OT: Discusión del Fútbol (EPL, FIFA, LIGA, USMNT, USWNT, MLS, etc) - Parte Cinco

[AlexModvechkin8]

I knew you would love that lol….


Well, Gb didn’t underachieve as he’s measured by team results. If not for two meddlesome parents, he would probably already be resigned.

I’m fine with someone new who is a name AND an upgrade.

I couldn’t imagine previously how GB could come back into the room after this all, but the more player leaders who vocally support the guy to the press, they just increase that likelihood. So far It’s basically a ’STFU and fall in line’ message to Gio…..even if it ends up being a new face.

Agree to disagree on level of achievement. I don’t see how anything he did met expectations for that team on the field. I think drawing both a poor Wales side and the weakest Group 1 side in England and needing Pulisic to sacrifice his body to the soccer gods against Iran just to scrape out of a weak group to make it to the knockout round is underachieving given the talent and resources at his disposal. They played timid, uninspired soccer at the World Cup.

And sure, they made it to the WC but I don’t even see that as an achievement given how generous CONCACAF qualification is. They were embarrassed by Canada during qualification. I mean, even qualification wasn’t assured until the final game of Group Stage… they finished qualification tied for third with Costa Rica and only a 5-1 thrashing of an already-eliminated Panama side the previous game protected them against needing a result against CR (which they lost). Without that GD if they choke against CR (which they did) they’re off to the playoff just to qualify. Pretty underwhelming if you ask me.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

Agree to disagree on level of achievement. I don’t see how anything he did met expectations for that team on the field. I think drawing both a poor Wales side and the weakest Group 1 side in England and needing Pulisic to sacrifice his body to the soccer gods against Iran just to scrape out of a weak group to make it to the knockout round is underachieving given the talent and resources at his disposal. They played timid, uninspired soccer at the World Cup.

And sure, they made it to the WC but I don’t even see that as an achievement given how generous CONCACAF qualification is. They were embarrassed by Canada during qualification. I mean, even qualification wasn’t assured until the final game of Group Stage… they finished qualification tied for third with Costa Rica and only a 5-1 thrashing of an already-eliminated Panama side the previous game protected them against needing a result against CR (which they lost). Without that GD if they choke against CR (which they did) they’re off to the playoff just to qualify. Pretty underwhelming if you ask me.

All that mattered was they qualified. You’re nitpicking.

The team results speak for themselves, that’s how. He took that roster as far as they could go with their current talent. He brought together the room like no other had been able to. If they had more finishing talent, they would have been more dangerous. That’s not on him.

Are his tactics great….no….I disagree with that often with GB. That’s why I’m open to a new credible voice. Henry is NOT that as a coach IMO, at least not yet. But he is a name, and with the US supporters often loving Arsenal….it’s a perfect marketing ploy. I wouldn’t hate it, but not my first choice.

 

[Ajax1995]

Agree to disagree on level of achievement. I don’t see how anything he did met expectations for that team on the field. I think drawing both a poor Wales side and the weakest Group 1 side in England and needing Pulisic to sacrifice his body to the soccer gods against Iran just to scrape out of a weak group to make it to the knockout round is underachieving given the talent and resources at his disposal. They played timid, uninspired soccer at the World Cup.

And sure, they made it to the WC but I don’t even see that as an achievement given how generous CONCACAF qualification is. They were embarrassed by Canada during qualification. I mean, even qualification wasn’t assured until the final game of Group Stage… they finished qualification tied for third with Costa Rica and only a 5-1 thrashing of an already-eliminated Panama side the previous game protected them against needing a result against CR (which they lost). Without that GD if they choke against CR (which they did) they’re off to the playoff just to qualify. Pretty underwhelming if you ask me.

I think your expectations are a bit high honestly.

They won the gold and nations cup on his watch, beating Mexico in both. They got to the World Cup and out of their group and then lost to a reasonably better team in the round of 16. As the US that is your most realistic expectation IMO. Sure maybe fluky results occur elsewhere and you end up getting a Mexico as your round of 16 opponent but way more often than not you’re going to get a team a good amount better than you.

Agree getting to the WC is absolutely the minimum expectation but they did fail to get to the last one. Yes drawing with Wales was a little disappointing, especially how it happened, but drawing with England was absolutely a win as they are definitely better than us and by a lot. If you were expecting us to beat them I don’t know what to tell you.

And while yes our national team doesn’t seem to score set piece goals at the same rate as previous ones seemed to, I’m not sure how you are putting that on the manager unless you believe the people who should be serving the balls are not being allowed to or the guys who would be winning the balls aren’t on the field.

And scoring goals is tough if you don’t have a decent #9, just ask Chelski. It doesn’t matter how good the guy’s right behind him are or how many overlaps you get on the outside not having a focal point up front makes scoring goals very difficult. That’s why those guys are so expensive. If they can convince Balogun to play for the US maybe that helps a reasonable amount there. But right now their options up top are all reasonably subpar IMO.

 

[AlexModvechkin8]

All that mattered was they qualified. You’re nitpicking.

The team results speak for themselves, that’s how. He took that roster as far as they could go with their current talent. He brought together the room like no other had been able to. If they had more finishing talent, they would have been more dangerous. That’s not on him.

Are his tactics great….no….I disagree with that often with GB. That’s why I’m open to a new credible voice. Henry is NOT that as a coach IMO, at least not yet. But he is a name, and with the US supporters often loving Arsenal….it’s a perfect marketing ploy. I wouldn’t hate it, but not my first choice.

Nitpicking? I guess it’s all binary then. Qualified = everything was good and the results speak for themselves. Who gives a shit about other factors like lineup choices, player development, talent level compared to other cycles, etc, right? Seems like a reasonable stance.

You are right, the team results speak for themselves, and they weren’t good. Adequate, at best. Getting blown out by Canada in a home and away, tying with Costa Rica for third in qualifying and advancing to the World Cup on goal differential and scoring two goals in group play is objectively and statistically bad. There’s no argument to the contrary. Give me an argument otherwise other than, “they qualified and it’s the team’s fault Gregg didn’t take them further.” And he chose the finishing talent. He chose to bring in Ferreira. He chose to leave Pefok, Pepi, and Tillman at home. He chose to start Ferreira against the Netherlands.

He literally did what every other coach has done before him and he did it with better talent. That’s nothing to be celebrated. Jurgen Klinsmann’s team had a better run in 2014. They were a Wondolowski shank on a tap in away from beating a Belgian team much better than the one who toyed with the US this year. GB didn’t break any barriers. He didn’t advance them any further than they’ve already been. He managed to the status quo. And then he was the driving force in the biggest shitshow US Soccer has seen in a while. The Reynas are garbage people and should be banned from US Soccer for life but if Gregg doesn’t get on stage and talk shit about Gio (for no reason) then none of this happens in the first place.

Thank Gregg for getting them back on track and move on.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

Nitpicking? I guess it’s all binary then. Qualified = everything was good and the results speak for themselves. Who gives a shit about other factors like lineup choices, player development, talent level compared to other cycles, etc, right? Seems like a reasonable stance.

You are right, the team results speak for themselves, and they weren’t good. Adequate, at best. Getting blown out by Canada in a home and away, tying with Costa Rica for third in qualifying and advancing to the World Cup on goal differential and scoring two goals in group play is objectively and statistically bad. There’s no argument to the contrary. Give me an argument otherwise other than, “they qualified and it’s the team’s fault Gregg didn’t take them further.” And he chose the finishing talent. He chose to bring in Ferreira. He chose to leave Pefok, Pepi, and Tillman at home. He chose to start Ferreira against the Netherlands.

He literally did what every other coach has done before him and he did it with better talent. That’s nothing to be celebrated. Jurgen Klinsmann’s team had a better run in 2014. They were a Wondolowski shank on a tap in away from beating a Belgian team much better than the one who toyed with the US this year. GB didn’t break any barriers. He didn’t advance them any further than they’ve already been. He managed to the status quo. And then he was the driving force in the biggest shitshow US Soccer has seen in a while. The Reynas are garbage people and should be banned from US Soccer for life but if Gregg doesn’t get on stage and talk shit about Gio (for no reason) then none of this happens in the first place.

Thank Gregg for getting them back on track and move on.

There are no points for qualification flair. It’s did you qualify or not IMO. I already mentioned tactics, which includes selections, etc for me….we‘re not always going to understand coaches decisions. it is what it is….

The team results that matter are that yes/no qualifying question, and how they did in the World Cup. They advanced….it was a good run and they ran into a better team.

so yeah….hire me an upgrade, or bring GB back and I’m fine…..

 

[AlexModvechkin8]

There are no points for qualification flair. It’s did you qualify or not IMO. I already mentioned tactics, which includes selections, etc for me….we‘re not always going to understand coaches decisions. it is what it is….

The team results that matter are that yes/no qualifying question, and how they did in the World Cup. They advanced….it was a good run and they ran into a better team.

so yeah….hire me an upgrade, or bring GB back and I’m fine…..

Maybe there aren’t points for flair but there are sure trends you can look out for. I mean, they lost to Canada for the first time in three decades. Maybe you don’t get points for flair but they were blown out twice by a team that went 0-3-0 for 0 points in the World Cup. The team they finished third in qualifying with, Costa Rica, finished last in their group as well.

They struggled to create offense during qualifying — carried over to the World Cup. They made poor roster and lineup choices and prioritized MLS try-hards over guys who were playing better in better leagues — carried over the World Cup. They struggled to break down teams who defend with a low block — carried over to the World Cup. They looked overmatched and underprepared in final qualifiers against Saudi Arabia and Japan — carried over to the World Cup. That has to count for something and can’t just be swept under a broad, “well, they qualified” golden pass. The way they got results (or didn’t) matters.

 

[AlexModvechkin8]

Speaking of the World Cup, decided to go back and watch the highlights from Argentina/France and man, what a game that was. Unbelievable.

 

[Ajax1995]

The way they got results (or didn’t) matters.

For national team major tournament qualifying and tournament play I disagree. It is all about qualifying and then getting acceptable results in the tournament. How you qualify and how you get the results in the tournament itself don’t matter, especially for a non upper crust team.

I 100% agree with you concerning some questions around some of the players who were chosen to go and those not chosen though.

Honestly given the fairly limited time national team managers get with their teams and expected changes in available personnel because of injuries I don’t expect them to really improve their team’s play all that much overall.

The exception to this NORMALLY is the extended amount of time they get before a major tournament where they have a settled side that gets to train together for almost a month and play a few games. Because of the idiotic decision to have the tournament in Qatar to begin with and then the obvious need to move the dates to the middle of the club season they didn’t get nearly the same amount of time together.

I’m certainly not married to the idea he needs to be back. I just don’t see an obvious better option who wants the job. Would I be intrigued by Henry? Absolutely. But in no way would I be expecting him to be any better and I definitely see a reasonable risk of him being decently worse. Seeing his reaction to the Central American cow pastures we often have to play on in qualifying would certainly be entertaining.

 

[g00n]

England beat Italy in Italy for first time since 1961

 

[Ajax1995]

Nagelsmann gets the axe, Tuchel to replace him. So far a pretty entertaining international break.

 

[g00n]

Chelsea set to terminate Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang's contract: report

Chelsea striker Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang will see his contract torn up, just a year after returning to London

sports.yahoo.com

And there it is.

Probably out of the EPL after this. Crazy fall.

Meanwhile Arsenal are top of the table. Looks like Arteta made the right call.

 

[AlexModvechkin8]

Chelsea set to terminate Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang's contract: report

Chelsea striker Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang will see his contract torn up, just a year after returning to London

sports.yahoo.com

And there it is.

Probably out of the EPL after this. Crazy fall.

Meanwhile Arsenal are top of the table. Looks like Arteta made the right call.

Add him to the list of malcontents who thought they were above the team and then realized the grass wasn’t greener. The ego can be a damaging thing.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

At least he was a quiet malcontent for us….

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

An ode to Mesut Özil, the frictionless footballer not designed for the age of rage — Guardian US

At Arsenal he almost became the symbol of the death of the Wenger era, but Özil’s problem was that football changed around him

apple.news

Definitely my favorite player on that 2014 WC winner.

‘She f***ed everyone at Inter’ - What Mourinho 'told Ozil' after he fell for ex — The Sun

JOSE MOURINHO reportedly taunted Mesut Ozil at Real Madrid by making jokes about his ex-girlfriend.

apple.news

lol…Jose…

 

[AlexModvechkin8]

An ode to Mesut Özil, the frictionless footballer not designed for the age of rage — Guardian US

At Arsenal he almost became the symbol of the death of the Wenger era, but Özil’s problem was that football changed around him

apple.news

Definitely my favorite player on that 2014 WC winner.

‘She f***ed everyone at Inter’ - What Mourinho 'told Ozil' after he fell for ex — The Sun

JOSE MOURINHO reportedly taunted Mesut Ozil at Real Madrid by making jokes about his ex-girlfriend.

apple.news

lol…Jose…

Jose is a savage and I’m here for it.

 

[AlexModvechkin8]

US waxing Grenada away 6-1. Last time they played Grenada they played Grenada they were only up 1-0 at the half at home but that was under Gregg so no surprise they struggled to score

Make that 7-1. Recent dual nat commit and El Tri defector Alejandro Zendejas just scored. Hopefully it’s a sign and we get more good dual national news this international window with Balogun.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

US waxing Grenada away 6-1. Last time they played Grenada they played Grenada they were only up 1-0 at the half at home but that was under Gregg so no surprise they struggled to score

Make that 7-1. Recent dual nat commit and El Tri defector Alejandro Zendejas just scored. Hopefully it’s a sign and we get more good dual national news this international window with Balogun.

Someone mentioned playing on a cow pasture earlier…this looks like a cow pasture in a prison….

 

[AlexModvechkin8]

@g00n (or anyone)…..know anyone using this?

Speed Solutions

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www.thestacksystem.com

Considering it. Starting a personal multi-year golf training plan/journey, culminating in a dream trip to the UK for a buddy‘s 50th in 2025. I joined a local place here that gives me unlimited indoor time in Trackman bays…..loving it so far, but just trying to get my golf muscles back right now.

Wrong thread?

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

Conte out…

 

[notDkristich]

Watching USMNT vs El Salvador. Thoughts...

Zendejas does not belong. And its not even close.
Organized team press is non-existent.

What you got?

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

Watching USMNT vs El Salvador. Thoughts...

Zendejas does not belong. And its not even close.
Organized team press is non-existent.

What you got?

Meh so far…

 

[AlexModvechkin8]

What is it about Chelsea where anyone who joins the club instantly loses all of their offensive talent??

Meanwhile, Trossard looks real good for the Gunners.

 

[g00n]

What is it about Chelsea where anyone who joins the club instantly loses all of their offensive talent??

Meanwhile, Trossard looks real good for the Gunners.

That whole team is in a funk this year, it seems. Too much turmoil.

Trossard is a technician like Odegaard. Very dangerous to have those two on the pitch at the same time.

Martinelli has speed and natural talent but needs more awareness and vision...runs himself out of bounds too much. I'm much more confident of scoring opportunities when Trossard is on the left side instead.

I dogged Partey a lot but he's just about found the form that led him to be such a coveted target with Atletico.

That said, Arsenal are in for a challenge down the stretch. MC looked in top form even without Haaland today.

 

[g00n]

Potter sacked by Chelsea after seven months

Graham Potter is out as Chelsea following a disappointing tenure that has seen the club slip to 11th place in the Premier League.

www.espn.com

Leicester part ways with their skipper on the same day. I think that's 12 or 13 managerial changes so far this season?

 

[Ajax1995]

Potter sacked by Chelsea after seven months

Graham Potter is out as Chelsea following a disappointing tenure that has seen the club slip to 11th place in the Premier League.

www.espn.com

Leicester part ways with their skipper on the same day. I think that's 12 or 13 managerial changes so far this season?

Yep my count is 13, a couple have done it twice this season. More teams have changed thier manager than haven’t, which is pretty crazy.