so-so story detailing a backstory that nobody really asked for (also was released at an incredibly stupid time, competing against both Black Panther and Infinity War, and had the biggest drop its second week because word-of-mouth was not terribly kind to the movie), TLJ earned less than TFA because all of the second movies in each trilogy earned less, and TROS earned less than both because it also had production problems and JJ didn't seem to know how to tie in the first two movies (leading to a big McGuffin quest and somehow Palpatine returned).

This seems like manufacturing Star Wars drama where there really isn't any. You think the lack of a specific outlined plan for the trilogy was a major factor in the lack of cohesion between the three movies? Perfectly valid. Issues with the creative direction of Abrams or Johnson? Also valid. Arguing that there is/was a war between the fans and Disney and the fans chose not to go see the movies out of protest because Disney said mean things about the fans? I don't see how the evidence lines up with that interpretation.

 

[Shockmaster]

Disney blamed fans for not liking the movies, AND that is why the box office numbers ended up like they did?

Solo struggled because it had a lot of drama in production and ended up being a so-so story detailing a backstory that nobody really asked for (also was released at an incredibly stupid time, competing against both Black Panther and Infinity War, and had the biggest drop its second week because word-of-mouth was not terribly kind to the movie), TLJ earned less than TFA because all of the second movies in each trilogy earned less, and TROS earned less than both because it also had production problems and JJ didn't seem to know how to tie in the first two movies (leading to a big McGuffin quest and somehow Palpatine returned).

This seems like manufacturing Star Wars drama where there really isn't any. You think the lack of a specific outlined plan for the trilogy was a major factor in the lack of cohesion between the three movies? Perfectly valid. Issues with the creative direction of Abrams or Johnson? Also valid. Arguing that there is/was a war between the fans and Disney and the fans chose not to go see the movies out of protest because Disney said mean things about the fans? I don't see how the evidence lines up with that interpretation.

I don't know about a "war" between Disney and the fans, but insulting the people you hope are the paying customers is never a good idea for any business.