Disney Star Wars General Discussion

[Shockmaster]

The focus for the ST era EU seems to be on comics more than anything. There have been like 100+ comic issues that take place in the ST era, not including the comic adaptations of the movies. Just a few novels, both adult and young adult. They did make Resistance, as well.

I'm wondering if we're going to start getting a bunch of post TRoS stuff happening before Rogue Squadron comes out.... which supposedly takes place in the "future era of the galaxy" and I interpret that as after the ST, though I could be wrong.

Wouldn't hold my breath for that. With these new series announcements it's pretty clear Disney is avoiding anything related to the sequel trilogy.

 

[RobBrown4PM]

The only thing I didn't really care for was that I thought the Ion Torpedoes were way too powerful. Rebels should just always open a battle with that...

(Also, nuBSG and the Expanse novels have REALLY changed how I think how space battles should work)

The space battles in BSG and the Expanse are so different.

BSG has a pseudo (but entirely bullocks) realistic tone and feel to it. Anti gravity exists but fighters adhere to Newtonian physics in space, unless they're accelerating forward, in which case there's no force on the pilot.

The Expanse, specifically in the novels, has hard, brutal, and very realistic space battles. Battles rake place over tens of thousands of km's. Torpedos take tens of minutes to hours to reach their targets. Thrust and gravity are important factors in warfare. Armor is essentially useless in space warfare, and the focus is more on protection against spalling. Why would you have any type of explosive charge for ammo on spaceships, the expanse knows why.

 

[Tawnos]

Wouldn't hold my breath for that. With these new series announcements it's pretty clear Disney is avoiding anything related to the sequel trilogy.

Given that the next movie seems like it's probably taking place after the ST and is about fighter pilots, I would not at all be surprised to see Poe Dameron make an appearance. Not as a central character, but he'll likely be there.

 

[HanSolo]

What I'm saying is that those tunnels weren't considered a flaw at all, nor should they have been. It never would've been a problem, except the Empire was done in by their own arrogance... a mistake they didn't learn from after the first Death Star destruction. Blockade the Death Star with Star Destroyers and the Rebels never would've gotten through. But they just *had* to show off with it.

Also, line the walls with turrets? So the first time a turret misses what it's aiming at, it hits and destroys whatever's on the other side?

Like the alternative which ended up being tie fighters crashing around in the vents was much more preferable? If they had money to construct a second death star, they had money to make repairs to it too.

Again, hubris, to me seems like a cheap plot convenience in this case. I mean the entirety of the Empire was so arrogant that they would leave the most vulnerable part of a second Death Star even more open than before? The humility and failure of the Battle of Yavin arose from misunderestimating their opponents, an opponent that gained military strength across the original 3 films. This time, if the Rebels managed to get past the shield generator and their fleet, they had (essentially) an empty and open highway to the Death Star's reactor which would deal a massive blow to the Empire not only crippling their military might, but killing their top 2 leaders who were on board.

Sure, the odds of disabling the shield generator and getting past the fleet were slim but the Rebels had long odds in destroying the first Death Star, so why would they leave something like that to chance? What, cause of the big triumph that was the ambush victory on Hoth? A victory that only temporarily displaced Alliance leadership? A victory that essentially required the utility of massively superior military technology in the form of the AT-At walkers which ended up being nearly impossible to stop?

I mean maybe you're right. Maybe it's hubris to the max. But to me the whole thing reads a lot more like development in filmmaking could make it possible to have a cooler attack run than flying down a long trench so the film was written around making such a scene possible.

 

[Tawnos]

Like the alternative which ended up being tie fighters crashing around in the vents was much more preferable? If they had money to construct a second death star, they had money to make repairs to it too.

Again, hubris, to me seems like a cheap plot convenience in this case. I mean the entirety of the Empire was so arrogant that they would leave the most vulnerable part of a second Death Star even more open than before? The humility and failure of the Battle of Yavin arose from misunderestimating their opponents, an opponent that gained military strength across the original 3 films. This time, if the Rebels managed to get past the shield generator and their fleet, they had (essentially) an empty and open highway to the Death Star's reactor which would deal a massive blow to the Empire not only crippling their military might, but killing their top 2 leaders who were on board.

Sure, the odds of disabling the shield generator and getting past the fleet were slim but the Rebels had long odds in destroying the first Death Star, so why would they leave something like that to chance? What, cause of the big triumph that was the ambush victory on Hoth? A victory that only temporarily displaced Alliance leadership? A victory that essentially required the utility of massively superior military technology in the form of the AT-At walkers which ended up being nearly impossible to stop?

I mean maybe you're right. Maybe it's hubris to the max. But to me the whole thing reads a lot more like development in filmmaking could make it possible to have a cooler attack run than flying down a long trench so the film was written around making such a scene possible.

Hubris and arrogance being self-destructive aren't a "plot convenience".. they're a motif. A theme of the entire trilogy.

 

[Shockmaster]

Given that the next movie seems like it's probably taking place after the ST and is about fighter pilots, I would not at all be surprised to see Poe Dameron make an appearance. Not as a central character, but he'll likely be there.

Where exactly has it been confirmed when this movie will be taking place? Saying it takes place after the sequel trilogy seems to be pure speculation.

And I wouldn't hold my breath for any sequel trilogy actors reprising their roles. None of them were reportedly too happy with Disney after the trilogy ended.

 

[MadDevil]

Where exactly has it been confirmed when this movie will be taking place? Saying it takes place after the sequel trilogy seems to be pure speculation.

And I wouldn't hold my breath for any sequel trilogy actors reprising their roles. None of them were reportedly too happy with Disney after the trilogy ended.

It hasn't been confirmed, but in Lucasfilm's release they said it would "move the saga into the future era of the galaxy".

 

[Shockmaster]

It hasn't been confirmed, but in Lucasfilm's release they said it would "move the saga into the future era of the galaxy".

That's pretty vague though. Disney seems like they are really trying to milk the eras immediately before and after the original trilogy. A future era could easily mean post-ROTJ.

 

[HanSolo]

Hubris and arrogance being self-destructive aren't a "plot convenience".. they're a motif. A theme of the entire trilogy.

They surround the battle station with a massive fleet and protect it and Endor with a shield generator. I'll grant you that essentially letting the rebels in the front door to trick and capture Luke to try to turn him is hubris and arrogance, but at least there it's believable, it's having their ground forces dummied by a bunch of teddy bears for the purpose of a flat metaphor and toy sales that that plot element falls apart. If they reinforced the second death star with a fleet, then they knew an attack was imminent. They took some precautions, but where it mattered, where a failsafe was needed to protect their ultimate weapon from a failure like that at Yavin and to protect the lives of their most prominent leaders, some anti-spacecraft weaponery lining the walls of some vents of a still being constructed space station was extraneous? In the crucible of war where assets are in constant need of either replacement or repair, some self inflicted component damage was seen as untenable to the safety of the Death Star 2 and those on board? Their only fail safe if the Rebels broke through into the second Death Star was in-vent TIE fighter defense when that went so poorly at Yavin?

There's being arrogant and there's being strategically bankrupt and it goes a bit beyond how far I can suspend my disbelief that past disabling the shield generator, the Rebels could be met with such sparse resistance in their final attack run with so much at stake for the Empire. It worked with Tarkin being too proud and arrogant to abandon ship. It doesn't work for me when the two figureheads of an entire Empire are on a vulnerable vessel. If the Empire had never failed on Yavin as they had, I might understand the carelessness. But with the backbone of the Empire's might one torpedo away from annihilation, I would think no amount of arrogance would supplant the need to take all possible precaution. We're talking about a regime headed by a man that played a very long and meticulously planned game to overthrow the galactic government and seize control. An Empire that went to calculated lengths to try to capture Luke Skywalker and his friends on Bespin. And they're this careless when it matters most.

But again, that's not even close to my biggest problem with RotJ so we're risking arguing in circles over not much at all. The original point of my response was that considering the torpedoes were shot at a reactor, it's unfair to say they're OP and all the Rebels should have been using. Given their flight path, they wouldn't be terribly useful against a speedy TIE fighter and I really doubt they would have been that much more effective against the plating on the AT-ATs.

 

[Tawnos]

They surround the battle station with a massive fleet and protect it and Endor with a shield generator. I'll grant you that essentially letting the rebels in the front door to trick and capture Luke to try to turn him is hubris and arrogance, but at least there it's believable, it's having their ground forces dummied by a bunch of teddy bears for the purpose of a flat metaphor and toy sales that that plot element falls apart. If they reinforced the second death star with a fleet, then they knew an attack was imminent. They took some precautions, but where it mattered, where a failsafe was needed to protect their ultimate weapon from a failure like that at Yavin and to protect the lives of their most prominent leaders, some anti-spacecraft weaponery lining the walls of some vents of a still being constructed space station was extraneous? In the crucible of war where assets are in constant need of either replacement or repair, some self inflicted component damage was seen as untenable to the safety of the Death Star 2 and those on board? Their only fail safe if the Rebels broke through into the second Death Star was in-vent TIE fighter defense when that went so poorly at Yavin?

There's being arrogant and there's being strategically bankrupt and it goes a bit beyond how far I can suspend my disbelief that past disabling the shield generator, the Rebels could be met with such sparse resistance in their final attack run with so much at stake for the Empire. It worked with Tarkin being too proud and arrogant to abandon ship. It doesn't work for me when the two figureheads of an entire Empire are on a vulnerable vessel. If the Empire had never failed on Yavin as they had, I might understand the carelessness. But with the backbone of the Empire's might one torpedo away from annihilation, I would think no amount of arrogance would supplant the need to take all possible precaution. We're talking about a regime headed by a man that played a very long and meticulously planned game to overthrow the galactic government and seize control. An Empire that went to calculated lengths to try to capture Luke Skywalker and his friends on Bespin. And they're this careless when it matters most.

But again, that's not even close to my biggest problem with RotJ so we're risking arguing in circles over not much at all. The original point of my response was that considering the torpedoes were shot at a reactor, it's unfair to say they're OP and all the Rebels should have been using. Given their flight path, they wouldn't be terribly useful against a speedy TIE fighter and I really doubt they would have been that much more effective against the plating on the AT-ATs.

The main leader on the station was the most arrogant of all of them.

 

[Tawnos]

That's pretty vague though. Disney seems like they are really trying to milk the eras immediately before and after the original trilogy. A future era could easily mean post-ROTJ.

That's not vague at all, IMO. Then again, the original Rogue Squadron took place in the era you're referring to.

 

[Shockmaster]

That's not vague at all, IMO. Then again, the original Rogue Squadron took place in the era you're referring to.

The post-ROTJ era would certainly be the safe choice, and frankly the most logical one.

 

[ArGarBarGar]

Like the alternative which ended up being tie fighters crashing around in the vents was much more preferable? If they had money to construct a second death star, they had money to make repairs to it too.

Again, hubris, to me seems like a cheap plot convenience in this case. I mean the entirety of the Empire was so arrogant that they would leave the most vulnerable part of a second Death Star even more open than before? The humility and failure of the Battle of Yavin arose from misunderestimating their opponents, an opponent that gained military strength across the original 3 films. This time, if the Rebels managed to get past the shield generator and their fleet, they had (essentially) an empty and open highway to the Death Star's reactor which would deal a massive blow to the Empire not only crippling their military might, but killing their top 2 leaders who were on board.

Sure, the odds of disabling the shield generator and getting past the fleet were slim but the Rebels had long odds in destroying the first Death Star, so why would they leave something like that to chance? What, cause of the big triumph that was the ambush victory on Hoth? A victory that only temporarily displaced Alliance leadership? A victory that essentially required the utility of massively superior military technology in the form of the AT-At walkers which ended up being nearly impossible to stop?

I mean maybe you're right. Maybe it's hubris to the max. But to me the whole thing reads a lot more like development in filmmaking could make it possible to have a cooler attack run than flying down a long trench so the film was written around making such a scene possible.

Maybe in a few years there will be a movie surrounding the construction process, and it will be revealed that the general contractor was a rebel spy who intentionally left those areas open so the core was accessible by pilots.

 

[HanSolo]

The main leader on the station was the most arrogant of all of them.

Be that as it may, I would think a man who's all about flexing his might would make it harder for the rebels where it mattered most> Even being arrogant enough to let such a glaring hole in the structure, would it not be very Palpatine-like to snatch hope from the Rebels near the point of victory by making it impossible to access the reactor hall? I don't find the idea that guns in the vents or whatever other measure potentially damaging the vents being the reason why such measures weren't undertaken to be particularly compelling. If it's a question between preserving the whole of a superweapon designed to destroy entire planets and preserving a few repairable vents, from Palpatine's perspective it's a simple calculus. Ignoring the possibility of total destruction through an attack run in the vents isn't simple arrogance, it's strategic carelessness. And to see that from a guy that accomplished a meticulously calculated and executed overthrow of a galactic government, it doesn't resonate with me that he'd be so cavalier with the Empire's last great threat and his own life. Granted, again, I don't care that much about this detail (and this is my last point on the matter) because ultimately, without a path to victory for the Rebels, what's the point of the ending? I just feel where you see a motif, I see that as a justification for narrative laziness for the sake of a flashier take on a similar concept.

And it's not like that's a dealbreaker with RotJ for me since I can find TFA an enjoyable film to watch while recognizing its narrative laziness and reliance on narrative beats from past films, right down to its own Death Star run. As I've said, there's other issues that make RotJ far less enjoyable for me in comparison to ANH and ESB.

Maybe in a few years there will be a movie surrounding the construction process, and it will be revealed that the general contractor was a rebel spy who intentionally left those areas open so the core was accessible by pilots.

Rogue Two. Coming to theaters Christmas 2024. Starring Felicity Jones as Jyn Erso's twin sister.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

As details come out about the Obi Wan series, I wonder how they’ll approach him and Vader clashing again as the promo material has mentioned

The thing that makes the most sense without retconning what happens in ANH would be to have Obi Wan and Vader square off in some fictional battle while he’s meditating trying to learn how to become a force ghost.

would provide the action without them having to physically meet

 

[Bures Elbow]

As details come out about the Obi Wan series, I wonder how they’ll approach him and Vader clashing again as the promo material has mentioned

The thing that makes the most sense without retconning what happens in ANH would be to have Obi Wan and Vader square off in some fictional battle while he’s meditating trying to learn how to become a force ghost.

would provide the action without them having to physically meet

I think if they showed Obi-Wan needing to leave Tattoine for a critical mission revolving around Yoda/Ahsoka, and parallel it to following Vader chasing leads and hunting down/killing the remaining surviving Padawans/Jedi 1 by 1 leading to putting clues together regarding Obi-Wans location, it could work.

A quick chance encounter on a random planet that would cement "he's more machine than man now" due to situations that led both of them there.

They have to show a live action version of Kenobis fight with Maul..maybe talking to Ezra made him want to actually help Ezra/Ahsoka again...imagine that reunion of the two friends!

Also the ability to show flashbacks to all 3 of Kenobi/Anakin/Ahsoka in the Clone Wars, they need to do that.

 

[Jussi]

 

[NyQuil]

As details come out about the Obi Wan series, I wonder how they’ll approach him and Vader clashing again as the promo material has mentioned

The thing that makes the most sense without retconning what happens in ANH would be to have Obi Wan and Vader square off in some fictional battle while he’s meditating trying to learn how to become a force ghost.

would provide the action without them having to physically meet

Well, the alternative is that they duel while Kenobi still isn't an old man, but rather a middle aged one.

So the dialogue still works.

I think Vader only says that "I feel a presence I haven't felt since..." and "your powers are weak old man".

This line refers to when they originally met, as opposed to any encounters since:

"I've been waiting for you, Obi-Wan. We meet again, at last. The circle is now complete. When I met you I was but the learner. Now, *I* am the master."

So it still works too, as long as sufficient time passes between the series and ANH.

A quick chance encounter on a random planet that would cement "he's more machine than man now" due to situations that led both of them there.

Yeah, that actually dovetails nicely.

They have to show a live action version of Kenobis fight with Maul..maybe talking to Ezra made him want to actually help Ezra/Ahsoka again...imagine that reunion of the two friends!

Also the ability to show flashbacks to all 3 of Kenobi/Anakin/Ahsoka in the Clone Wars, they need to do that.

As someone who isn't interested in watching the animated series, I hope it doesn't rely too much on what happens in them.

I still think having Maul survive getting bisected by a light saber was a mistake.

But I guess he appeared in Solo so it's truly canon in the live action stuff too.

 

[MadDevil]

As someone who isn't interested in watching the animated series, I hope it doesn't rely too much on what happens in them.

I still think having Maul survive getting bisected by a light saber was a mistake.

But I guess he appeared in Solo so it's truly canon in the live action stuff too.

I did too at first...then I saw what they did with him in TCW and Rebels and I'm glad they brought him back. He's way more interesting of a character now than he was when he was just the blunt instrument of Sidious in TPM.

 

[Scandale du Jour]

I did too at first...then I saw what they did with him in TCW and Rebels and I'm glad they brought him back. He's way more interesting of a character now than he was when he was just the blunt instrument of Sidious in TPM.

This.

The fact that he survived what he survived was dumb. What they did with the character after bringing him back was pure genius.

 

[RobBrown4PM]

I hated that he survived his getting gutted by a lightsabre, and a fall of God knows how high, but his character arch(s) in TCW were genius.

 

[LeafsNation75]

 

[LeafsNation75]

I was finally able to complete my set of the of brand new Star Wars Rebels Black Series figures that were released earlier this year. I already had Sabine, Ahsoka, Kanan, Hera, Zeb, and Chopper in my collection, so I just needed Ezra. However the release date for him at EBGames kept getting delayed. For example it was supposed to be released in the middle of November and as of today it's now scheduled to be released on January 15, 2021. So I decided to purchase it this past weekend on eBay. For those who don't know what these look like here are pictures of them.

I also have the Hondo Ohnaka Black Series from Galaxy's Edge in Walt Disney World and in Canada it was only being sold at Toys R US stores.

In the United States it was being sold only at Target stores.

I also just got the whole set of the brand new Clone Wars Season 7 Funko Pops.

I had reserved the common ones at various EBGames locations, so despite the lockdown they were still doing curbside pickup for them. The characters they released was Ahoska, BO-Katan, Darth Maul, Gar Saxon, and Wrecker.

Plus I also got the Ahsoka (New Pose) which was an EBGames/GameStop Exclusive.

Finally at a Funko Pop Store in the Pickering Town Centre Mall they were able to get me the Mandalorian Super Commando, which is a Funko Shop Exclusive.

For those who don't know the Funko Shop website does not ship to Canada, so that makes releases like those harder to purchase. I paid a little more than what it was going for on eBay and that's including the shipping, however it was worth it.

 

[RobBrown4PM]

Saw someone mention on Twitter the other day that Rogue One has the best space battle amongst Star Wars movies.

What do you guys think? After re-watching it yesterday, I'm kind of getting convinced

Not wrong at all. It's a spectacular battle that calls back to the big battle in RoTJ, while adding a bunch of new stuff.

With the EU pouring into canon lore now like a burst dam, I'm hoping we get any one of the big battles in the Thrawn trilogy, especially the Marg Sabl maneuver (which I know has already been done, but it wasn't Thawns)

 

[MadDevil]

Not wrong at all. It's a spectacular battle that calls back to the big battle in RoTJ, while adding a bunch of new stuff.

With the EU pouring into canon lore now like a burst dam, I'm hoping we get any one of the big battles in the Thrawn trilogy, especially the Marg Sabl maneuver (which I know has already been done, but it wasn't Thawns)

Give me the Katana fleet please.