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Osprey said:
Some good rumors:

The Mandalorian and Favreau/Filoni's Universe to Replace Sequel Trilogy Characters in Galaxy's Edge?

Summary:
  • Kennedy's side has lost and her loyalists are leaking rumors as their ship sinks.
  • Disney is supporting Favreau and Filoni in their plan to take Star Wars in a different, MCU-like direction.
  • Favreau and Filoni report directly to Iger, not to Kennedy, who will be kept away from Star Wars projects.
  • Their "plan is to revere George Lucas, restore the original characters back to glory, tell an engaging saga that crescendos with a battle against Thrawn, all while preparing to fix the problems of the sequel trilogy."
  • Disney was originally going to make Galaxy's Edge a unified SW experience that incorporated elements of all three trilogies. Kennedy convinced them to make it ST only.
  • Disney is now considering replacing some of Galaxy's Edge attractions with ones from The Mandalorian because visitors want to see characters like Mando, Ahsoka, Grogu and Luke, not Rey and Ren.
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I'm calling bullshit on all of that until some more reliable source says it. Literally a neverheard site that also seems be on an agenda.
 
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Jussi said:
I'm calling bullshit on all of that until some more reliable source says it. Literally a neverheard site that also seems be on an agenda.
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You can call it what you like, but I think that it's funny that you're suspicious of agendas when you predictably dismiss the source every single time that someone posts a rumor that's critical of the franchise. Kathleen Kennedy should be paying you. ;)

FWIW, the rumor is also coming from a Disney expert and historian:
Why the Mandalorian May Be Headed to Star Wars: Galaxy's Edge
 
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Osprey said:
Some good rumors:

The Mandalorian and Favreau/Filoni's Universe to Replace Sequel Trilogy Characters in Galaxy's Edge?

Summary:
  • Kennedy's side has lost and her loyalists are leaking rumors as their ship sinks.
  • Disney is supporting Favreau and Filoni in their plan to take Star Wars in a different, MCU-like direction.
  • Favreau and Filoni report directly to Iger, not to Kennedy, who will be kept away from Star Wars projects.
  • Their "plan is to revere George Lucas, restore the original characters back to glory, tell an engaging saga that crescendos with a battle against Thrawn, all while preparing to fix the problems of the sequel trilogy."
  • Disney was originally going to make Galaxy's Edge a unified SW experience that incorporated elements of all three trilogies. Kennedy convinced them to make it ST only.
  • Disney is now considering replacing some of Galaxy's Edge attractions with ones from The Mandalorian because visitors want to see characters like Mando, Ahsoka, Grogu and Luke, not Rey and Ren.
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What is your definition of "good"?
 
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"Revere George Lucas". You mean the same George Lucas people shat all over to the point where he basically gave up making movies?
 
Osprey said:
Some good rumors:

The Mandalorian and Favreau/Filoni's Universe to Replace Sequel Trilogy Characters in Galaxy's Edge?

Summary:
  • Kennedy's side has lost and her loyalists are leaking rumors as their ship sinks.
  • Disney is supporting Favreau and Filoni in their plan to take Star Wars in a different, MCU-like direction.
  • Favreau and Filoni report directly to Iger, not to Kennedy, who will be kept away from Star Wars projects.
  • Their "plan is to revere George Lucas, restore the original characters back to glory, tell an engaging saga that crescendos with a battle against Thrawn, all while preparing to fix the problems of the sequel trilogy."
  • Disney was originally going to make Galaxy's Edge a unified SW experience that incorporated elements of all three trilogies. Kennedy convinced them to make it ST only.
  • Disney is now considering replacing some of Galaxy's Edge attractions with ones from The Mandalorian because visitors want to see characters like Mando, Ahsoka, Grogu and Luke, not Rey and Ren.
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Regardless of the accuracy of the linked article, I think some common sense can lead us to believe some of these rumors are true.

-Following the investors meeting, it's pretty clear Disney is banking on the Favreau/Filoni post-ROTJ, MCU-like projects for Disney+ as their big money-makers. The projects that Kennedy has more influence on (High Republic, Acolytes) are very inconsequential in the big picture for Star Wars. If those projects are bad, they're easily swept under the rug and forgotten about.

-There is clearly a divide at Lucasfilm between the Favreau/Filoni camp and the Kennedy camp in regards to the direction of Star Wars.

-The decision to base Galaxy's Edge solely on the sequel trilogy was a disaster. Kennedy not only badly overestimated the sequel trilogy, but she also completely underestimated how popular the original trilogy still is (and even certain aspects from the prequel trilogy/era) to younger Star Wars fans.

-Take this with a huge grain of salt. There's a "rumor" out there about fixing the sequel trilogy which basically makes all of Luke's actions in TLJ an act to keep Grogu's existence a secret from the First Order. This rumor also implies Rey's importance will be marginalized and moving forward Grogu would be the face of the Jedi. There's more details that are too lengthy for me to post here. IMO, while perhaps well-intentioned I think this would end up being very confusing and convoluted. If the options are de-canonization of the sequels or this, de-canonization would be the more straight-forward approach.
 
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MadDevil said:
"Revere George Lucas". You mean the same George Lucas people shat all over to the point where he basically gave up making movies?
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After seeing the sequel trilogy, those people may have had a change of heart in regards to Lucas's vision.
 
Maybe if you beat that "de-canon the ST" drum one more time it will end up happening.

Also can someone provide information that demonstrates what Kennedy's involvement is in particular Star Wars movies/shows?
 
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Well we can always keep pretending the sequel trilogy is the future for Star Wars, despite Disney clearly avoiding it now.
 
Shockmaster said:
Take this with a huge grain of salt. There's a "rumor" out there about fixing the sequel trilogy which basically makes all of Luke's actions in TLJ an act to keep Grogu's existence a secret from the First Order. This rumor also implies Rey's importance will be marginalized and moving forward Grogu would be the face of the Jedi. There's more details that are too lengthy for me to post here. IMO, while perhaps well-intentioned I think this would end up being very confusing and convoluted. If the options are de-canonization of the sequels or this, de-canonization would be the more straight-forward approach.
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The simplest approach is probably to just not touch the sequels.

There's no need for a convoluted mess of explanations to try to tie everything together, but also no need to wipe the slate clean and start over again. There's no point remaking the ST or anything like that anyways since the original cast can't/won't be a part of it this time. You can't "reclaim" the years after RotJ to make something else, it wouldn't make sense without the original cast being involved. If they want to move forward with more mainline films or whatever without involving anything from the ST, just jump further into the future. Just like the sequels hardly mention the prequels, a new trilogy set 50 years after the ST wouldn't have to explain anything from the sequels if they don't want to. They're working with an infinite universe with a huge timeline, it's pointless to go back and try to "fix" things, easier just to move on.
 
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Lucas's vision was never the problem. Problem with the PT was the execution.

The story arc makes sense and is actually quite compelling. Maybe the political stuff in TFM was a little too complex/boring, but at heart, it worked.

The pacing, the acting, the directing, the "fakeness" of the sets, some characters, etc. Now, that's another issue.

Clone Wars did a great job fixing a lot of that.
 
Beau Knows said:
The simplest approach is probably to just not touch the sequels.

There's no need for a convoluted mess of explanations to try to tie everything together, but also no need to wipe the slate clean and start over again. There's no point remaking the ST or anything like that anyways since the original cast can't/won't be a part of it this time. You can't "reclaim" the years after RotJ to make something else, it wouldn't make sense without the original cast being involved. If they want to move forward with more mainline films or whatever without involving anything from the ST, just jump further into the future. Just like the sequels hardly mention the prequels, a new trilogy set 50 years after the ST wouldn't have to explain anything from the sequels if they don't want to. They're working with an infinite universe with a huge timeline, it's pointless to go back and try to "fix" things, easier just to move on.
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De-canonize =/= re-make. It just wipes the slate clean for Favreau and Filoni to tell new stories in the post-ROTJ era without worrying about contradicting events.

That said, the "don't touch it" approach seems to be what Disney is doing at least for the short-term. In the long run with these post-ROTJ series it might feel like an elephant in the room if it's not addressed in some way, whether that involves a tie-in, de-canonization, "fixing," some kind of timeline split, or something else. In some ways I'm surprised Disney didn't choose to focus on something like the KOTOR era that could have allowed them to ignore the sequels indefinitely.
 
ArGarBarGar said:
What is your definition of "good"?
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Rumors that make enough sense that you two take issue with the messenger instead of debating the rumors, themselves.

Shockmaster said:
Regardless of the accuracy of the linked article, I think some common sense can lead us to believe some of these rumors are true.
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Yeah, I posted it because all of it makes some degree of sense. I read a lot of rumors and I don't post all of them because some just seem too far fetched, such as the one about Boba Fett replacing Mando in Season 3 of The Mandalorian that popped up a month ago.
 
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Okay, so a good rumor is one that you personally think could be the case?

I'm not attacking the messenger, I am wondering why you think that blog post is legitimate or "good". If I think you are spreading unfounded rumors I am going to ask about the credibility of those rumors.
 
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Another rumor going around is that Robert Downey Jr. is in talks to join the Favreau/Filoni-verse, with a lot of speculation that he could be playing Thrawn.

Personally I'm having a hard time envisioning RDJ as Thrawn, but that guy oozes talent. So I can't put it past him completely.
 
ArGarBarGar said:
Okay, so a good rumor is one that you personally think could be the case.

I'm not attacking the messenger, I am wondering why you think that blog post is legitimate or "good". If I think you are spreading unfounded rumors I am going to ask about the credibility of those rumors.
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What is your definition of "unfounded"? I suspect that you were asking about the credibility of those rumors because you didn't like their content, not so much because you were concerned with how "founded" they are. I don't otherwise see why anyone would have a problem with posting such harmless rumors. They're fun to debate and keep discussion alive. You're welcome to join in and give some reasons why you think that they don't make sense.
 
Osprey said:
What is your definition of "unfounded"? I suspect that you were asking about the credibility of those rumors because you didn't like their content, not so much because you were concerned with how "founded" they are. I don't otherwise see why anyone would have a problem with posting such harmless rumors. They're fun to debate and keep discussion alive. You're welcome to join in and give some reasons why you think that they don't make sense.
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Unfounded as in not founded. And when an article/blog starts with this:

I think the amount of info being “leaked” is indicative of the Kathleen side knowing that they’ve lost.
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As if Lucasfilm is having some "battle of Mustafar" situation, it really makes me wonder the credibility of the author.

There may be some truth to these rumors, and there may be some completely fabricated garbage. I have trouble accepting this whole "Kathleen Kennedy is getting OWNED by Filoni and Favreau!" narrative that people seem to always bring up, and when rumors are attached to that narrative, I have trouble taking them seriously.

Like, how can someone even corroborate this:
Kennedy’s Lucasfilm has done everything in its power to go a certain direction. Favreau and Filoni are going a different way. The different way is winning, and it’s winning to such a degree that the diehards who can’t adjust are out there making tons of noise while their ship sinks. Many of them don’t realize their days are numbered. Wonder if Hidalgo realizes the future of Star Wars looks completely the opposite of what he wants?
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I find it plausible that the Star Wars Disney park attractions will change over time (seems obvious for them to do so with new content for people to consume). I have no idea who is leaking what roles Kennedy has in specific projects and the idea she is being relegated to "small projects" because she supposedly sucks at her job, and I wonder how much of that is wishful thinking instead of actual legitimate testimony. I have no idea what they mean by "trying to fix the sequel trilogy", and am curious how much of that is wishful thinking instead of legitimate testimony. I also don't think it is a rumor as much as it is clearly demonstrated that an MCU approach is being used considering all the content they have teased in the last month or so.

Essentially, what is either already demonstrated or obvious are the only plausible rumors I can see in that article, and I am not sure how "good" the rest of it is.

It honestly reminds me of when a certain Red Wings blogger a few years ago accused the team of having a "Swedish mafia", in that the Swedes (Zetterberg/Kronwall/Ericsson) were dictating the coaching decisions and there was infighting that was negatively affecting the team. It's certainly an interesting story, but it's a very suspect premise that was never properly corroborated.
 
Osprey said:
What is your definition of "unfounded"? I suspect that you were asking about the credibility of those rumors because you didn't like their content, not so much because you were concerned with how "founded" they are. I don't otherwise see why anyone would have a problem with posting such harmless rumors. They're fun to debate and keep discussion alive. You're welcome to join in and give some reasons why you think that they don't make sense.
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I think certain rumors gained steam following the announcements made during the Disney investors meeting and the Mandalorian season 2 finale. At the investors meeting, there was absolutely nothing in regards to the sequel trilogy. It was clear Disney was trying to distance themselves from it. You also have the Veil of the Force in the Ahsoka title card - which according to rumors out there (credible or not) is to be used to de-canonize the sequels. Then in the Mandalorian season 2 finale you had the Luke fans have been wanting to see for nearly 40 years. In that instance, Disney listened to the fans and gave them what they wanted. Could those fans be given more of what they want later on as these new series in the Favreau/Filoni-verse progress? It'll probably be a few years at least before we know for sure, but there's plenty to speculate about.
 
I think part of why Galaxy's Edge didn't do as well as they hoped is that everybody anticipated that everybody else would want to go to it immediately which caused the lag in numbers, Disney also shot themselves in the foot that summer because they blocked out annual passholders and cast members, and Rise of the Resistance didn't open up until December that year. I definitely don't think it was because the land was centered around the sequel trilogy. Rise of the Resistance is probably the best ride that Imagineering ever came up with and everyone loves interacting with Kylo Ren and Rey. I absolutely can see them expanding to allow more prequel and original trilogy characters because the appetite is clearly there.
 
One of the more interesting rumors and one that I thought would get more discussion is Favreau and Filoni's rumored plan to "tell an engaging saga that crescendos with a battle against Thrawn." Combined with the "MCU-like direction" that they're taking the franchise in, my guess is that the plan is to eventually have a series (perhaps a trilogy) of big screen movies in which many of the stars of the recently announced series come together to battle Thrawn, just like the Avengers movies. Once they do, Favreau and Filoni won't have to spend much time in the movies introducing and establishing the characters because that would've already been done in the various series. Also, it seems to me that it provides a possible explanation for why Disney announced so many series all at once: the sooner that they get all of these characters established and (more) popular, the sooner that they can make the movies that bring them all together and make $2B each.

As someone who's not into the MCU or the Avengers movies, I'm not sure if I want Star Wars to go that route, but I could end up liking it (similar to The Mandalorian after being unsure about the TV format), so I'll keep an open mind.
 
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I have mentioned before I would love to have some unique stories centered around characters in the galaxy dealing with "the force" in different ways, with new organizations/species/characters that are not directly related to any of the major shows/movies (other than possibly references to the Empire or Republic as necessary), but aesthetically fits in with the universe.

You can even set it in the "modern" age, tying it in vaguely with the whole "force awakening/broom kid getting inspired/etc." concept without directly mentioning the ST, and see what happens. Maybe throw in "lightsabers" in some unique way and let some creative writers have fun with it.
 
MadDevil said:
"Revere George Lucas". You mean the same George Lucas people shat all over to the point where he basically gave up making movies?
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Lucas's ability to drawn us into fictional worlds is pretty much unparalleled. The prequels were great stories with horrible, horrible, horrible execution. This is proven in TCW where Filoni was able to turn 3 very flawed movies into a critically acclaimed show.
 
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